Molten metal a ground zero...

[wildbilln864]

Here's a new video posted yesterday.
Is it indeed confirmation of molten steel?

[Twist_U_Up]

1. and some folks here at du support this liar.......

things that make ya go hmmmmm

[Make7]

3. People here at DU support Jeffrey Hill? ( n/t )

[Twist_U_Up]

11. switching the subject make?

[SDuderstadt]

15. No, dude....

you're just displaying your normal reading comprehension problems.

[Make7]

23. Perhaps you should be more specific in the future.

I thought the liar you were referring to was the person that posted the video on YouTube.
 

[Twist_U_Up]

25. i hope your a little smarter than that

wont count on it though

[Make7]

26. If you think Mr. Hill is a credible source, perhaps your intelligence should be questioned. n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

27. If you think john gross is not a LIAR, perhaps your not very smart

[SDuderstadt]

28. Dude...

we've been through this before...can you point to any lie by Gross? You're here implying people are stupid because they are actually smart enough to recognize that "molten metal" does not automatically equal "molten steel". In other words, you're decrying someone as unintelligent, when the real issue is your lack of cognitive ability.

It's all too comical.

[Make7]

29. How could anyone not be convinced by your unsupported assertions?

Given your track record, it seems prudent to reserve judgment until someone can offer compelling evidence for, or against, what you are claiming. Perhaps that someone could even be you.
 
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[shure]

39. Make7

Make7,

I have never asked anyone to believe anything I say, but people should pay attention to what the people I talk to say!

[Make7]

40. I think your work speaks for itself.

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OIwQCnPO4k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKswGf7h5DY
 

[deconstruct911]

2. Don’t forget how much water they were pouring on the area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upk767RMYsM&playnext_from=TL&videos=N_ebRpGlOBQ

[LARED]

4. Molten metal? Molten steel? Please make up your mind nt

[wildbilln864]

5. molten steel....

is a molten metal! duh! :crazy:

[LARED]

6. But molten metal may not be molten steel

Yet seemingly you know this but purposefully conflate the two. It is not even the least bit interesting to have found molten metal in the fires. Aluminum melts well below temperatures in an office fire.

[deconstruct911]

7. True

But what kind of insurance company pays out TWICE the agreed upon maximum payout WITHOUT an investigation into this "molten metal"/"molten aluminum”, when there are multiple indications that it could be molten steel etc.

Perhaps because the big insurance companies made a killing on 9/11 also (in the long run).....

[greyl]

8. Hey look, you got one right.

Then you fouled it up by trying to the change the subject again.

[LARED]

10. How do you know the insurance company did not

investigate this claim?

Also enlighten me on how insurance companies make a killing in the long run on 9/11?

[deconstruct911]

13. Investigate this claim?

Did you watch the video on the topic? Can you provide links that they investigated the composition of the molten materials at ground zero?
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Still, just days after September 11, Greenberg and top MMC execs met to figure out how to profit from the disaster. They formed a subsidiary -- Axis Specialty Ltd. -- to sell insurance to corporate customers at three or four times the rates before September 11. MMC says that it was merely "meeting market demands."

For some industry players the move recalled what Greenberg did in 1992 after Hurricane Andrew slammed into South Florida and wiped out some $15 billion worth of property. Jeff, who was working for dad at AIG, sent out an internal memo stating: "This is an opportunity to get price increases now."

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_44/b3906001_mz001.htm

[SDuderstadt]

14. Can you provide links that they investigated the composition of the molten materials at ground zero"

Dude...the building was an aluminm clad building. Since aluminum melts at temperatures lower than the fires produced, I have a hard time understanding why you think this means something.

[deconstruct911]

16. It was also a 47 steel column core building

http://www.picassodreams.com/.a/6a00d83455ad0369e201053566d3df970b-800wi

Any links it was investigated what the composition of the molten was?

[SDuderstadt]

17. Dude....

have you ever studied Logic????

When we know what the recorded temperatures were and we know what the melting point of steel is, we can infer it wasn't steel. You're developing your conclusion first (9/11 was an inside job), then stretching to make mundane things appear to be proof of your goofy hypothesis. If the situation was so suspicious, it would be reasonable to assume that someone on the scene WOULD have conducted testing. As it stands,only people who share your delusion care about shit like this.

[deconstruct911]

18. Recorded temperatures

After huge amounts of water had been poured for weeks on the site….

Any links they investigated the composition of the molten?

[Ohio Joe]

20. Incorrect

"Tinsley says there are several reasons for the longevity of the fire: "First, this is not a typical fire by any means. The combustible debris is mixed with twisted steel in a mass that covers 17 acres, and may be 50 metres deep. This is the one all future fire scenes will be measured against."

The other reasons are human. For nearly three weeks, Tinsley says, city officials insisted that work at Ground Zero was a rescue operation, meaning it would have been inappropriate to flood the rubble with water. As a result, he says, "the fires had a 17-day head start when we arrived.""

