USA Today Reveals FBI Theory That World Trade Center Towers Destroyed By Explosives

[defendandprotect]

9/11/2001: USA Today Reveals FBI Theory That World Trade Center Towers Destroyed By Explosives

On September 11, 2001, then USA Today foreign correspondent Jack Kelley revealed that the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation suspected that the World Trade Center towers were destroyed by explosive devices located within the bottom of each tower.

Lauren Ashburn: "Joining me is Jack Kelley, now he is a foreign correspondent - war correspondent - and just came back from Israel. He has some information about these attacks. Jack, what can you tell us happened, first in New York."

Jack Kelly: "Um, apparently what appears to happen was that at the same time 2 planes hit the building, that there ... that the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the buildings, which also exploded at the same time and brought both of them down."

Lauren Ashburn: "Now that's the first time were hearing that, so 2 planes and explosives that were in the building, is that correct?"

Jack Kelley: "That is the working theory at this point, that is still unconfirmed but that is what the FBI is going on at this point."


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http://www.911blogger.com/node/11712

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-npAbNl2ihY

ex-CIA people have said similar things like Jeffrey Beatty who talked about secondary explosions in the basement


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Posting this for the record and as a reminder --

"Cracking the top" and blowing out the basement to provide space for the collapse

is usual DEMOLITION procedure -- and many noted the explosions in the basements --

PLUS they were explosions shown on seismic records -- which coincide with what is visible

of smoke rising from basement at street level.



9-11 Research: Seismic Evidence
Seismic Evidence Seismic Records of the Major Events in Manhattan Seismographers recorded the five major events in Manhattan on September 11. Here are seismograms ...
911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/​seismic.html - Cached
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/seismic.html

Seismic Records of the Twin Towers' Destruction:
Seismic Records of the Twin Towers' Destruction: Clarifying the Relationship Between Seismic Evidence and Controlled Demolition Theories,Jim Hoffman
911research.wtc7.net/essays/demolition/​seismic.html - Cached
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/demolition/seismic.html

[zappaman]

1. USA today?

where is the link?

[NYMdaveNYI]

89. The USA Today...

America’s favorite, and most reputable 4th grade-reading level newspaper.

[KDLarsen]

2. Now THAT is a slowhand if there ever was one..

9 years and 1½ months late, but you finally broke the story :eyes:

Here's a tip for ya: When the aircrafts struck the towers, jet fuel entered an express elevator shaft, fell all the way to the lobby level (and below), where the pressure caused it to ignite and explode, severely injuring people in the immediate vincinity.

[maddezmom]

3. Jack Kelley has some serious cred issues

http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-04-22-report-one_x.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-01-13-reporter_x.htm

[SDuderstadt]

5. That's okay...

so does D&P.

You'd best be careful, otherwise D&P will put you on "ignore".

[deconstruct911]

10. No kidding

driving bombs into the WTC was no longer an option since the FBI did it in 93.

[SDuderstadt]

4. If the "explosives in the basement" were...

set off at the same time the planes impacted the towers, wouldn't they have collapsed a lot sooner?

Duh.

[Ghost in the Machine]

6. Good point...

.. and a valid question.

Hope all is well with you and yours...


Peace,

Ghost

[SDuderstadt]

8. You bet, Ghost....

Headed to Valdosta the wk after Thanksgiving...too far away to get together, I assume...

[Ghost in the Machine]

12. Glad to hear it....

Valdosta is about a 7 hour (or more) trip for me... don't you ever get to Knoxville or Chattanooga area? Lol... long drives are not good for my neck and back..

[SDuderstadt]

13. I'll make it there someday...

buddy. I do get to Atlanta and Charlotte pretty regularly. We'll work something out.

[LARED]

7. Too funny

The video is obviouly a fake, yet D&P buys it hook line and sinker. What a hoot.

[deconstruct911]

9. or even CBS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpN26k7X5rQ

It's really funny, did they forget that was no longer an option since 93 when the FBI bombed it first???? There was an overwhelming amount of folks saying the ground was shaking, coming out of the lobby covered in blood, it was obvious they needed to come up with something to explain it.

[MX96391]

11. More crackpot theories

[defendandprotect]

14. Yes ... shame on FBI, CIA, and seismic reports -- !!!

:eyes:

[BeFree]

15. heh

Met a NY policeman who was in NYC that day. He saw it from a distance.

Ended up telling me that it was amazing how those pilots flew those planes so expertly.

