The 9/11 Commission

[holiday]

I know they were suppose to be bi partisan but I thought I read that they all had ties with Bush and things to gain by backing Bush?

anyone know for sure?

[Al-CIAda]

1. Affermative...I do not have my links/info currently, but YES

ALL had connections and were comprimized in some manner.
(Including the Dems)...the Omission Committee is a whitewash.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

2. In Crossing the Rubicon

Ruppert explains how each and everyone of them had profited from the events of 9/11 as well

[Abe Linkman]

3. Ask these OCT supporters ( "sweet pea, m-atc, lared, vv") to explain

n/t

[LARED]

4. Abe, as a CT'er this question is right up your alley.

Care to respond?

Why is there problems with the commision? How did the Bush administration get them to ignore the "evidence" the 9/11 was an inside job?

[Abe Linkman]

13. I'm surprised (wink wink), but I know you aren't the only one who either..

is too naive about how things really work, or else you're just pretending to be. Either way, buscho keeps the lid on the mountain of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job by:

* Withholding evidence ("can't show you that until our investigation is completed in 2911").

* Disinformation campaigns led by PR firms like Hill & Knowlton (who sold the public on the false incubator babies in Kuwait story to promote the "need" for the first invasion of Iraq), the Rendon Group (are they STILL being paid that huge monthly retainer they got?).

* Volunteer right-wingers who use 9/11 as an opportunity to do their part in helping to sell a "New AMERICAN Order" that gets its inspiration from extreme right-wing governments in other countries.

* Compliant mass media outlets that are owned and operated as little more than right-wing propaganda tools.

[MercutioATC]

6. Me?? When did I ever comment on the reliability of the 9/11 comm.?

They're a bunch of bureaucratic laypersons who probably didn't understand the mechanics of half of what they were told.

Sorry to disappoint you, Abe, but that's my take...

[tngledwebb]

5. Best evidence of a whitewash, for whatever reason,

is the report itself. Nothing but gobbledygook bs and insubstantial dissembling, and people paid good money for a copy.

Or, if you watched the same hearings I did, and compare them with oh, say Clinton's impeachment proceedings, for example, or the Watergate hearings if you are older, or even re-runs of Perry Mason...well, it's simply appalling that they got away with it.

[Old and In the Way]

7. Bush stacked the deck.

Remember, he tried to get Kissinger to head the 9/11 Commission? That was a little too obvious. But Kean had business ties with Delta Oil and bin Mahfouz. Lee Hamilton proved his alleigence during the BCCI investigations.

The fact that the Commission's focus was to prevent future 9/11's rather than get to the truth about 9/11 tells me that Bush was quite sucessful in having the official whitewash done.

Let's recap. We spend 8 years and $70MM to impeach a popularly elected President for getting a BJ with a consenting adult....we don't impeach a President for gross incompetence (best case) that leads to the deaths of 3,000 Americans and foreign nationals.

Since when do we let the suspects determine the investigation?

[Abe Linkman]

8. buscho got away with it (9/11). So, how is that incompetence?

n/t

[Old and In the Way]

9. That was the best case scenario for Bush, Abe.

I think even the OCT supporters here will agree with that. Still valid grounds for impeachment and removal from office.

[Wilms]

10. Here's some stuff from 911 Family Steering Committee

<http://www.911independentcommission.org/apr012004.html>

<http://www.911independentcommission.org/mar202004.html>

<http://www.911independentcommission.org/oct032003.html>


Some commission. Here's just some of the unanswered questions.

<http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html>

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. Do you mean the 9/11 Omissions Commission?

http://www.justicefor911.org/Appendix7_911OmissionsHearings_111904.php

"THE 9/11 OMISSIONS HEARINGS"

Convened by The 9/11 Citizens' Commission
At Symphony Space, New York City – September 9, 2004



The "Omissions Hearings" of the 9/11 Citizens' Comission were developed by 9/11 CitizensWatch and 911Truth.org as a response to the publication of The 9/11 Commission Report.

The hearings were held in New York for nine hours on Thursday, September 9, 2004, with an attendance of 400 people at the afternoon session. The testimonies by researchers and whistleblowers presented evidence and explored questions that the official 9/11 Commission had chosen to ignore, or at least to omit from its reports and public proceedings; hence the ironic name.

