Flipped car with melted door and unburned tires

[spooked911]

Also has bizarrely bent axles.

The unburned tires would rule out conventional fire.

Anyone care to explain what happened here that is consistent with the official WTC collapse story?

via
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1439692165433909308#

[LARED]

1. The first thing you need to do is to tell everyone

how you figured out the door is melted.

[spooked911]

4. you guys, I swear--

you're amazing.

Okay, forget the door. Explain the rest of the scene. Thanks.

[LARED]

10. What is there to explain?

Two massive steel 1400' towers collapsed. A car flipped over and badly damaged in the general vicinity does not need much in the way of explaining.

Perhaps a far better thing for you to do would be to explain why you find a NEED for there to be an explanation.

[zappaman]

2. door is melted?

how do you know this?
could be battered.
do you have eyewitness testimony that it is indeed melted?

[SDuderstadt]

3. This is just another...

fucking stupid assertion from Spooked without any evidence whatsoever and more proof of his logic-free "reasoning" processes.

[spooked911]

6. really?

how would you describe this scene and what do you think caused it?

Thanks.

[SDuderstadt]

7. Falling on its roof, dude...

beyond that, I really don't care.

[jberryhill]

15. Oh really? Then explain this!

Look at this car:



Clearly the exotic weapon caused this car to jump several feet up off of the ground and into the jaws of a diesel shovel. To the left we see a car that has also levitated into the bed of a truck.

There is no way these cars could have done these things without a nuclear weapon inducing magnetic forces to get these cars into these positions.

[spooked911]

5. does it really look "battered"?

battered by what?

[SDuderstadt]

8. At least as much as it looks...

"melted", dude.

[jberryhill]

13. Battered by any of several things

..including falling debris and whatever was used to roll it over to get that debris off before using perhaps a fork lift truck to dump it at that location.

This is similar to the Judy Wood collection of damaged cars, which her damaged brain does not realize were moved from the cleanup site and placed elsewhere.

So, let's say you had a car with a big chunk of concrete that had smashed the front end and snapped the axle among other suspension components. Let's also say you had a forklift and it was your job to remove cars and place them out of the cleanup area as work proceeded.

1. What might you do to remove the chunk of debris from the front end ot the car?

2. What way will the wheels point if still each attached to half an axle?

I would sincerely appreciate your thoughts on those questions.

As far as this being taken during cleanup, there is no question. The video shows a dump truck passing by, and we can hear the backup beeper of other equipment, so we know the video clip was taken some time after 9/11.

[spooked911]

16. Yes, it's possible the car was moved there by a forklift

though this upside down car seems to be in situ:


But what really gets me in the original pic is the bizarre way the axles are bent and the odd melted character of the door. I would think the door would break off if it got severely bent like that-- particularly if the car was moved.

[jberryhill]

17. No, that car is not in situ either

Which should be obvious by the fact that it is sitting on top of rubble, and there is a bunch of rubble piled behind it, while the workers are walking down a road which appears to have been cleared.

The door in the car in the OP does not look "melted" in the least to me. It looks bent. Whether you think it is possible for a door to be bent without breaking at the hinges says more about you than it says about the door of that car. A statement of what "I think" is not a statement of objective fact.

So, are we really now going to go through every picture you can find of a car, at some unknown point in time after 9/11 and play "How did THIS car get that way?"

Really?

[Codeine]

19. It's atop a pile of bricks, dude.

Obviously it was shoved out of the way for rescue and fire vehicles.

[jberryhill]

21. You are overlooking the obvious

That's because the bricks and concrete, which are not magnetic, fell onto the street while the car was being suspended and flipped over by the intense magnetic field caused by the intergalactic micro-nuke. Then, the car fell on top of the other rubble.

Don't you know how these things normally function?

[spooked911]

39. shoved out of the way?

and flipped over perfectly? what about the truck behind it? That was shoved too, but happened to land perfectly on its wheels?

[SDuderstadt]

40. Some men see things as they are and ask, "why?"...

Spooked sees things that never were and asks, "isn't that proof of mini-nukes?".

[spooked911]

49. yeah, funny

but I am not the one who brought up mini-nukes in this thread-- you did. In fact, I was simply asking "why?"

[SDuderstadt]

51. Really, dude?

Read posts # 9 and 14...then try to figure out what chronological order means before you start making stupid allegations, unless you now claim 40<9 or 14.