And the bomb: He said the towers were designed to be brought down just the way they came down.

Heh.

[zappaman]

16. Heh

I know an actual airline pilot (not a policeman) who finds nothing amazing about how those pilots flew those planes.
And the bomb: He knows nothing about how the towers "were designed to be brought down just the way they came down"...just like the policeman you met.
Heh.

[BeFree]

17. hehe

Still here playing your stupid games eh?

Nothing better to do? Is it any wonder no one here likes you?

[zappaman]

20. hehe

still here posting things with no basis in fact?
No one here likes me?
How will I sleep at night knowing you don't like me?
:rofl:

[BeFree]

22. I notice you are stuck here

Never see you elsewhere.
So you just hang here and play your stupid game?

And that's how you manage? Have you no shame?

[zappaman]

24. Have you no shame?

Hey, I know a guy who lost someone in one of the planes that hit the towers.
Wanna come over, sit down and tell him your theories?
Or would a face-to-face be too scary for you?
Heh.

[BeFree]

25. Sure

I'd talk with him. Why not?

[zappaman]

26. Great

Start here...

http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/

or here...

http://www.911families.org/

Contact them and tell them you want to show them the "truth".
Start with the amazing story of the policeman you talked to. If that doesn't convince them, nothing will...

[BeFree]

27. heh

Who is this guy?

Why should it be 'scary' to talk to him?

[zappaman]

28. heh

A friend with a lot less tolerance than me when it comes to "truthers".
But start easy...I gave you some links.
Show them the "truth"....it's been 9 years, what are you waiting for?

[BeFree]

29. So

I should be scared of your friend? Why? What would he do?

[zappaman]

30. I didn't say that

I will say I think you are gutless.
Unless of course, you have actually talked about these wacky theories to someone who is in pain due to the events of that day.
Have you?
If so, I take back the gutless comment.
If not, I stand by it.

By the way, it's been 9 years...any closer to knowing "what really happened".
Maybe you could talk to some more random people on street corners.
:rofl:

[BeFree]

33. You said:

""A friend with a lot less tolerance than me when it comes to "truthers".""

Which, in my book, is a threat of violence from a friend of yours.



And gamester, do you have one fucking clue that there are many families that do FUCKING have their own different theories? Are you such a gutless wonder that you can't examine anything that isn't your own fucking theory?

Huh? Are you gutless or what?

[zappaman]

34. "Which, in my book, is a threat of violence from a friend of yours.

"Which, in my book, is a threat of violence from a friend of yours."
Get a new book.
and, of course, you didn't answer the question.
Again, why haven't you sat down and talked with a 9/11 family and presented your "theories"?
If not gutlessness, then what is preventing you?

EDITED for book suggestion...

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/02/03/david_aaronovitch_conspiracy_theories

[BeFree]

35. Tell your friend to come here

Is he scared to hear something that isn't his own theory?

I have listened to some family's theories.

And I'd be willing to listen to his.

Tell him the url. This is an invite. Tell him.

And you haven't answered the question: Are you so gutless you won't even listen to other theories?

[zappaman]

36. answer to your question

I have heard many "theories".
Why should I care about what a random guy you stopped on a street corner thinks?
Cuz he's a cop who happens to be an expert in building demolition?

My friend does not have a "theory".
He, like billions all over the world, knows what he saw with his own eyes.
He also knows that his cousin died on one of the flights.
Aren't you a"no-planer". Yeah, lots of evidence for that!!!
But, just keep making shit up...does this site and the democratic party a world of good.
Heh.
So, you contact those sites yet?

[BeFree]

37. But you show you care

You care what others think. Your presence here speaks louder than words. And, I guess, it eats you alive, what you read here.

I know what I saw with my own eyes. Like billions all over the world.

And, like them, I saw bushco lie cheat and steal and murder, and bomb and fuck up everything just like they fucked up 9/11.

Deal with it. Get some guts and stop your stupid games.

[zappaman]

38. "And, I guess, it eats you alive, what you read here."

:rofl:

[BeFree]

39. Why else?

The only possible reason I can see for your activities here is that you feel you must do something, anything, even if it as foolish as can be, to make up for the fact that you are being driven crazy by folks having different theories than yours.

[snooper2]

90. Some people come here for the laughs

FYI

:rofl:

[zappaman]

91. yep

and there is plenty of them...thanks in no small part to BEFREE.

