The best of you, 9/11 scam edition

[spooked911]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONxbUcH_n4

[zappaman]

1. heh

The FOO FIGHTERS should sue.

[mrarundale]

2. I can never figure out

why whoever faked the plane footage didn't do a better job. Maybe the plan got switched from bombs to planes at the last minute...

[zappaman]

3. good point

yeah, why didn't they do a better job faking the plane footage?
Maybe they were in a rush to grab some lunch?

[NYMdaveNYI]

4. The fakery was impeccable...

The fake, greenscreen plane I saw from my apartment window was extremely realistic.

It even made noise, and exploded into the South Tower...

These main-stream-media-plane-fakery folks get better everyday!

[Iggo]

5. Holograms! FUCK YEAH!

[spooked911]

6. I'm not sure what you saw

but the footage is fake, no question

[SDuderstadt]

7. He's mocking you, dude...

your tone-deafness is nothing short of remarkable.

[spooked911]

95. OH REALLY????

GEE I HAD NO FUCKING IDEA HE WAS MOCKING ME. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING.

[SDuderstadt]

96. Gee...

calm down, dude. Please don't have another meltdown.

[zappaman]

97. green screens

Only someone with a tenuous grasp on reality would actually think they could have been used that day.
:rofl:

[sabbat hunter]

196. so what exactly

did a friend of mine who was an NYU studend see then when he saw the second plane hit the south tower?

[seatnineb]

8. You are nothing more than ananonymouse poster who claims

....to have seen the plane.

You have come out 10 years late and we are supposed to fucking believe you?

Nice try with the "I am a LIHOPER" so that makes me credible line.

All we have is your word that you say where you were when you saw the plane.

Which is nothing.

Unlike NY daily times foto journalist David Handshuh:

Who like you was also south of the WTC on west street and right underneath the supposed same plane that you saw......except......he never saw it:


In the words of David Handschuh:
Then out of nowhere came this noise. This loud, high-pitched roar that seemed to come from all over, but from nowhere in particular. AND THE SECOND TOWER JUST EXPLODED. It became amazingly obvious to anyone there that what we all had hoped was a terrible accident was actually an overt act of hostility. I DIDN'T SEE THE PLANE HIT,ALTHOUGH I WAS LOOKING AT THE TOWER AT THE TIME. I have no recollection of pushing the button, hitting the shutter, making the picture that appeared on Page 2 of the Daily News the next day, a picture that was taken milliseconds after the second plane hit that tower.
http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?ID=4318



...but unlike you he has proof of where he was courtesy of this foto he took as it was happening:



I will take him over you and your anonymouse "witness" friends...any fuckin' time.

[LARED]

9. Well, it's nice to know you are still beating that dead horse

Welcome back.

[seatnineb]

10. The dead horse is all yours mate......

So my anonymouse friend....

How many friends of yours were on that roof watching 175 approach ?

Was it 12 friends....

In the words of LARED:
Thu Dec-15-05 02:39 PM
I know A DOZEN people working in NJ that were watching the WTC fire from a roof top in Bayonne as the that plane passed overhead.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


...or 24 friends!:


Sat Mar-20-04 08:47 PM
I personally know ABOUT 2 DOZEN PEOPLE that watched flight 175 fly over their place of business in NJ and then saw it crash into the WTC. So unless holgrams can travel four or five miles and make really really loud noise, you've entered fantasy land.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



And did your anonymouse friends see it approach from 4 miles away:

In the words of LARED:
Thu Apr-14-05 11:35 PM
I'd guess 4 to 5 miles away. Right on end of 22nd Street.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



..or wait....was it 2 miles:

In the words of LARED:
Thu Dec-15-05 02:39 PM
They are located about 1.5 to 2 miles away from the WTC and watched it impact the building.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Make up your anonymouse mind!

Might depend on which ever mood you are in.

[LARED]

81. I see you are showing off your dead horse beating credentials

So flail away. It's amusing.

[seatnineb]

100. The fact that you can't get your friend's 9/11 testimony straight is something

...i am only too happy to show people over and over again.

[OnTheOtherHand]

103. sillier and sillier

Just how many people were on the roof that morning?! How many of those people does LARED really consider friends, and why can't he keep his story straight?! Why didn't he check a website to measure the linear distance and then memorize the answer?! All of this is Highly Suspicious. Not.

