The 9-11 Solution -How the myth was sold-

[deconstruct911]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=7GDa-L4hHHo

• Jerome Hauer:
• Managing director of Kroll. Inc
• Landed John O’Neil his job as chief of security at the World Trade Centers

MSNBC: 31 minutes after the 2nd plane crash:

“Reported to be able to rally anywhere in the neighborhood of “3000” fighters for his terrorists cause, he is suspected of helping set up an Islamic training center, in fact several of them to prepare soldiers to fight in all parts of the world”

But as been shown "Al Qaeda" is not the same thing as the Taliban...

Al Qaeda does not exist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk

[deconstruct911]

1. Mr. war on waste

The Lair of Bin Laden is a fictoid that originated in the highly-enterprising British press on November 27th, 2001. The chronology is as follows. On November 26th, the New York Times carried a story based on the account of an a ex-Russian soldier, Viktor Kutsenko, who had served in Afghanistan in the nineteen-eighties in which he claimed that there had seen an elaborate cave complex in Zhawar with "iron doors" that contained " a bakery, a hotel with overstuffed furniture, a hospital with an ultrasound machine, a library, a mosque, weapons of every imaginable stripe; a service bay with a World War II-era Soviet tank inside, in perfect running order." The historic story then added "Mr. bin Laden is reported to have upgraded both it and a nearby camp in the 1990's."



On November 27th, the London-based Independent came up with its own fairly similar troglodyte story, except that it had moved the underground fortress from Zhawar to Tora Bora, where the manhunt for bin Laden was about to begin, and advanced it in time from the nineteen-eighties to the present.
The Independent headlined: "Al-Qa'ida almost 'immune to attack' inside its hi-tech underground lair." In the story, its correspondent Richard Lloyd Parry, in Jalalabad, described a vast redoubt burrowed deep under a mountain, with labyrinthian tunnels sealed by with iron doors. "It has its own ventilation system and its own power, created by a hydro-electric generator. Its walls and floors in the rooms are smooth and finished and it extends 350 yards beneath a solid mountain." It was therefore tunneled almost as deep as the World Trade Center was high. It was also " so well defended and concealed that – short of poison gas or a tactical nuclear weapon – it is immune to outside attack. And it is filled with heavily armed followers of Osama bin Laden, with a suicidal commitment to their cause and with nothing left to lose."


It further claimed that fortress was built " reportedly employing expertise from Mr bin Laden's Saudi construction businesses" and housed "as many as 2,000 Arab and foreign fighters." The story's putative unidentified witness— the lone deep throat— explained, "It's like a hotel, with doors on the left and the right."


The idea that Osama and his followers had entombed themselves in an unassailable fortress under a mountain immediately embedded itself into the imagination of the American press. The Associated Press put The Independent story on its services, which went to hundreds of major newspapers and broadcasting stations. ABC News re-headlined the story "Bin Laden Hide-out Resembles Hotel: Witness," depicting "The cave complex ... filled with bin Laden's fanatical followers." Yahoo noted in its Internet service "Bin Laden has reputedly built a fortress 1,150 feet (350 meters) beneath the mountains, equipped with water, electricity and ventilation and guarded by hundreds or thousands of fighters ready to die for their leader." CBS, expanding the story, reported that an Afghan "commander thinks bin Laden is in a cave fortress known as Tora Bora. The massive hideout was built by the U.S. to house forces fighting the Soviet Army in the 1980s. The complex - nicknamed "bin Laden's ant farm," is burrowed deep into Gree Khil peak -- soaring 13,000 feet above the village of Tora Bora. It is virtually impregnable -- a latticework of tunnels, storage rooms for arms and munitions, and accommodations for up to a thousand fighters. Ventilation shafts bring fresh air 1,200 feet inside the mountain. A nearby river provides hydroelectric power to the complex... at least 2,000 of bin Laden's al-Qaida fighters are believed to be hiding there," In the Los Angeles Times Professor Mark C. Taylor added to his essay on an ancient troglodyte Hittite city in Turkey that "This city and others like it provide the prototype for the underground fortresses where Bin Laden and his followers are presumed to be hiding;" The Atlanta Journal-Constitution put the underground city in context, saying "The bitter and brutal end game between Osama bin Laden and U.S.-led forces is being played out in a mountain fortress the CIA helped build... equipped with ventilation and hydroelectric power." This bunker-fortress, the story continued, "provides bin Laden with significant advantages... it is considered invulnerable even to bunker-busting bombs and impregnable to conventional military attack." The Times of London meanwhile illustrated its story with an artist's rendering of the underground fortress, which dwarfed even Hitler's infamous "eagle's nest" fortress.