Having said that, we may have made somewhat of a breakthrough here. Are you now disavowing your goofy mini-nukes bullshit?

[jberryhill]

20. "the axles are bent"

Look at a lot of upside down cars, do you, spooked?



Look at those rear tires. Pushed up out of the wheel wells. Almost as if they were supported by some sort of spring mechanism which is normally compressed to some extent when the the car is upright. Who would possibly put a spring mechanism in the suspension of a car that would normally be in compression when the car is upright, yet push the wheels up and in when the car is upside down?

It's a freaking mystery, I tells ya...







What on earth could be pushing those wheels up? Or inward if other components of the suspension are broken.

I just can't figure it out.

[spooked911]

41. only the first pic shows anything like the wheels in the OP

and even then not so much. I'm not claiming such damage is impossible without some exotic weaponry, I'm just not clear what caused it. Between the floppy door and the upwards bent wheels and the fact that the car is flipped perfectly on the side of the street, it's a bizarre scene. I'm simply not convinced that this is all consistent with the official collapse story.

[jberryhill]

43. Flipped "perfectly"

As if it should be balanced on its side, instead of one side up or the other.

The suspension of a car pushes the rear wheels down - ie the springs are in compression. When a car is upside down, that pushes the wheels up. When other components of the suspension and axle are shot, the wheels toe in. In fact, it would be useful for you to understand the term "toe in" in the context of wheel alignment and suspension.

So, tell us Spooked, how do you think the car got there in that condition?

[spooked911]

50. I don't know how it got like that

that's why I posted it here. I understand what you're saying and I appreciate your comments.

I still think it is an odd scene but your ideas have helped.

[SDuderstadt]

44. Jesus fucking christ, Spooked...

what is it not "consistent" with? If it was or wasn't,how the fuck would you know? Your "forensic" skills are laughable, dude.

Don't you think you you've carried on this charade as far as you possibly can? In all your yammering, you have yet to present a single thing that gives rational people a reason to take your blathering seriously.

Again I ask...Is there ANY conspiracy theory so goofy that even YOU won't embrace it? It's too late for protectanddefend, but you can still save yourself, dude.

[Make7]

9. How would a 'mini-nuke' flip a car over, bend the axles, melt the door, but not burn the tires?

Perplexing....

[jberryhill]

14. That's what mini-nukes do

The case is solved!

[defendandprotect]

11. Only with other than the official myth . . .

Maybe microwave weapon?

[zappaman]

18. hahahahahaha...microwave weapon?

Sure, why not speculate on the most outlandish, made-up reason you can think of instead of the logical, simple explanation.
Microwave weapon? Really?
HAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[snooper2]

59. yo DP, you never answered

what do you do for a living again?

[zappaman]

60. I am not at liberty to say

what I do for a living.
but I can tell you that I am also not at liberty to say if I am actually from this planet originally if that helps...
gt_(rs2)33:11

[jberryhill]

12. "what happened here"

Spooked, would you care to explain when you think that video was taken?

In that section of that truly bizare video, we see a shot of a large dump truck, people walking around in masks, and we can hear the backup "beeper" of other heavy equipment.

So, clearly the video was shot after 9/11 and during cleanup operations.

I suppose you expect that this car is sitting in-situ and in some sort of undisturbed condition, rather than having been dumped there after having been extricated from somewhere else. Would I be correct in assuming that to be basic to whatever hypothesis you have about the condition shown in this absolutely context-free video clip?

Here is a clue for you:

[whatchamacallit]

22. Desperation

I don't know what the condition of the vehicle in the video adds to the efficacy of the OP, but your use of car in a lifting grapple as an explanation is farcical. Yeah man, someone must have picked it up (presumably deforming it in the process), and then gingerly placed it back down on the street upside down. Talk about wild flights of fancy... :eyes:

[zappaman]

23. "gingerly"?

What makes you say that?
Did you see it put down "gingerly"?

[whatchamacallit]

24. Do you know it was picked up and put down

and in what manner? Why are we having this conversation? (lol)

[jberryhill]

25. Yes, I do

Because I find it to be highly unlikely it was parked that way by a driver, and the video clip was clearly made during cleanup operations in which damaged cars were recovered, moved out the way, and then hauled off for salvage.