[LARED]

45. Basically you're saying

because you hate Bush, you suspend reality to keep the hate alive.

Befree:

I know what I saw with my own eyes. Like billions all over the world. And, like them, I saw bushco lie cheat and steal and murder, and bomb and fuck up everything just like they fucked up 9/11.

[BeFree]

46. Get a life.

[mrarundale]

48. That was kind of illogical for you.

Sometimes you make helpful objective observations, which I've noticed from looking at old threads... But I don't see where BF says he "hates" Bush, just that they lied...(the Presidents are just reading scripts and they look as dumb/smart as the scriptwriters want them to, IMO)
As for blaming things on Bush...I think he was sort of set up as a scapegoat and it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't even know what was happening.(not to defend him; he literally got away with murder of our servicemen and civilians in the M.E..) 9-11 had to be "in the works" a lot earlier than Bush JR. And I always forget about the 1998 Iraq bombing, who was President then?... Lemme see, oh yeah....except the Iraq Liberation Act he signed didn't really say bombing so I don't really get who made that decision...

[zappaman]

49. THAT was illogical?

Here is some real logic...
my gardener says there is no way someone could fly a plane like we all saw on 9/11.
so it is obvious that either missiles disguised as planes or video trickery was used.
AND THE BOMB: the guy who delivers my mail says he used to live in NY and those buildings were designed to fall down exactly as they did!
what more evidence do you need?

[BeFree]

50. There's your problem

You have a real hard time accepting that anyone has a different opinion than you, and it eats you up and makes you act stupid.

[zappaman]

51. Heh

so it's just your OPINION that BUSHCO brought down the towers?
Its just your OPINION that there was controlled demolition?
That makes sense since you have zero evidence, so I guess those are just your opinions?
Good to know.
So, why are your trying to convince someone of your OPINIONS without facts.
Heh.

[BeFree]

52. Gawd damn

You finally fucking got something??

There is hope for you.

[zappaman]

53. heh

Yay for me!
You next?

[BeFree]

54. Yay for the rest of us

We may not have to wade thru much more of your bullshit, since you finally realized we are entitled to our opinions and won't have to read any more of your personal attacks because it eats you alive that someone sees it different than you.

[zappaman]

55. heh

It sure was nice to see you agree you have no FACTS...only OPINIONS.

[BeFree]

57. heh

There are many facts that support my opinions.

And my opinion of you is based on facts too.

Just because you don't want to see any of the facts, is not a problem. But your stupid games of trying to make fun of other posters while making a fool of yourself is sad.

[zappaman]

58. heh

You have facts to support your goofy beliefs?
Since when?
I will continue to heap ridicule and scorn on you and the rest of the "troofers" who get their panties in a bunch when someone calls them out on their bullshit opinions based on whatever "facts" they have pulled out of their ass.
9 years and counting Inspector Clouseau!

[BeFree]

59. heh

The only heap I see is you piling it on yourself.

You do know that you appear to hate most DUers who have opinions that are different from yours? That is not a good trait to have.

Your object to ""... continue to heap ridicule and scorn"" is not a progressive action. Nor is it liberal. But here you are.

Why, after 9 years are you so uncomfortable? It really is eating you up inside, eh?

[zappaman]

60. have all the opinions you want

It's your "theories" that are hilarious!
I'm very comfortable.
Why do you get your panties in a bunch when challenged?

Tell us why we should care what a cop you happened to run into thinks about the way the towers were designed and how they fell.
Is he a structural engineer in his spare time?
Or is an expert in controlled demolition?

Let's hear why you felt this encounter was THE BOMB.

[BeFree]

61. Why are you here?

Your attacks are anti-progressive.

You say there are no facts, and that is just plain bullshit. Yet you persist.

So, why are you here?

[zappaman]

62. I am here to express my opinion

that your opinions are not based on facts.
Which you have already admitted.

Again, tell me why a cop you met on the street corner knows about how the WTC was designed and how he knows it "fell like it was designed to".

Heh.

[BeFree]

63. Not based on facts?

See.... that's is where you fall flat and show you are just here to attack.

No facts? You deny that others have no facts? That's insane.

[zappaman]

64. why is this important?

I keep asking, you keep dodging...

"Met a NY policeman who was in NYC that day. He saw it from a distance.

Ended up telling me that it was amazing how those pilots flew those planes so expertly.

And the bomb: He said the towers were designed to be brought down just the way they came down.

Heh."

