Recall any LIHOP/MIHOP articles within the first week/month after 9/11?

[DerekG]

Though no one would know it from my post count, I've been a DU member since 2001 May, and I recall that the general consensus to the attacks in New York and Washington was fairly tempered; grief and incredulity far outweighed the scant "conspiracy theories." Some (including myself) even expressed the desire to call a truce with Bushco.

Well, now that this graciousness has long since dissipated, I'd be interested to see any Internet articles that suspected LIHOP or MIHOP from the get-go. It might be interesting to recognize the men and women who gazed at America's Reichstag fire and didn't blink.

I'll go first...

Dave McGowan, acclaimed author of "Derailing Democracy" (among others) boasts a controversial site, Center for an Informed America. He has gained notoriety of late for his sharp critique of the Peak Oil theory (and a major thorn in the side of Mike Ruppert), but I'd rather harken back to an article entitled "Welcome to the New and Improved Police State" which was penned ONE DAY after the aforementioned attacks.



"I have a friend with whom I frequently disagree on matters of politics. He thinks that I am a crazed conspiracy theorist, and I think that he is a reactionary fascist. There was one thing that we agreed on though.
A few weeks ago, I told him that our fearless leaders seemed to be veering dangerously close to unleashing 'tactical' nuclear weapons upon the world. Although he seriously doubted that that was in fact the case, he readily agreed that such an action would be reckless and unconscionable. He stated that he couldn't envision any scenario under which such a strike would be justified and that we should avoid, at all costs, crossing that threshold. Opening that door, he believed, could only serve to escalate tensions and make this a much more dangerous world in which to live.
He was one of several people who called me yesterday to discuss the alleged terrorist attacks on America. During the course of that call, he stated flatly that when the perpetrators were identified, they and their backers should be nuked. When I reminded him of our conversation of just a few weeks before, he said that things have changed now. I asked him if he had considered whether that wasn't perhaps precisely the point of the attacks. Unfazed, he reiterated his belief that I am a crazed conspiracy theorist.
Excuse my cynicism here, but have we Americans completely lost our ability to think? Are we now so thoroughly brain-dead that we are completely reliant on our media outlets, with their endless supply of 'experts,' to make sense of events in the world? Are we really that stupid -- or do our leaders just think that we are?"

More at http://davesweb.cnchost.com/wtc.html

[kk897]

1. how about within five weeks?

The article that really turned my whole outlook around was this:

Guilty For 9-11: Bush, Rumsfeld, Myers
Part 1
by Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel



http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm

I'm sure it took them a little extra time because they researched thoroughly.

Not sure what I think of the rest of the site's outlook BTW... although they seem to back up every last assertion with evidence, they say some really discomfiting things...

[NYC]

2. The talk started immediately.

I don't remember what was on the internet.

[starroute]

3. From the Wilderness

SUPPRESSED DETAILS OF CRIMINAL INSIDER TRADING LEAD DIRECTLY INTO THE CIA's HIGHEST RANKS
October 9, 2001
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html


Follow-up and expansion in:

PROFITS OF DEATH -- INSIDER TRADING AND 9-11
December 6, 2001
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html


On edit: There's also a Stan Goff piece which was being widely circulated online no later than October 8. See, for example, http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2001-October/017392.html or http://www.freelists.org/archives/altroots/10-2001/msg00035.html or http://thegiganticheartlessmultinationalcorporation.com/id321.htm .
But he cites emperors-clothes.com as a reference, so that clearly has priority.

[PerpetualYnquisitive]

4. Yes, I remember at least one.

THE SPLIT-SECOND ERROR
...EXPOSING THE WTC BOMB PLOT...

by Fintan Dunne,
Research Kathy McMahon
18 September 2001

The determined man at the controls of Flight 175 was now less than one minute from his own demise, and was in that state of heightened alertness that only approaching death can generate.

Ahead, as he hurtled across New York towards Manhattan Island, he could see the vast plume of smoke (1). His colleague in Flight 11, approaching from the opposite direction had already made an almost perfect impact on the North Tower of the World Trade Center.

Full article: http://www.wagkingdom.com/wag/the_split_second_error.htm

[NecessaryOnslaught]

5. Whispers of an inside job at ground zero.

The account of Father Frank Morales, "a few days after the destruction of the World Trade Center"

" In front of me in a semi-circle, floodlit in the dead of night, I could see the entire devastation: on the right, the spiked remains of the south tower, the lower portion of which reminded me of the Parthenon, an earlier testament to a doomed civilization; to the left, a 2000°F pit, the infernal ruin of the north tower. The entire deathscape was cast in front of me like a remake of Apocalypse Now; I could see the tiny machines and people traverse the mountains of twisted steel and rich brown earth, a picture to defy comprehension.

Standing there, I was approached by a firefighter, a 40-ish, football-player looking guy from Queens; I never got his name. He told me he’d been there since immediately after the catastrophe. Spitting up blood and popping antibiotics, he said the wives of his friends buried somewhere beneath the burning toxic earth were calling him every day and asking him if he’d found their husbands yet.

I told him to go home, that he was sick. He looked at me and said, “I know I’m going to lose 10 years of my life here, but I can’t let my buddies down. I can’t go.”

Then, perhaps recognizing that I was somewhat overwhelmed by the devastation around us, he said, “Father, look at the earth. The people are in it.” He motioned to me to examine the soil I was standing in. It was rich and moist, enriched with the ground-up bodies of the dead.

My feet inside my boots began to tingle. I had truly arrived in hell. I was moved to utter, possibly for his benefit, “Hey, if I had somebody in this mess, I’d be pissed as shit, and yeah, I’d wanna get those motherfuckers.”

He put his hand on my shoulder and whispered, “Hey, it’s not about that.” He drew near to my ear. “You wanna know something? Bush and bin Laden have the same banker.” Later, another firefighter would advise me that the whole situation was one of “rich people fighting over oil with all of us caught in the middle.” "
http://www.warresisters.org/nva0102-3.htm

And the pinnacle of prescience from KMAbush...

KMAbush (231 posts) Sep-09-01, 11:19 PM (ET)

14. For what it's worth...

which probably isn't much. I saw a long train of military equipment (tanks, tracked vehicles, HUMVEES, artillery pieces, etc.) heading north through Denver, presumably from Ft. Carson. All equipment had the Gulf War beige coloring.

It's probably not what I think it is, though. It's probably the Chimp selling excess U.S. military gear to his new friends in Afghanistan, the Taliban.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=99&forum=DCForumID30&archive=yes

[kk897]

6. wow, just checked out that old DU thread...

pretty amazing. History!

[spooked911]

7. I suspected LIHOP fairly early on, but didn't have real doubts until

I somehow found From The Wilderness.

At that point in time, it was very scary to even go to that site-- I thought I could get in trouble just looking at the site.

For better or worse, now I am a full-fledged 9/11-skeptic and I tend to believe MIHOP rather than LIHOP.