The story probably reached its high point on NBC's Meet The Press on December 2nd when Tim Russert, the host of the program, provided Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld with the artist's rendering of bin Laden's fortress. The interview proceeded:



Russert: The Times of London did a graphic, which I want to put on the screen for you and our viewers. This is it. This is a fortress. This is a very much a complex, multi-tiered, bedrooms and offices on the top, as you can see, secret exits on the side and on the bottom, cut deep to avoid thermal detection so when our planes fly to try to determine if any human beings are in there, it's built so deeply down and embedded in the mountain and the rock it's hard to detect. And over here, valleys guarded, as you can see, by some Taliban soldiers. A ventilation system to allow people to breathe and to carry on. An arms and ammunition depot. And you can see here the exits leading into it and the entrances large enough to drive trucks and cars and even tanks. And it's own hydroelectric power to help keep lights on, even computer systems and telephone systems. It's a very sophisticated operation.


Rumsfeld: Oh, you bet. This is serious business. And there's not one of those. There are many of those. And they have been used very effectively. And I might add, Afghanistan is not the only country that has gone underground. Any number of countries have gone underground. The tunneling equipment that exists today is very powerful. It's dual use. It's available across the globe. And people have recognized the advantages of using underground protection for themselves.


A few weeks after the "Meet the Press" interview, US special forces and their Afghan allies occupied Tora Bora. They painstakingly searched Gree Khil mountain and the surrounding area. They found no underground fortress, no hydro-electric power plant, no 2000-room hotel, no ant farm, no iron doors, no ventilating shafts. The troglodyte Lair of Bin Laden turned out to be mythic.

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid3.htm

[zappaman]

2. do you just think this is a clearing house

for you to post any shit you run across on the net?
seriously, wtf?

[deconstruct911]

3. Did you even watch the entire length of both videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhGHxw0mSo&playnext_from=TL&videos=uPhEp9fabZw

[Twist_U_Up]

8. wtf is dudette on vaca ?

birds of a feather......

[SDuderstadt]

11. What the fuck are you babbling about now....

dude?

[KDLarsen]

4. Oh look, the "Power of Nightmares" video again

You do realise that even the FBI was saying the same thing back in 2002?

...al Qaeda is far less a large organization than a facilitator, sometimes orchestrator, of Islamic militants around the globe. These militants are linked by ideas and goals, not by organizational structure. The intent is establishment of a state, or states ruled by Islamic law and free of western influence. Bin Laden's contribution to the Islamic jihad is a creature of the modern world. He has spawned a global network of individuals with common, radical ideas, kept alive through modern communications and sustained through forged documents and money laundering activities on a global scale.

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/bowman073102.htm

[deconstruct911]

7. It was already sold

MSNBC: 31 minutes after the 2nd plane crash:

“Reported to be able to rally anywhere in the neighborhood of “3000” fighters for his terrorists cause, he is suspected of helping set up an Islamic training center, in fact several of them to prepare soldiers to fight in all parts of the world”


"You do realise that even the FBI was saying the same thing back in 2002?"

Would have helped 31 minutes after the 2nd plane....

READ THE POST

HOW THE 911 MYTH WAS SOLD!

[HudsonValley]

5. 9-11 solution

Thx for your post. I jumped to another video that you may find interesting as well: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/219.html Not sure if the additional "blasts" shown in the many video clips were ever explained. So many questions remain.

[SDuderstadt]

6. For the life of me, I don't understand why people believe that...

things blowing up in buildings on fire (generators, transformers, uninterruptible power supplies, batteries, etc.) need an explanation. Use some critical thinking, dude.

[Twist_U_Up]

9. perhaps your not as bright as most folks that are in the know?

or maybe you are but your agenda differs a tad.

[SDuderstadt]

10. Or, maybe you're just fucking wrong, dude....

things explode during fires. Rational people don't think that's some huge mystery.

[deconstruct911]

12. Dude

WTC victim, Jim Gartenberg, core blown out, WABC,09:32, 9/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eSVsid7eKE&playnext_from=TL&videos=l9jE9htdoOs

[SDuderstadt]

13. Keep digging, dude...

you're almost there.

[deconstruct911]

14. Well which one was it?

generators, transformers, uninterruptible power supplies, batteries?