The Omissions Hearings stand as a model for ad hoc citizens' action, piecing together an investigation to fill the vacuum left by a government that has abandoned accountability and has allowed obvious discrepancies to prevail in its accounts of one of the greatest crimes and defining events of our age. We are therefore providing the complete transcripts and the video / audio records of the hearings as documents in support of this Complaint and Petition.

< Audio Files Part I | Part II | Part III | Part IV >

Unfortunately, citizens' initiatives cannot issue subpeonas or gain access to classified documents or official witnesses. Those powers have been invested by the people in governmental authorities. Several of the parties who participated in the Omissions Hearings in the role of commissioners, witnesses or staff are therefore also taking part in the present Complaint and Petition to the Attorney General, as researchers, consultants and/or complainants and signatories. Their expertise and knowledge remains accessible to future investigations by suitably empowered authorities, such as the Attorney General.

(-Justice for 9/11 Steering Committee)


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The Omissions Hearings of
The 9/11 Citizens' Commission



Co-Chairs


Hon. Cynthia McKinney
Democratic member of the House of Representatives from Georgia

Catherine Austin Fitts
Assistant Secretary of Housing under President George Bush Sr.
Former managing director and board member of Dillon, Read & Co. Inc.
Founder of the Solari Network.
(Absent on September 9 due to a family emergency)

Ø

Commissioners

Robert McIlvaine
Father of Robert McIlvaine, lost at Ground Zero;
member of Peaceful Tomorrows.


Dr. Faiz Khan
Triage Doctor at Ground Zero on September 11; assistant Imam.


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Testimonies

Introduction by
Kyle Hence
Co-founder, 9/11 CitizensWatch
- On the need and rationale for a new investigation of September 11 crimes

Witness
Jenna Orkin
Chairwoman, World Trade Center Environmental Organization
- On the U.S. administration's cover-up of the environmental impacts of the World Trade Center attacks, and the continuing consequences to the health of many thousands of people in New York City


Staff Statements by
John Judge
Co-founder, 9/11 CitizensWatch, author and researcher
- On failures and omissions of official 9/11 investigations and overall context of the September 11 events

Witness
Barrie Zwicker
Journalist and filmmaker ("The Great Conspiracy: The 9/11 News Special You Never Saw"); co-organizer of the International Citizens Inquiry into 9/11, Phase II (May 2004)
- On the historical precedents for state-sponsored and false-flag terror and the manufacture of casus belli

Witness
Michael Springmann
Former State Department employee at the consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
- Exposed the practice of awarding U.S. visas to ineligible applicants at the behest of the Central Intelligence Agency

Witness
Paul Thompson
Creator of "The Complete 9/11 Timeline" at cooperativeresearch.org, the leading online resource for 9/11 research, recently published in book form as The Terror Timeline: A Comprehensive Chronicle of the Road to 9/11 (Harper Collins, 2004)
- On advance knowledge of the September 11 attacks and advance warnings to the United States by allied foreign governments; on the Pakistani ISI connection to the CIA and to the financing of terrorist networks

Witness
Michael C. Ruppert
Former LAPD Narcotics Investigator, publisher of the "From the Wilderness" newsletter and author of the leading 9/11 research study, Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil
- On the role of the U.S. Air Force wargames of September 11, 2001 in hindering air defense response to the hijackings; on the role of the U.S. civilian-military chain of command in the events of that day

Witness
Indira Singh
Ground Zero survivor and first responder
- Whistleblower on the activities of the U.S. government contractor Ptech

Open Letter by
Sibel Edmonds
addressed to Thomas Kean

Former FBI translator
- Whistleblower on the FBI failure to prevent the September 11 attacks, despite specific warnings dating back to April 2001 and indicating contributing factors originating within a nexus of organized crime reaching into the United States government itself

Staff Statement by
Nicholas Levis
Staff member, 911Truth.org
Author, co-organizer of the international 9/11 research conference in Berlin, "Unanswered Questions: Demanding Answers" (September 2003, see online at http://www.911truth.org/ancien)
- On failures and omissions of official 9/11 investigations and overall context of the September 11 events