[seatnineb]

104. LARED obviously has no idea of how many friends he has

...or how far away they were.

Which is why he is inconsistent in describing their testimony

[OnTheOtherHand]

133. are you equipped with a Google Earth implant, or what?

Why would you expect anyone to know the crow's-flight distance from a particular point in Bayonne to Ground Zero? Basically, the Twin Towers looked pretty damn big no matter where one saw them from.

[seatnineb]

138. 12 friends is 12 friends------24 friends is 24 friends

5 miles away is 5 miles away.

2 miles is 2 miles away.

LARED can't keep his story straight.

[SDuderstadt]

139. I don't think anyone wants to...

play with you anymore, dude.

Maybe you could practice your hobby and find some "humans" to "relate" to. Are they far from your planet?

[seatnineb]

142. In other words you can't stomach a beating...fair enough

[SDuderstadt]

144. You again...

dude, why don't you take your imaginary victory lap, then e-mail Handschuh and ask him why he's not a "no-planer"?

In the meantime, I have an appointment here on Earth, so I'll leave it others to kick you around.

[seatnineb]

146. I Already did email him...3 years ago.

And he told me he should have seen it and that it was strange that he did not.

But don't believe me....go ahead and ask him yourself.....but I bet you don't have the balls.

[SDuderstadt]

147. Dude...

yet, he's not a "no-planer", is he...why is that?

And, if you have any balls, why don't you post his e-mail verbatim? I'm willing to bet it's because it would contradict your "account" of what he said.

[seatnineb]

148. He is a no -plane witness....but you knew that already

You wanna find out the truth about what he saw.

Email him:

[e-mail]

Or are you a coward?

[SDuderstadt]

150. Dude...

he is not a "no-plane" witness or he would be speaking out about it.

Failing to see the plane is not the same thing as seeing something happen from a totally different cause.This is getting dumber by the moment. Unless you can produce the actual e-mail from Handschuh, you're asking us to take your word for it. Yet, you won't take at least three other members' words for it.

Tu quo, dude?

[seatnineb]

151. Failing to see the plane.....when you are right underneath it?????

...and when you are looking in the right direction.



Even if I produce the email right here.....I could still be making it up.....right?

Why should you believe me....I am anonymous just like all your other anonymous mates around here.

LO fuckin' L!!!!

But Handshuh's email address.....now that's 100% real.

You lied(ahem..joked) that you emailed him 2 years ago.

Now how bout' developing some balls and actually emailing him......that is why I posted Handshuh's real email address so you can find out for yourself.

But you don't have the guts do you....you would rather believe Zappaman's mate in all his anonymous glory....

[SDuderstadt]

152. Dude...

you expected us to believe you when you claimed to have e-mailed him, so I was poking fun at you, in the manner of, "if you can claim it, so can I". It went right over your head, as we might expect.

The question you can't (and won't) answer, is why Handschuh is not a "no-planer". There are literally hundreds of direct eyewitness accounts (for example, first responders) who DID see the second plane, something you conveniently ignore. When you look at all the evidence, your pathetic attempt at quote-mining is rendered laughable.

With that, I'm done, dude, except to remind you that you won't post this supposed e-mail so we can see how you've twisted what he actually said.

[seatnineb]

155. No dude...you are wrong

I knew full fuckin' well that you were taking the piss when you said that you had emailed Handshuh.
It's why I LOLed you at the time.

I know you are nothing more than an anonymous internet keyboardist who does not have the guts to email him because you know that his all too real testimony contradicts your version of what you believe had happened that day.

Handshuh is a no plane witness.He did not see it when he should have done.
But don't believe me....ask him.

As for some of the anonymous hordes who did see(ahem--claimed to have seen) the plane......
Some of them talk absolute drivel:

Like this one:

I saw the 2nd plane, it was coming strait from the river, over the smoke and it was going very fast. It looked like it was about to hit the tower again. Except when it got closer it made contact with the South tower. THen it exploded into a humongues fireball! It kind of looked like there was a missle attached to the belly of the plane, or some thing that wasn't ment to be there. And the plane went right into like it was nothing. Right into it before it exploded. I'm still trying to wonder what that thing was that was on the bottom of the aircraft.
W, Apr 13, 05
http://www.laurasmidiheaven.com/world-trade-center

So you castigate 911 truthers who believe in a pod/misile being under the plane.
Are you gonna castigate the above anonymous bullshitting witness who saw the pod/missile with his own eyes?

