Mohamed Atta in two places at once - 9/11 Commission

[pberq]

Hopsicker points out that the 9/11 commission came up with a new timeline for Mohamed Atta in the days just before 9/11. This timeline contradicts widely reported stories that came out in the weeks after 9/11.

The fact that MSM has not reported on this discrepancy is another example of how tightly controlled the media in this country is.

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6122004.html

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On two of the last four days before the attack, for example, the report paints ringleader Mohamed Atta as someone with the apparent ability to be in two places at once.

Written with the cooperation of the FBI, the staff report states that Atta was shuttling between Baltimore and Boston—rather than in the Miami area, as has been widely-reported—on two of the last three days before the attack.

This despite dozens of reports in the major media placing Atta in the Miami area on two of those dates: drinking in Fort Lauderdale on September 7, and returning a rental car in Pompano Beach Sept 9.

[Mabus]

1. That's nothing

Oswald did it too. And as you know if it contradicts the Bush myth of 9/11 then you'll be branded a :tinfoilhat: by our beloved MSM.

[whistle]

2. Some pretty good cow patties there, thanks for the link

[frylock]

3. little by little, they will continue to iron out the details..

in order to match up with their version of the Official Lore of 9-11. Just look at the dicrepancies between the original testimony of the FAA, and that which was given to the 9-11 Commission, as pointed out by Mark Dayton. The media ignored it, and nothing came of it because people don't give a shit.

[stellanoir]

4. A brief aside-A really bizarre fact to know and tell. . .

One of Atta's German professors was interviewed shortly after 9/11. He was immersed in classic Germanic Nordic gloom holding his head over a transcript of Atta thesis he had written years before. The professor lamented,"Why didn't I see it. . .why didn't I see it?"

Atta's degree he earned was in what subject you may wonder. . .

Urban Planning. . .wotta plan !

[KC21304]

6. Yes and he specifically studied structural weakness of

buildings etc. He knew exactly where to hit the towers for maximum effect.

[DulceDecorum]

16. And he also knew how the concrete

would spall in a fire,
especially if it was high performance concrete
which may well contain finely divided aluminium powder just asking to go BOOM.

Spalling can be described as the breaking of layers or pieces of concrete from the surface of a structural element when it is exposed to the high and rapidly rising temperatures experienced in fires
<snip>
Because of its relative impermeability, high performance or ultra high performance concrete is more susceptible to spalling. The 1996 Channel Tunnel fire and subsequent fires in European road tunnels are examples where spalling, including explosive spalling, have taken place. High performance concrete left untreated against the threat of spalling represents the highest risk to life safety.
http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=660

[DulceDecorum]

5. About that commuter flight from Portland, Maine .......

For reasons that remain unknown, Atta and Omari took a commuter flight to Boston during the early hours of September 11 to connect to Flight 11."
So here’s the “official story.” Atta leaves Florida Sept. 7, flying to Baltimore to meet one hijack crew, then from Baltimore to Boston two days later, Sept. 9, for a final rendezvous with sidekick Marwan al shehhi. The next morning he drives to Portland Maine with one of his muscle hijackers…and the rest is history.
That’s the story, anyway.
http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6122004.html

According to the 911 Ommission Report, page 468:
4. Flight 11 pushed back from Gate 32 in Terminal B at 7:40. See AAL response to the Commission's February 3, 2004, requests, Mar. 15, 2004.
7. ...... For boarding and seating information, see AAL record, SABRE information on Flight 11, Sept. 11, 2001. These boarding times from the American system are approximate only; FOR FLIGHT 11, THEY INDICATED THAT SOME PASSENGERS "boarded" AFTER THE AIRCRAFT HAD PUSHED BACK FROM THE GATE. See AAL response to the Commission's February 3, 2004, requests, Mar. 15, 2004.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=12490&mesg_id=26356&page=

[spooked911]

9. Nice picture!

[Wilms]

7. Flight 11 is reported to leave from Gate 32 AND Gate 26.

So we have a plane in two places at the same time.

I wonder how Atta pulled that one off.

[Abe Linkman]

8. If you were in the CIA, you'd understand.

It's really not that hard a trick for THEM to pull off. It's also not beyond the realm of possibilities that missiles were used on 9/11, and the only way Atta could have access to THEM is if he had some really, really good connections, wink wink. Oh. Really? He DID? Well then, never mind.