You see the chap in the helmet in the picture of the OP?

Do you notice how his outfit matches these guys:



My goodness, the magic weapon stacked those cars on a truck!

(edit - image moved because it had a weird character at the original site:

http://stevehagis.com/gallry02.htm

[whatchamacallit]

26. So you're admitting

you don't know shit about what happened there. Cool, glad we cleared that up.

[jberryhill]

27. Look at the other picture, dude

You posted while I was editing.

I do know that cars were moved, collected, placed on flatbeds and taken away.

[whatchamacallit]

28. Ok, I see the picture now

Though I believe it's still a stretch to attribute the peculiar condition of those cars to the device that stacked them on the truck, I concede your theory is not totally without merit.

[SDuderstadt]

29. How do you know the cars weren't already damaged before...

being stacked on the flatbed, dude?

Duh.

[whatchamacallit]

30. It's obvious they were

but the particular car in question (in the video) is an anomaly unless you buy Jberry's tale. Double Duh.

[jberryhill]

31. Okay.... how do YOU think the car got that way?

[whatchamacallit]

32. I don't know

Your assumption maybe correct, but like so many things on both sides of the issue, it's just a hunch.

[zappaman]

33. It's more than a hunch

It is a conclusion based upon the available evidence.
A hunch is saying something like "I wonder how it got there like that? I have an idea that it is part of the 9/11 lies."

[Make7]

34. I think a better example of a hunch might be:

"The don't think the state of this car is consistent with the official WTC collapse story, therefore the official WTC collapse story is a lie.

I realize that the state of this car clearly is not consistent with my own WTC collapse theory, but since it is not important to my theory the car is irrelevant as evidence. But it still proves the official WTC collapse story is a lie."
 

[SDuderstadt]

36. Let me make sure I get this straight...

you don't know how the car got that way, but you know it's an "anomaly"??

Duh.

[SDuderstadt]

35. How, specifically, is it an "anomaly"?

I used to believe you suffered merely from a "crippled epistemology". Lately, I've begun to wonder if it hasn't been amputated, dude.

[jberryhill]

38. How's this for an "anomaly"?

Wait wait... don't tell me. They weren't stacked there. They were mating!

[terrafirma]

47. Well, of course!

You don't think those tiny little "smart cars" are delivered to your driveway by a stork, do you?

Auto-porn.


.... I love it.

[Twist_U_Up]

42. You seem determined to start a...

fight, Dudeman. Having another bad day?

[SDuderstadt]

45. Not now that you're here for us to laugh at...

TuuTuu.

[Twist_U_Up]

53. The irony is Im laughing at you and your "outrage".

lol
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x287545#287699

[SDuderstadt]

54. The irony is you think anyone cares what...

you think, dude.

Thanks for being the "designated pinata" nonetheless.

[Make7]

46. Selective outrage much? ( n/t )

[SDuderstadt]

48. It's more than selective outrage....

it's actually unintended irony.

[Twist_U_Up]

52. lotta outrage goin on then......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x287545#287699

lol

[SDuderstadt]

55. Why, yes, dude...

I often ask people if they're having a bad day day when I'm "outraged", dude. Otherwise, why, I just might burst, I tell ya!

[Make7]

56. Could you tell everyone what the edit was that 'whatchamacallit' made to his/her post...

... that was in response to? Based on the time of edit and the time of the response, it would appear that the reply was to the unedited version.

So would you care to give the conversation the proper context by telling all of us what was edited out of whatchamacallit's post?
 

[jberryhill]

37. The device that stacked them on the truck

Hmmm... let's consider the types of devices they used to stack cars on trucks:



I can't imagine how that would damage the side of a car.

I park mine that way all of the time.

Here's another vehicle being "gingerly lifted" at the wtc site:

[blavatsky3]

57. What might have happened

Independent rear wheel suspension so nothing bent.

OPENED FRONT DOOR LOOKS BENT OUT OF SHAPE THOUGH might be tell tale of an explosion
Car flipped upside down from a possible nearby explosion .
Bush said they had intel the alleged terrorists used explosives but NIST said they refused to test for explosives as explosives were not used.
But most eyewitness testimony mentions multiple explosions.

STRANGE STRANGE STRANGE

[zappaman]

58. great words

"might"(twice), "possible", "most".
here's a good word...EVIDENCE