In the meantime I will take Handshuh's testimony over the above witness anytime.

And you are so pathetic....you claim that I have twisted Handshuh's testimony yet you don't have the fuckin guts to email Handshuh to find out.....which means you know I am telling the truth.

[SDuderstadt]

160. Why don't you post his e-mail...

dude?

BTW, I'm not going to waste any more time on your goofy "no-planes" bullshit. It's not like anyone is buying it.

Bye.

[seatnineb]

168. Because even if I post it why should you or anyone believe it?

It is like flip sides of the same coin.

You probably believe the anonymous Zappaman's mate's testimony without really knowing whether he is telling the truth or not...but you accept it because his version of events suits yours.

Deal with it...there are witnesses out there(like Handshuh) who did not see......what you would like them to have seen.

[SDuderstadt]

169. Dude...

By all rights, then, Handschuh should be a "no-planer", but he's not. Why is that?

And, you won't post his e-mail because you never e-mailed him. No one believes anything you say, anyhow.

Bye, dude.

[seatnineb]

176. No dude...you are wrong.

I did email him.
I did contact him.

If you want proof of that then contact him yourself.

If I had something to hide I would not be asking you to email him.

Try harder dude....i am not even breaking a sweat debunking your lame ass.

[SDuderstadt]

177. It's not up to me to prove...

YOUR claim, dude.

[zappaman]

180. Why can't you show us his email, mate?

Did you lose it, mate?
Did the dog eat it, mate?
Was it destroyed by a controlled demolition, mate?
Did an" anonymouse" friend borrow it and not return it, mate?
Surely, you must have a good reason for not showing us this amazing revelation, right mate?
:rofl:

[NYMdaveNYI]

192. Sounds kinda ananonymouse to me, matey!! nt

[seatnineb]

199. I can show you his email address...which is more

...than you can with regard's to your mate's anonymous testimony!

Try harder.

[zappaman]

203. wow

you can show me his email address?
LOL!
Show us the email, mate!

[seatnineb]

215. Just email him.....and then you can find out what our email

..exchange was about!

Can't be difficult...huh?

[zappaman]

224. LOL, mate!

LOL!
You don't have it, eh mate?
How sad that you made it up, mate.
Bye!

[SDuderstadt]

208. I easily found handschuh's e-mail address...

from his website.

Duh.

[seatnineb]

214. Then email him and try and convince him that he was looking in

...the wrong direction!

[zappaman]

225. don't have an email, mate?

Guess you lied, eh mate?
LOL!

[seatnineb]

246. If you think i am lying...then prove it.

Email and Handshuh and ask him whether I lied or not.

But you can't....just like you can't prove that your mate saw the plane.

[zappaman]

193. still waiting for that email, mate.

having difficulty finding it, mate?

[OnTheOtherHand]

154. as seems common, you are missing the point

You say that Handshuh wrote you that he thinks it's strange that he didn't see the plane.

Assuming that that's true, so what? Why on earth would you think it's a test of SDuderstadt's manliness to see if he gets the same response?

You may be doomed to go through life wondering why no one else buys the arguments that convince you.

[seatnineb]

156. Yeah I know.....so what if someone who was in a perfect position

..to see the plane ...did not see it.Some one who is real(and has a real track record)...and can prove he was really there.

But no......

It is much better to believe anonymous internet forum posters like Zappaman and LARED....who can't provide one shred of fuckin proof that his friend(s) saw the 2nd plane.

[zappaman]

157. Can you present one

shred of fuckin proof that my friend DIDN'T see the second plane, mate?
Stop taking the piss, mate and do something real with yourself, mate!
:rofl:

[seatnineb]

158. Yeah....because you got NO PROOF that your mate saw that plane.

Show it dude.

Or is your mate one of these lying toss pots.....whose own testimony contradicts the videos featuring the plane's final approach.


A colleague who earlier had been standing at the window of an adjoining conference room saw the second jet as it approached the south tower from a distance much further out than is commonly seen on videotapes shown on TV. He told me with great emphasis how at first glance the jet's port wing was pointing almost straight down to the ground while the starboard wing pointed almost straight up.
9/11 Commission Report
With Alternative Recommendations
for Positive Change
by Stephen M. St. John
A Citizen Of The USA
2-1-5
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=174346

Now find me a video which shows ua175's port wing pointing almost straight down to the ground while the starboard wing is pointed almost straight up

Oh yeah....you can't.

