organized crime may have profited from 9 11?

[deconstruct911]

9 11 Aftermath Building 6 & 7, Federal Offices, Government Agencies 10 3 2001 ABC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgACWoL7Ks&playnext_from=TL&videos=L8DQ5aG42rs


"Ground zero is filled with guns, drugs, and secrets"

"If that evidence is not found in tact many of those criminal cases may have to be dismissed"
Howard Leadbetter:
FBI
“There has been very little that has been identifiable that has been pulled out”

[zappaman]

1. So the mob took down the towers?

Are you sure it wasn't killer sheep?

[deconstruct911]

2. Your incompetence never ceases to amaze....

try and read the title again.....

[zappaman]

3. I read the title

Organized crime may have profited from 9/11?
no evidence of course.
so what did organized crime have to do with making 9/11 happen so they could profit?
any evidence of any of the crap you spew here would suffice.

[deconstruct911]

5. what happened in the investigations.

Any links would be appreciated. If you don’t have any and are absolutely no use to the question then why bother posting?

[deconstruct911]

6. btw, Bin Laden was a heroin kingpin, So yea the "mob" did it.

"Drug money funds terrorism"

[KDLarsen]

7. rofl

.. bin ladin as a heroin kingpin? I'd ask for evidence, but I doubt any could be provided.

[deconstruct911]

8. History Commons has several available

You do know one of his financial backers had a 20% stake in BCCI a CONVICTED drug money bank as seen by the Kerry commission???

I've seen footage of him in the poppy crops......(American drug war the last white hope) HMMMMM...... No just a coincidence that he is the top guy in a narco terror state.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?financing_of_al-qaeda:_a_more_detailed_look=drugs&timeline=complete_911_timeline

[KDLarsen]

9. That's stretching it a lot...

I assume you're talking about Khalid bin Mahfouz, whose position as "financial backer" was limited to supplying funds during the 80's, when it was still relatively kosher to do so.

And any reliable sources making bin Ladin a "heroin kingpin" would be much appreciated.

[greyl]

4. Read this: "David Ray Griffin definitely did profit from 9/11".

[jberryhill]

10. Yep - follow the money

David Ray Griffin has made quite a bit of money from 9/11.

[deconstruct911]

11. Goes to show people think 9 11 is a lie

I bet NIST made a lot from 9 11. Or all these high character people do their research for free?? How credible is information from people not getting paid to do it?

[SDuderstadt]

12. Dude....

NIST is a government agency. Duh.

[deconstruct911]

13. Lovely

[zappaman]

14. "Goes to show people think 9 11 is a lie"

Only people who have some kind of faulty wiring in their brain.
Conspiracy theorists are seeking to prove something they want to believe. Instead of scientifically following a stream of facts to a rational conclusion they collect bits and pieces and oddments, not to synthesize a robust alternative explanation, but more to crap on an official version or more cohesive theories. The fact that their interpretation of events, evidence, and testimony leads to more and more dubious explanations for the data, and impossible situations is unimportant.
But I guess you and the "people" have figured something out that others are just too clueless to think, right?
Please stop wasting your time with endless posts which prove nothing.

[deconstruct911]

15. Perhaps

You are such an expert on analyzing this because you are talking about your own research. You always focus on ridiculous name calling instead of undeniable facts. Insider trading, core blown out 7 floors below impact, column 20 -wtc7. Where are the rational explanations? Newsletters? Jim on the phone is a liar? I apologize I won't ignore those things and ridicule others who bring it up….

[Name removed]

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[k-robjoe]

17. I want to hear him out

So maybe you could take out all your frustration and anger somewhere else. :)

[SDuderstadt]

18. Bullshit is bullshit, dude...

your desire to "hear him out" doesn't trump our right to call him on his bullshit. Your critical thinking skills are no better than his.

[k-robjoe]

19. Go on, let it all out...

[deconstruct911]

22. At least here me out

Zappaman bases his research on “cohesive theories”! However I only collect bits and pieces and oddments, not to synthesize a robust alternative explanation, but more to crap on an official version or more cohesive theories, such as this:

"A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10."