[BeFree]

65. Not real important to me

But it is eating you up. Hurts you deep, eh?

[zappaman]

66. If its not important

why did you say "HERE"S THE BOMB".
Sure sounds like you were attaching importance to it.
Guess you were just talking out your ass again.
Yes, it hurts me so deep that I can't stop :rofl:

[BeFree]

67. Towers

The designers had to consider the possibilities of what might happen when the towers eventually came down and the possible ensuing damage.

Bet you can't stop now.

[zappaman]

68. really?

then what?

[BeFree]

69. Keep digging

You're almost there.

I knew you couldn't stop.

[zappaman]

70. keep digging?

Again, tell me why I should care what a policeman you ran into on the corner says when it comes to how the planes are flown or how the buildings came down.
Is he an aviation expert?
Is he a controlled demolition expert?
Is he a structural engineer?
Why won't you tell me his credentials?
Weren't his words 'THE BOMB"?

:rofl:

[BeFree]

71. You shouldn't care

But you are obsessed, so here you are.

Really, it is weird, your obsession.

Keep digging.

[zappaman]

72. still no answer?

Why should YOU care what a policeman you ran into on the corner says when it comes to how the planes are flown or how the buildings came down.
Is he an aviation expert?
Is he a controlled demolition expert?
Is he a structural engineer?
Why won't you tell me his credentials?
Weren't his words 'THE BOMB"?

I guess you admit that your post was meaningless after all, heh?

:rofl:

[BeFree]

73. And what are you?

Why do you care?

Because it eats you up? Not my problem. Sad, but not my problem.

[zappaman]

74. still no answer?

Why should YOU care what a policeman you ran into on the corner says when it comes to how the planes are flown or how the buildings came down.
Is he an aviation expert?
Is he a controlled demolition expert?
Is he a structural engineer?
Why won't you tell me his credentials?
Weren't his words 'THE BOMB"?

I guess you admit that your post was meaningless after all, heh?

[BeFree]

75. Getting personal, eh?

Why should I care?

I think it's great that people are not willing to suck the OCT dick.

[zappaman]

76. not getting personal

just asking you some questions in regards to your post.
here they are again in case you missed them...


Why should YOU care what a policeman you ran into on the corner says when it comes to how the planes are flown or how the buildings came down?
Is he an aviation expert?
Is he a controlled demolition expert?
Is he a structural engineer?
Why won't you tell me his credentials?
Weren't his words 'THE BOMB"?

I guess you admit that your post was meaningless after all, heh?

[BeFree]

77. You are just a can of spam?

Why does it bother you so much?

Really, there are so many better things to do than spam this board... but here you are just a spam, spam, spamming your spam. Sad spam. Bad spam.

I think you made a mistake: you meant to enroll as spamaman? Bwahahaha

[zappaman]

78. still no answers?

Maybe you have a reading problem?
Anyway, here are the questions again and I look forward to your answers!

Why should ANYONE care what a policeman you ran into on the corner says when it comes to how the planes are flown or how the buildings came down.
Is he an aviation expert?
Is he a controlled demolition expert?
Is he a structural engineer?
Why won't you tell me his credentials?
Weren't his words 'THE BOMB"?

I guess you admit that your post was meaningless after all, heh?

[BeFree]

81. Actually, you are meaningless

And my mistake is letting you suck me

into thinking you wanted a serious discussion.

[zappaman]

82. a serious discussion would involve you answering

simple questions about your post.
why is that so difficult for you?

Here they are again in case you forgot them...

Why should ANYONE care what a policeman you ran into on the corner says when it comes to how the planes are flown or how the buildings came down.
Is he an aviation expert?
Is he a controlled demolition expert?
Is he a structural engineer?
Why won't you tell me his credentials?
Weren't his words 'THE BOMB"?

[BeFree]

83. Stop trying to suck me..

..into another meaningless discussion.

[zappaman]

84. stop avoiding the questions

I don't understand why you can't answer these simple questions about your post.

Maybe you missed them? Here they are again...

Why should ANYONE care what a policeman you ran into on the corner says when it comes to how the planes are flown or how the buildings came down.
Is he an aviation expert?
Is he a controlled demolition expert?
Is he a structural engineer?
Why won't you tell me his credentials?
Weren't his words 'THE BOMB"?

[mrarundale]

79. Why don't you do your own gardening?

Oh....because you spend all your time posting on DU. So gardeners and mail delivery people do not have valid opinions?