And believe me you can't....I know every plane video that has been released to the public like the back of my hand.

It is when someone lies ...that you get these kinds of inconsistencies.

[zappaman]

161. LOL

You can't answer the simple question, mate.
Try again, mate.
I'll put it in CAPS so you're sure to see it, mate.

WHY WOULD MY FRIEND OR THE HUNDREDS OF EYEWITNESSES LIE THAT THEY SAW A PLANE HIT THE WTC?

I'm waiting, mate.

[seatnineb]

162. can you read?....they lied because they have an agenda...

As to why they have that agenda....who knows.

In the meantime....did your mate see any other planes in the area:



Did not think so.

[zappaman]

163. You're right, mate.

There really is no motive for them to lie, is there mate?
Kinda helps make the whole "no plane" theory fall apart, don't it mate?
Well, that and all the physical evidence, right mate?
Since we now agree my friend and those hundreds of eyewitnesses aren't lying, mate, can we talk about why someone would believe no planes hit the WTC, mate?
Do you reckon it's some sort of psychological malfunction, mate?
Frankly, I think the people who believe the silly nonsense of "no-planes" are in fact, government employees, mate.
Don't you, mate?
You reckon they're having a laugh. mate?

[seatnineb]

167. You and your mate believe in the official story----that's your motive.

See .....not that difficult was it

[zappaman]

171. that's not motive, mate

try again, mate.
do you need someone to define "motive" for you, mate?

[seatnineb]

173. Maybe I need to define motive for you.

But you already know what it means.

BTW

Still got NO FUCKIN evidence of your mate's testimony.

Did not think so.

[zappaman]

175. still no evidence of you email to Handschuh, mate?

Still got NO FUCKIN evidence you ever emailed him, mate.
Did not think so, mate.

[seatnineb]

178. LOL!!!.......That is why I gave his email address to you.

If I never emailed him then I would hardly be giving his email address to you.... right?

Now how bout' providing some real testimony from your anonymous mate.

Oh yeah....you can't.

[zappaman]

179. LOL, mate?

How about you show us your email and his response, mate?
You afraid, mate?
What are you afraid of, mate?
Just post it...mate.

[SDuderstadt]

181. It's pretty clear that...

seatnineb is afraid that if he posts the actual e-mail and response, we'll see that he is misrepresenting it or that we can e-mail it to Handschuh, who will reply back that seatnineb edited it.

[zappaman]

182. Nah, he's just looking for it.

I'm sure once he finds it, he'll post it here.
Otherwise, he'd just be lying and I know he wouldn't do that now, would he?

[seatnineb]

202. Yeah....I know your anonymous mate's testimony is not a lie

....oh wait

There is no proof of your anonymous mate's testimony.

[zappaman]

204. your words, mate

"I Already did email him...3 years ago.

And he told me he should have seen it and that it was strange that he did not.

But don't believe me....go ahead and ask him yourself.....but I bet you don't have the balls"

Where's the email, mate?
Did you just make it up, mate?

Your words again...

"YOU GOT FUCKIN NOTHING AND YOU KNOW IT!"

[seatnineb]

251. If I made it up......should be easy for you to prove that I made it up...

....by asking Handshuh himself.

Oh yeah...you can't

[zappaman]

253. LOL, mate!

Love watching you dance since you obviously lied about your email, mate?
You claimed, you prove it, mate.
Doesn't matter anymore anyway since it's obvious you made it up, mate!
:rofl:

[seatnineb]

186. Yeah I am so afraid...that I am actually asking you to email him

....and find out for yourself!

You really are embarassing yourself.

[SDuderstadt]

187. Really?

then why is everyone laughing at you?

Serious question: are you channeling PeeWee Herman?

[seatnineb]

188. You don't have a fuckin' aurgument mate

If I have anything to hide I would not be asking you to email him would I?

[SDuderstadt]

189. If you didn't have anything to hide...

you'd produce the e-mail.

[seatnineb]

197. No mate...if I had something to hide i would not give you his

...email address!

[SDuderstadt]

209. Which proves nothing more than...

you have his e-mall address, which anyone can find by simply going to his website.