Of course the stock was destine to drop under such market conditions, so the brokerage firm to purchase the united Airline “puts” does not matter. Also alarming is the fact that over a month after 9 11 the united put options were still unclaimed, even though the stock hit rock bottom when the markets reopened Sept 17

“note they don't give the name of the company in Pirmasens, Germany. What is on these recovered hard drives? No one has said so far, but some of the data pertains to stock options trading in which 'unknown speculators' bet heavily that the stock prices of the U.S. airlines would sharply fall in September 2001. SEC Chairman at that time, Harvey Pitt, said of these mysterious options traders, "We will find them, wherevery they are." But did the SEC, FBI, etc...ever find them? They never said.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-OClX54EFQ

Based on a “cohesive theory” it is odd they thought a good time to make these transactions was while the towers burned right? Because anyone who understands the markets makes those kind of trades while the WORLD TRADE CENTERS are about to collapse right?

[deconstruct911]

26. hear**

[Ohio Joe]

20. "profit" is incorrect

It would be better to say they may have gotten away with crimes because of 9/11. Their profit came from their crimes, not 9/11. In addition, what is the insinuation you are trying to get across with this tid bit of information? Organized crime was behind 9/11? The feds did it to get organized crime off? Have you actually researched to see if anyone did indeed get off? I'm not getting what point you are trying to make, care to elaborate?

[deconstruct911]

21. I just mentioned what ABC reported.....

And no one has offered ANY information except RIDICULE about such a simple question.... So did they "get away"? How many people? How many cases?

Does this have anything to do with inside job? NO absolutely not. How ignorant you and your buddies are!

[Ohio Joe]

23. Not ridicule

An inability to understand what you are getting at due to a lack of information on your part. Perhaps if you explained yourself better people would understand.

So you have not done any research... you just posted it here with no explanation, wanted people to figure out what you wanted and then expect people here to do it for you... for such a simple question, I'll pass, you can do your own work.

[deconstruct911]

25. I guess you didn’t see the? mark in the title.....

Usually if there is a question mark people anticipate you will provide links/information about the topic. In this case not so much.

[Ohio Joe]

27. Not in this forum

People post things all the time without anything to back it up, I find it endlessly fascinating what people will believe when there is not only zero proof for the claim but mountains of proof to the contrary. Honestly though, your outrage at your question being ignored when you admit it really has nothing to do with the forum topic and you also admit you have done no research into it gets no sympathy from me.

[deconstruct911]

28. But it has everything to do with 911.....

The forum is 9 11. The ABC report had to do with 911.

[Ohio Joe]

29. So you do think the mob was behind 9/11?

or are you now just going to post random things about 9/11 that have nothing to do with the conspiracies?

[deconstruct911]

30. YES

it's a simple question regarding 9 11. Probably the first one I have asked not to do with any conspiracy....

In fact the report was probably to sidetrack people from some of the real frauds in the buildings like what was discussed about the IPO case, Enron, WorldCom, insider trading etc…..

[Ohio Joe]

31. So....

Your trying to distract people with an old distraction that did not work the first time? Seriously though, no one cares but you, why are you not researching this yourself?

[deconstruct911]

32. I did

I can't find anything

[zappaman]

24. yes, just keep posting articles with no explanations

really puts it all together...wait..puts what together?

[deconstruct911]

33. WTC 6 home to El Dorado Task force

In the midst of all this, Building 6 was destroyed by explosions from within. Building 6 was home to the U.S. Customs agency and the El Dorado Task force, which was responsible for coordinating all major money-laundering investigations in the U.S. In the immediate aftermath of September 11, these groups would be redirected to investigate terrorist financing.

[SDuderstadt]

34. "building # 6 was destroyed by explosions from within"

you don't have a shred of evidence of any of this. It's just more of your goofy bullshit, dude.

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[SDuderstadt]

36. If there were "multiple witnesses" to the "demolition"...

of these buildings, why don't you name a couple? Hint:because you are conflating their actual statements into conclusions they didn't draw, dude.