[KDLarsen]

15. Jetfuel hurling down an elevatorshaft

Mark Roberts compiled a handy list of eyewitnesses, who experienced the same "inside-out" explosion as mr. Gartenberg:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1907291&postcount=40

That list was made 3½ years ago, in 2006, a year which a lot of truthers seems to be stuck in.

[deconstruct911]

16. It's

amazng there was a fireball after the plane crashes. Clearly an enormous amount of the fuel would be required to run down to the basement, but explode and exert enough force to collapse the core up near the plane crash, blast debris outwards and do the same underground?

2006 a funny year it was. Particularly 9/10/06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh3_wWmS6lk

[SDuderstadt]

17. No one cares about your incredulity....

dude.

[spooked911]

19. yeah, that's a good video

something else for the untruthers to ignore

[SDuderstadt]

18. Dude...

the buildings were full of all those things. When buildings are on fire, they routinely explode. It's not a fucking riddle.

[BeFree]

20. Keep digging dude, you're almost there

And thanks for the laugh..."When buildings are on fire, they routinely explode."

That was f'n hilarious.

[SDuderstadt]

21. Maybe you should ask a firefighter...

dude.

[BeFree]

22. I have

Maybe you should ask a firefighter...
dude.

[SDuderstadt]

23. Ask the firefighter about backdraft, dude, then ask them...

why fires in skyscrapers are so dangerous.

[mcollins]

24. is deconstruct and spooked911 the same guy?

This xposting is very confusing.

[SDuderstadt]

25. They do appear to be twins, but...

only because they're both equally reason and logic-resistant, although it's arguable Spooked is in a class all his own.

[mcollins]

26. It's like reading the same person.

They both have the same syntax of speech and everything.

[SDuderstadt]

27. I'm sure they both conduct their "research" on...

the same CT websites.

[deconstruct911]

28. Generally my posts

are related to the financial aspect of 9 11.

[Name removed]

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[LARED]

30. You're a no-planer? Yes? nt

[deconstruct911]

31. at the pentagon & field yes

and I have good reason to believe so.

example- trillions at pentagon= something else not Hani Hanjour or w.e. his name is.
example- united 93- united put options linked to Alex Brown. Now is the ex director of the cia really relying on a few passengers to take that plane down before it hits the Whitehouse?
Ziad Jarrah’s ID? The bandanas mentioned in the phone calls. This is phony shit man.

So as you see I focus on economic aspects when I make my conclusion. I want to make it clear however I never said no planes at New York.

[LARED]

32. Wow, I never realized there were subgroups of no-planers- nt

[deconstruct911]

33. now you know. nt

[SDuderstadt]

34. Dude...

Why use planes for only part of the plot? What about the 100+ witnesses who saw AA 77 hit the Pentagon? As far as the "missing trillions", you need to go back and read the accounts of the meeting at which Rumsfeld made the announcement. Hint: the money isn't "missing". Do you honestly think if it were missing and you wanted to conceal it, you'd announce it the day before 9/11?

Again, this is why you aren't taken seriously here.

[LARED]

35. If you could only learn to follow the money

all this no plane stuff would all make sense. Take it from a true financial genius.

[SDuderstadt]

36. I'd be willing to bet that...

deconstruct911 doesn't even know his way around a balance sheet.

[LARED]

46. No thanks

But I bet we could make a good case that double entry accounting is the reason for all the lost trillions.

[deconstruct911]

37. Missing is a name

for the "accounting games". Read the thread on the audit on DU. Again an example that people do take it seriously.

[SDuderstadt]

39. Simple question, dude...

Are you claiming the money is missing or was stolen?

[ablewon]

38. At a David Copperfield show, maybe.

"What about the 100+ witnesses who saw AA 77 hit the Pentagon?"

[SDuderstadt]

40. Do you honestly believe you can just handwave off 100+ direct eyewitnesses...

dude?

Have you even read their testimony?

[ablewon]

41. dude - it's okay if you want to believe in miracles...

specifically, all of the miracles that had to have occurred on 9/11 if the OCT is true.

[SDuderstadt]

42. In other words...

you can't argue on facts...just handwave them away as a "miracle".

Typical "truther".

[ablewon]

43. dude, the facts show that the OCT requires miracles...

and trying to argue in favor of OCT miracles is not a sign of an informed person.

I prefer facts, but I'll defend your right to believe in OCT miracles.

[SDuderstadt]

44. More handwaving...

You can't dismiss physical evidence that disproves your claim by labeling it "miracles", dude.

[zappaman]

45. please give some examples of "miracles"

n/t