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1634-ground-zeros-fires-still-burning.html

Water was not poured on the site for weeks.

[zappaman]

21. stop it!

why are you bringing rationality and reason into this argument?

[SDuderstadt]

22. Dude...ask yourself a simple question...

why was no one taking video of it or performing metallugical tests? Because unlike you and others with similar delusions, no one else finds it suspicious, dude.

Trying to reason with you is like Charlie Babbitt trying to convince his brother, Raymond ("Rainman"), that "Who's on First?" isn't a riddle. It's a somedy routine...kinda like your posts, dude.

[jberryhill]

9. Truther Hannukah - The Miracle Of The Burning Thermite

Even though a large volume of thermite burns very rapidly, the 9/11 caper used miracle thermite which burned for weeks!

[Theobald]

12. Disengenuous or Ignorance?

Mr. Gross from NIST is asked if he is aware of molten steel at ground zero. He replies that he was not aware of reports of molten steel at ground zero. He further state that in order to have molten steel at ground zero you need temperatures of 2,600 degrees farenheit which were not present at ground zero. In May of this year Mr. Hill called Mr. Gross and asked him why he said there was no molten metal at ground zero and Mr Gross replied that he never said there was no molten metal at ground zero.

So the question is whether or not Mr. Hill is being disengenuous with his question or whether he is simply ignorant. The question Mr. Hill asked insinutated that Mr. Gross thought there was no molten metal at ground zero. The reason why this is ignorant or disengenous is because only a complete moron could believe there was no molten metal at ground zero. It is widely believed temperatures at ground zero were between 800 and 1300 degrees farenheit, which is also a belief held by Mr. Gross. There are plenty of metals that melt at temperatures below 1300 degrees farenheit.

Tin 449.4
Bismuth 520.5
Cadmium 610
Lead 621
Zinc 787
Antimony 1170
Plutonium 1180
Magnesium 1200
Aluminum 1220

So having molten metal at ground zero is an expected event. Mr. Hill repeatedly asked Mr. Gross why he denied that there was molten metal at ground zero and Mr. Gross correctly pointed out that he said no such thing. Either Mr. Hill didn't understand how the question he asked was different than the question Mr. Gross answered, i.e. molten steel vs molten metal, then he is an ignoramous.

[KDLarsen]

19. *blinks*

Unless I'm missing something here, there is a fatal flaw to your argument..

Mr. Gross is asked if was aware of molten steel at Ground Zero.

Mr. Gross replies he is not aware of molten steel at Ground Zero.

Mr. Hill asks Mr. Gross why he denied there being molten metal at Ground Zero.

Mr. Gross replies that he didn't deny there being molten metal at Ground Zero.

Mr. Gross was asked about a specific type of molten metal being present at Ground Zero, not about molten metal in general.

It's kinda nice when truthers take the time to debunk themselves :eyes:

[jberryhill]

24. well, you know, it could have been all that plutonium at WTC

Not to mention the bismuth.

[Theobald]

30. You are not making sense

Mr Gross said there was no molten steel.
Mr Hill asked him why he said there was no molten metal.

Mr. Gross never said there was no molten metal so Mr. Hills question is wrong.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

31. this is an interesting one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILuVvtpmxI&NR=1

[KDLarsen]

32. That one is a riot

Dimitri Khalezov has been making the rounds on various 9/11 "Truth" boards, professing to knowing exactly who was behind 9/11 and the destruction of the WTC.

.. And if you're willing to pay him $55 for his book, you too can find out :eyes:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. I didn't know the missile was Russian?

[KDLarsen]

34. Not only Russian, but a sub-launched one as well

Meaning that everyone in a straight line, from whereever on the east coast any such missile was launched from all the way to the Pentagon, would be in on it. Otherwise they would probably be wondering, what that strange loud noise was and why all of their windows had been blown out.

[jberryhill]

35. I was just saying earlier today...

That since we hit Peak Truth a while back, it seems like there's hardly been any new Truth for a long time.

But this guy isn't giving it away for free? Dang. Another prediction of Peak Truth confirmed.

[blavatsky3]

36. Nanothermite and NOT ordinary office fires melt steel

Notice how Larry Silversteins legal team keep changing the story to enable their insurance claim for the WTC to remain alive.

We can't have have any claims of negligence even though office fires causing suddenand rapid collapse has all the features of CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

Remember Thomas Scott Gordon when he said that the 2 Twin Towers were earmarked for early decommissioning by the EPA as early as 2007 due to galvanic corrosion (where the outer aluminium shell of the wtc twin towers was connected to steel causing electrolysis)

[Make7]

37. The year 2006 called, it wants those talking points back. ( n/t )

[zappaman]

38. Hilarious!

Nice to see you have somehow stumbled upon this forum.
Maybe you will stumble across the real 9/11 perpetrators!