Tou might want to read the DU rules, dude. Otherwise, as I have said before, enjoy your short stay.

[zappaman]

37. why was the message deleted?

did he name witnesses?

[SDuderstadt]

39. Of course not...

he accused me of lying.

[deconstruct911]

38. 19 rag tags

typical CT bs.Keep digging.

[SDuderstadt]

40. I don't know of many "rag tags" who have commercial pilot's licenses, dude.

Of course, the reality is Atta and the others were perfectly capable of doing what they did. Let us know when you find the smoking gun that shows otherwise, dude. Take your time. After all, it's only been nearly nine years and you still have dick for evidence.

[deconstruct911]

41. When you stop saying "you still have dick for evidence"+

"enjoy your short stay"

People might consider taking you seriously.

Keep digging.

[zappaman]

42. how about this?

Could you please provide some evidence?
By the way, isn't it time you started another nonsensical thread with the same stuff you keep posting over and over again.
At least Spooked has some entertainment value...

[deconstruct911]

44. the more it's posted the less it's debunked

every time I mention Convar is another time you fail to debunk the evidence federal agencies ignore. Hmm

Why do you ask for links and names? They clearly don't mean anything to you. Barry Jennings, Michael Hess, william Rodrigues, Richard Andrew Grove, the list goes on. I only post links from now on to people who care. Give me ONE solid reason I should waste a second of my time to retrieve a solid link to someone who ignores it.
How about this: I will personally ask DU to remove my account IF you provide a single solid bit of evidence that Convar did NOT work on recovered hard drives and disks from WTC and they did not find any insider trading. This is your chance…..Don't mess it up.

[zappaman]

45. There is ZERO evidence that Convar found anything

Where is the evidence that they did?
Do you really think that there were guys involved in insider trading in the very building that was going to get hit? They must have been quite stupid.
Not to mention, there would be evidence elsewhere of this trading...not just in the computers where they did it. Destroying these computers would not wipe out the evidence.
You do understand that, don't you?
Or do you just believe everything you see in fact-free "documentaries"?
Again, you can't provide evidence for anything, which isn't surprising.
Please go away. You are embarrassing to DU and to yourself.

[deconstruct911]

46. you messed it up

CNN reports from IDG:

But because the facilities of many financial companies processing the transactions were housed in New York's World Trade Center, destroyed in the blasts, it has until now been impossible to verify that suspicion.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/industry/12/20/wtc.harddrives.idg/

And so it goes on. Show me a link to this ZERO theory of yours.

[zappaman]

47. Please post the part of the article

that says they found evidence.
That link you provided shows ZERO evidence of anything being found.
Did you even read it?

[deconstruct911]

48. So now that we established

one aspect, why don’t you go and look at my other posts which you have replied to dozens of times, and actually read the thread. That’s simply a respected news source covering the story in the early days. If you read my threads there is confirmation that they confirmed reports of insider trading. The Dutch research programme Zembla talked to the Convar Company. Do you dare find out what was discovered.....
Now do you have a single link or would it have already been posted? Shocking!

[SDuderstadt]

49. If people don't take me seriously...

why is it you who's getting all the flak?

Hint: it's because it's not me who's posting all the goofy, unproven bullshit.

And, oh by the way, you STILL have dick for evidence, dude. If you had any actual evidence for your goofy claims, people wouldn't dismiss you out of hand so quickly. Just a thought.

[Make7]

43. I believe the proper derogatory term is 'raghead'.

 
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raghead
 

[mrarundale]

50. You mean organized crime like....

AIG/Goldman Sachs/NYC Real Estate Developers/ Wall Street/Halliburton/Blackwater (whatever it is called now) & The World Bank???? (I could go on ...)

Hell yes, they are profitting!

[deconstruct911]

51. haha

Yea I was thinking it was in the interest of the "good guys" to destroy everything in wtc 6! Something to do with the complicity in these drug cases/ money laundering cases.