If you didn't have something to hide, you'd provide the e-mail itself. I love it when you fall into traps YOU set, dude.

[seatnineb]

217. No dude.

If I had something to hide Iwould not ask you to email him.

[SDuderstadt]

220. Wrong, dude...

Checkmate, "mate".

Too funny.

[seatnineb]

236. Yeah you and Zappaman are a great comedic duo

[SDuderstadt]

239. Only because you're such a good...

straightman and say such stupid things, dude.

How do you say "goodbye" on your planet?

[seatnineb]

249. You just described yourself!

[zappaman]

226. nah, mate

You have nothing to hide cuz you have NOTHING!!!
No email, eh mate?
Guess you were "mistaken" about that email, eh mate?
LOL!

[seatnineb]

250. Give us some fuckin proof that your friend saw that plane

But you can't

[seatnineb]

185. No mate...i am not gonna show you the email.

Even if I did you would not believe it anyway.


The only way for you to find out is to email Handshuh and ask him yourself:


In the meantime...eat some more of his testimony:

"Then this noise filled the air that sounded like a high-pressure gas line had been ruptured. It seemed to come from all over, not one direction. Everyone was looking around thinking, "What was that?" And the second tower explodes."
http://www.popphoto.com/inamericanphotomagazine/2972/david-handschuh-capturing-history-and-heroism.html

I never knew planes sound like ruptured gas lines....

Planes sound like planes.

[zappaman]

190. Why not, mate?

I would believe it.
I believe everything including the my anonymouse friend who is lying about seeing a plane impact the WTC, remember mate?
So let's see it already?
What are you afraid of?

[seatnineb]

201. So you would believe Handshuh when he tells you

....that he found it strange when he did not see the plane when he should have?

That is what he told me.

But don't believe me....ask him yourself.

I gave you his email address.

What are you afraid of?

[zappaman]

207. now that you've admitted you can't present this email you have

claimed to have sent him, why not do some reading?

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/review.html

[seatnineb]

216. Read that along time ago mate.....

I actually agree with some of his analysis.

But he is way off base with some stuff.

[zappaman]

228. I emailed him, mate!

And he said he was making it all up, mate.
See, I can make up emails just like you, mate!
LOL!

[seatnineb]

230. Lol!...i should call you funnyman rather than zappaman-lol!

[zappaman]

231. OK!

But only if I can call you liarinseatnineb, mate!

[seatnineb]

238. The only way for you to prove that I am lying(which you can't-because I am telling the truth))

...is to email Handshuh.

[zappaman]

242. wrong

the proof is on you, liar...I mean mate!
You claimed it, now back it up, mate.
Why can't you, mate?

[seatnineb]

247. If I am such a liar...should be easy to prove!!!!

Email Handshuh and prove I am a liar!

Oh wait....you can't

[zappaman]

254. blah blah blah mate

you lied.
:rofl:

[seatnineb]

255. If you think I lied you can prove it by emailing Handshuh

But as for your lying mate's testimony..... THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE IT BEING TRUE!!

Big difference ...mate.

[SDuderstadt]

210. Yet he's not a "no-planer"...

Also, if you look at the photo he took of the crash, it stands to reason he would be putting the camera up to his face and just missed seeing the plane. Duh.

[Name removed]

232. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[seatnineb]

237. He photographed the explosion about 3 seconds in.

[OnTheOtherHand]

164. he was in far from a perfect position to see the plane

Have you ever even visited New York City? You don't seem to have much comprehension of tall buildings. He would probably have some fraction of a second to track the plane. It would have been much easier for someone farther away.

Since you're in the habit of discounting visual documentary evidence, your complaint that the posters here can't present photos is hard to fathom.

[seatnineb]

166. I agree that he would have had a fraction of a second to see

...the plane.

But the plane was not moving at the speed of light!

But if he was looking in the right place....he would have seen it.

That is what he told me.

But if you don't believe me(which is fine---I am anonymous after all)....ask him yourself.

Can't be difficult can it?

[OnTheOtherHand]

172. do you think you have a point?

I actually believe that if he were looking in the right place, he would have seen it. I assume that he believes that, too.

You, apparently, believe that he wouldn't have, because there wasn't actually a plane. So, I agree with "your" eyewitness and disagree with you. Why would you think I have anything further to ask of him?