Staff Statement by
Carolyn Betts
Attorney at Law, consultant to the Justice for 9/11 Complaint and Petition
- On the taxonomies of damages and issues of jurisdiction arising from the crimes of September 11

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. Videos and Audio of the Ommissions Hearing

http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html

[Abe Linkman]

14. Did they investigate how OBL could have gotten remote control technology?

One of the limited, modified hang-out scenarios of the "9/11 was allowed to happen" crowd poses that AA FL 77 hit the Pentagon as the result of being remotely controlled. This raises a few questions in my mind:

1.) Is there any evidence that OBL ever acquired the technical means to fly a B757 by remote control?

2.) Did the 9/11 Commission investigate whether or not OBL possessed the means to fly an AA B757 by remote control?

3.) Did the 9/11 Commission or any other investigatory group uncover any evidence that the AA FL 77 aircraft (B757) had been flown by remote control?

Regarding the issue of whether or not 9/11 was "allowed to happen", how is it possible that the Pentagon attack could have been done by way of FL 77 having been flown by remote control, and yet be "allowed to happen"? Was OBL "allowed" to use remote control to crash FL 77 into the Pentagon? WHO exactly would have been able to make it possible for OBL to have done that? The U.S GOVERNMENT? Wouldn't a conspiracy like that require a whole bunch of people? How do you keep all those people quiet? Surely, somebody would have talked by now, don't you think? "Hey, I SAW an AA B757 being fitted with remote control flight technology." Of course you did, sir.

The notion that 9/11 was "allowed to happen" is an impossibility, and
the notion that OBL was able to acquire and outfit an AA B757 with remote control technology seems a tad "out there", too. But, the topper is the limited, modified hang-out position itself. It's just cuckoo to say that FL 77 "may" have been flown by remote control, by
OBL's boy(s)...as part of a scheme in which the U.S. Government just "allowed it all to happen".

Just one more little question for the OBL used remote control to fly FL 77: WHICH "terrorist(s)" did the remote control flying, WHERE from, WHO trained them, WHERE did they acauire the technology, HOW did they get access to AA FL 77, and how reasonable is it to assert that
all of that was just part of a scheme which was "allowed to happen"?

Some of the wildest, zaniest Conspiracy Theories you'll ever run across come right from the mouths of people right here at DU, who claim there was no 9/11 conspiracy.

[MercutioATC]

15. I don't recall anybody making that claim, Abe.

...at least not anybody outside of the CT crowd here.

[mikelewis]

16. The remote control theory is useless conjecture

It is irrelevant to the case for several reasons.

1) UBL couldn't have perpetrated 9/11.
He could not have planted explosives in the Trade Centers.
He could not have planned for a complete failure of our air defense system.
He could not have a PDB ignored by a sitting President
He could not get a sitting President and an entire chain of command to not react to an attack.

2) There is no earthly way to prove the planes were flown by remote control unless there is a witness or substantial credible evidence to support this claim. In spite of the "stunt" flying by inept pilots, this claim is simply conjecture.

3) It is irrelevant to the case. Who cares how the planes were flown? Think back to what caused you to begin suspecting that 9/11 was bullshit. The goal of the movement is to get people to question. The vast majority of the people "believe" planes were flown into the buildings by terrorists. Fine, build on thier beliefs. Do you think Micheal Moore doesn't know about these theories? Why didn't his movie resemble "In Plane Sight" or "Painful Deceptions" or any video you deem credible. It's because the majority of people won't believe it. By asserting that the planes were holograms or flown by remote control attacks the very core of people belief system.

On the other hand, I don't believe that investigating and discussing these topics on DU is wrong or crazy. Often times, the craziest ideas have led me to real answers for many questions. This forum is for people to delve into the wild and crazy ideas and share what they think. With healthy debate, a clearer picture comes into focus. I say, don your tin-foil hats and make you best guess. Find as much as you can and throw it out there just don't get married to the idea. Reason usually rules out. I know this seems like it is contradicting my 3rd statement but it isn't. This forum is for this type of conjecture. The DU is a sounding board for ideas but when you present them outside of this forum, make sure they can further the cause and not harm it.