[zappaman]

80. yes

gardeners have valid opinions on gardening for sure.
controlled demolition? maybe not so much...
hello NO PLANER! How are you?

[deconstruct911]

85. So you don't agree humans can

have the ability to interpret information and draw conclusions???

[zappaman]

86. yes

sometimes they draw conclusions first, then try and find things to support their conclusions.
at least, that's what truthers do, tight?

[deconstruct911]

87. Considering your conclusion was drawn

when the 2nd plane hit.....

[zappaman]

88. nope

nice try though

[hack89]

31. I like him. nt

[zappaman]

32. now I will be able to sleep n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. Just how, exactly, do you know what this policeman knows and doesn't know?

Let me guess... you know more than anyone else does about anything, anywhere, right? Just like one of your kindred chattering squirrels here who thinks he knows more about what happened that day than people who were actually there....

"And the bomb: He knows nothing about how the towers "were designed to be brought down just the way they came down"...just like the policeman you met."

Please tell us all, in detail, how you know what this officer knows and doesn't know...

Thanks

[zappaman]

19. No how about you tell me what he knows?

The assertion is he must know how the building was brought down because he says so.
So, show me his credentials.
"Hey I talked to this guy and he knows that the building came down they way it did cuz it was designed to come down that way"
Burden of proof is on you and your fellow truthers, not me.
But I guess you can't do it...
Heh.

[Ghost in the Machine]

21. You're really ignorant about how things work, aren't you? YOU made the assertion

that the officer BeFree spoke of didn't know what he was talking about, so it's up to YOU to prove it.

"And the bomb: He knows nothing about how the towers "were designed to be brought down just the way they came down"...just like the policeman you met."

You are making the claim that you know this officer's educational background. You stated it rather matter of factly. Now prove it or admit that you were talking out of your ass...

[zappaman]

23. LOL

The assertion was made that a policeman know how the towers came down.
I assert that he doesn't.
Why is the burden of proof on me?
Prove to me how a policeman knows that "the buildings were designed to be brought down just the way they came down"?
Once you do that, then we can address my assertion.
I could also assert you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about...but I won't.
:rofl:

[Ghost in the Machine]

41. What you fail to understand, zappaman, is the fact that I didn't address BeFree...

I addressed YOU. Do you know the difference between yourself and someone else? Do you know your ass from a hole in the ground? Your answers may explain a lot about your childish behavior, your inability to engage in a civil discussion and your inability to contribute anything but nuisance/distraction to this site.

My comment was specifically to *YOU*, zappaman, not BeFree, Santa Clause or anyone else but *YOU*, zappaman. Can you comprehend that now, or do I need to spell it out clearer? *YOU* made an assertion:

"And the bomb: He knows nothing about how the towers "were designed to be brought down just the way they came down"...just like the policeman you met."

Do you see your assertion now? Good! Now I will ask you again: How do you know what this officer knows and doesn't know? What, exactly, do you know about his educational background, given the fact that he wasn't even identified. How do you know he didn't major in Criminal Justice or Law Enforcement and minor in Structural Engineering, or vice versa? Prove your assertion or admit that you don't know what you're talking about.

As for your "actual airline pilot", you might want to tell him that some people disagree with him, too:

"The maneuver was in fact so precisely executed that the air traffic controllers at Dulles refused to believe the blip on their screen was a commercial airliner. Danielle O'Brian, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25 said, 'The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.'" (ABC News, 10/24/2001, also archived at www.cooperativeresearch.org)"

Don't let that last part distract or confuse you though, just focus on proving your assertion, ok?

Thanks in advance...

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[greyl]

42. What's his name? nt

[greyl]

40. I wonder why "they" abandoned the plan to frame Al Qaeda for planting those alleged explosives.

Don't you?
I mean, does it actually make the least bit of sense to you?

[KDLarsen]

56. Maybe they investigated it and found there weren't any?

I mean, god forbid there was a slight amount of confusion in the early hours, as to what exactly had happened.

[mrarundale]

47. That would explain why the contemporaneous FBI 9-11 notes

refer to the "Twin Tower Bombings" dated 9-14-2001...So this is not really new, we're just hearing about it now maybe as a revisionist history attempt.

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[mrarundale]

93. "Major Explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse"

on tape....at about 18:46. Look at Von Essen's face during this interview. There is something fishy about the firefighter testimonies published in the NYTimes if this is the guy who put them together....