[seatnineb]

174. But he was looking in the right place!!!

Therefore he should have seen it.

If you want to prove me wrong(which you can't anyway)...becuase you obviously believe that he was not looking in the right place.....

Then email him....and try and convince him he was looking in the wrong place.

Good luck.

You will need it.

[OnTheOtherHand]

183. as I pointed out, he and I agree

You're the one who needs the luck.

"Looking in the right place" isn't quite as straightforward as you purport to believe. A few days ago I couldn't spot a water fountain that I was basically staring straight at -- and it wasn't crossing my field of vision at hundreds of miles an hour, nor was I using a camera at the time.

Your error here seems akin to your apparent assumption that LARED should have had a consistent answer about the linear distance from an address in Bayonne to Ground Zero. If you really don't understand this, then I would guess that you are very often puzzled by other people's behavior. Interesting, but I doubt that I can help.

[seatnineb]

184. LOL!!...maybe you are blind!

You don't have an aurgument and you know it.

[OnTheOtherHand]

194. in your dreams

It really isn't our fault that you don't understand what anyone tells you.

[seatnineb]

200. Yeah...you keep believing in Zappaman's anonymous mate's testimony

You'll sleep better.

[zappaman]

205. yeah....you keep believing in that email you made up

:rofl:

[seatnineb]

240. Ask Handshuh if i made it up.....oh yeah...you don't have the balls.

Meanwhile absolutely nothing concrete from your mate who saw the plane.

[zappaman]

243. wow it sure would take balls to email him, eh mate?

You know what would take balls, mate?
You posting the email Handshuh sent you, mate.
You haven't, so either you have no balls or you are lying, mate.
Which is it?
:rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

211. There are hundreds of other direct witnesses...

you can read their statements in the 1st responders' oral histories, dude.

[seatnineb]

241. Already read them years ago mate....

Take these firemen.....they were in Brooklyn...yet they claim that 175 roared OVER their heads:

When he was still on the BROOKLYN side, his company saw the second plane roar over their heads, “It sounded like a freight train,” he said. They watched that plane plow into Tower No. 2.

http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?ID=3426

Question dude...

How can firemen in Brooklyn say the plane roared over their heads......when(according to the videos)....flight 175 NEVER flew over Brooklyn.

[zappaman]

195. LOL, mate!

You've been asked repeatedly to produce an email you claimed to have, mate.
You got nothing and you know it, mate.

[seatnineb]

198. I cannot prove to you that I emailed him on this forum...

Which I is why I gave you his email address.

You on the other hand cannot prove your mate's testimony at all.

That is a big difference.

[zappaman]

206. you finally admit you can't prove it

cuz you made it up, right mate?
:rofl:

[seatnineb]

229. If so sure of your conviction

.....that I did not email him and that he was looking in the wrong place.....why don't you email him.

And whilst you are at it.....any type of proof at all that your mate saw the plane.

Did not think so.

[SDuderstadt]

212. What bullshit, dude...

since you've abandoned any pretense that you can prove you e-mailed Handschuh, you should drop your demand that Z-man proves his friend's account.

Unless, of course, you don't mind continuing to embarrass yourself here.

[zappaman]

213. but if I can't prove my friend saw it...

then it proves there were no planes!!!
:rofl:

[seatnineb]

219. No it just proves that your friend saw jack shit.

[zappaman]

227. where's the email, mate?

Don't exist, does it mate?
LOL!

[seatnineb]

218. No the bullshit is yours

Like claiming that you emailed Handshuh when you did not(oh yeah you were joking).

[SDuderstadt]

221. For the last time, dude...

I was pointing out that anyone can CLAIM to have done something. Your claim is entirely self-referential. I was mocking you, dude.

You've been forced to admit you can't prove that you e-mailed him and you steadfastly refuse to provide the e-mail you claim to have sent and received. What's truly amazing is that you continue to bluster and flail all about . Bye, dude.

[seatnineb]

222. No mate....you keep obscuring one thing

If I am making up the claim.......then all you have to do is email handshuh himself and prove that I did not email him.

That is the opportunity that I gave you(hell even you said you could find his email address)

If I had not really emailed him(or distorted) what he told me.....I would hardly be asking you to email him and verify it for yourself.

If anyone is flailng around it is you.