[spooked911]

10. Actually, as in the Portland thread, and elsewhere, there are hints that

there were two men who looked alike named Mohamed Atta. I'm sure this is part of the intelligence legend that was created for the hijackers. Having a look-alike to confuse people would be perfect for the 9/11 planner's needs.

[LARED]

11. Has anyone considered making career out of

comparing the news media's account of important events then comparing it to the actual investigations of an event. Oh that's right, there are millions made every year on that premise

Try an experiment.

Imagine how different the media's version of the OJ trial was to the actual facts presented in court.

Imagine how different the media's version of the Clinton scandals were to the accurate facts of his problems.

Imagine how different the reporting of Princess Diana's death was compared to the final investigation.

So why is there this infantile belief that because the media's version of events on 9/11 do not match exactly with the commission's report there is a conspiracy? Why would any one expect it to perfectly match?

[DulceDecorum]

12. Well,

in the OJ trial, a lot of evidence was withheld from the jury.

As for the Clinton scandals:
Dec. 02, 2004
SANTA BARBARA, Calif. - Kenneth Starr says he never should have led the investigation that resulted in the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/10322682.htm
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/003426.html

The investigation has been reopened into the death of Princess Diana.
LONDON, Jan 24 (AFP) - French police have agreed to ship secretly to Britain the Mercedes in which Princess Diana was killed so that British police can study the vehicle, a newspaper reported Monday.
It will be the first time the car has been examined by British detectives for clues into how and why the 1997 crash happened in Paris's Pont d'Alma tunnel after the princess left the city's Ritz Hotel, the Daily Mail said.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=16094&name=UK+police+to+study+Princess+Diana+crash+car+

So why is there this infantile belief
that because the media's version of events on 9/11
do not match exactly with the commission's report
there is a conspiracy?
Why would any one expect it to perfectly match?

Considering that the media and the Ommission report
both got their information from the same sources,
I guess this is par for the course.

"Never attribute to malice what stupidity will suffice to explain."

[LARED]

13. Well how did you figure that out?

Considering that the media and the Ommission report
both got their information from the same sources,

That's not true. The media reporting in the aftermath of 9/11 was based on whatever source they could find. The MSM attempts to ensure it's information is credible (they do a lousy job) but it is often slanted and biased to "make" a story. Also because they are trying to get a story, details like exact times and location often are miscommunicated or just plain wrong.

The 9/11 commission report tapped into far more sources that had first hand information, and not all were available to the media in the aftermath of 9/11. Unless I'm mistaken many were put under oath.

There is a huge difference in the sources used between the two. The commission was set up to find the facts as best they could. The media is an institution set up to make money by printing stories that people will pay money for.

""Never attribute to stupidity when malice will suffice to explain."

BTW, OJ is guilty a hell.

[DulceDecorum]

14. All roads lead to ......

the fact that OJ is walking around free.

[seemslikeadream]

15. Take a look at this set of chef's knives

William C. Dear, Internationally acclaimed private investigator and author of the book, "O.J. is Guilty But Not of Murder"



On the TV set of Business Beat Live, private investigator William C. Dear displays a set of chef's knives similar to those O.J. Simpson's son, Jason, was seen carrying the night Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman were murdered on June 12, 1994.

http://www.businessbeatlive.com/upcomingguests.html

[spooked911]

20. How do you know the commission wasn't set up simply to cover-up government

crimes and complicity?

In any case, I don't know of anyone who claims that because the media's reporting sometimes differs from the commission report that it means there was a conspiracy. That is your logic construction.

[John Doe II]

17. What do you think

of Paul Thompson's Terror Timeline?
Just curious.

[k-robjoe]

18. If I get this right

Hopsicker has dug up this evidence that Atta was in Florida on Sept 9 : "Atta and Marwan returned a rent a car at this rental facility in Pompano Beach on Sept 9. This signed rental car contract is proof."

So unless Hopsicker is lying, it seems that the FBI/911 comission have some explaining to do.

[John Doe II]

19. Right

And that they have been there on 9/9 is mentioned in several newspaper accounts.