[SDuderstadt]

223. Dude...

you keep embarrassing yourself and I'm not going to e-mail Handschuh and ask him why he's NOT a "no-planer". That's YOUR problem, dude.

Adios. Get it?

[seatnineb]

233. Fine...then email handshuh and tell him he was looking in the wrong place

.....good luck!

Which is the reason why you think he did not se the plane.

[SDuderstadt]

234. Apparently, the word...

"adios" confuses you.

[seatnineb]

235. LOL!!----you are the one who keeps saying it.....yet you come back

.....for more!

You perpetually contradict yourself.....just like the 9/11 official story.

[zappaman]

244. why can't you show the email, mate?

did you make it up, mate?
no balls, eh mate?

[seatnineb]

248. Even if I post it....you will still call me a liar

If I don't post it...you still call me a liar.

But the catch is that you can verify it all for yourself by emailing Handshuh.

Wheras THERE IS NO WAY of verifying whether your friend is telling the truth about seeing the plane.

Big difference mate!

[SDuderstadt]

140. Hey...

when did THOSE come out? I thought I had all the latest high-tech gear.

[NYMdaveNYI]

11. Sigh, he's right, I'm just an "ananony-mouse"

In fact, my job title is "Anonymous Bush-Co plant"

The Bildberg Group, Larry Silverstein and the NWO sign my paychecks...

But now that my cover's been blown, they might, I don't know, "pull it."

[SDuderstadt]

12. I thought...

the Bilderberg Group and the NWO both had non-compete clauses. How did you get around them?

[NYMdaveNYI]

13. I took it up with...

the Illuminati Workers' Union, and they got both employers to nullify that rule.


And yea, we only unionized a few years back.

[seatnineb]

16. Why don't the Illumanti unions let you go on strike once in a while

....take LARED

He has not had a day off in 10 years.

He is tired.

Probably explains why he cannot keep his "friend's witness testimony" straight.

[seatnineb]

15. Do those clauses stipulate that you should always evade an aurgument

Because you are honouring that part quite admirably.

[SDuderstadt]

17. WTF...

are you babbling about now?

[seatnineb]

19. Geez dude...you are so easy to "handle".

Is this really the best you"debunkers" have got?

Come on...give me something to think about.

[SDuderstadt]

22. I didn't think...

you'd know WTF you're babbling about.

[seatnineb]

26. Well you thought wrong....as usual....looks like the Illumanati

..will have to re-recruit.....and off load incompetents like your-self.

[SDuderstadt]

33. Hopefully during that period of time...

you'll figure out how to spell "Illumination". Heck, maybe you'll figure out how to spell at all.

[seatnineb]

35. It figures that you are more interested in my spelling than in 9/11.

But hey...I am not surprised.

[SDuderstadt]

37. Stupid either/or argument...

I'm quite interested in 9/11...I'm just not interested in your "no-planes" bullshit.

[seatnineb]

38. You are not interested in no-planes...yet you participate in no-plane

.... threads here on DU.

Do those Illuminati protocols also stipulate that you should behave in a contradictory way?

[SDuderstadt]

44. Exposing stupidity is...

always fun, dude.

[seatnineb]

49. Sure is...so I will only be too happy to expose yours

[SDuderstadt]

53. Says the "no-planer"...

too funny.

[seatnineb]

59. With each extra post that you that contribute to this thread

You contradict yourself more.

You are not interested in no planes yet you like to interact in no-plane threads.
Just admit it dude....you are interested in no-planes...or at least trying to debunk it.

I emphasize the word try....but you are incapable of even that.

[SDuderstadt]

62. I don't need to "debunk"...

"no-planes", dude. It's your assertion. You need to prove it.

Even the vast majority of the "truth movement" rejects your goofy bullshit.

[seatnineb]

64. So you can't debunk it in other words.

There are witnesses who did not see the plane when they should have....and have fotographic evidence to prove where they were ...when they were.

Debunk them...if you can.

Starting with Handshuh.

[SDuderstadt]

68. Simple question...

dude. Why isn't Handschuh a "no-planer"? In fact, in the quote you are trying to mine, he makes explicit reference to the plane hitting the tower.

I don't know what day of the week it is on your planet, but it's a beautiful Sunday here. I'm not going to waste it "debating" your goofy bullshit delusion.

[seatnineb]

73. He makes an explicit reference to the plane hitting the tower?

He makes a reference to a plane because somebody told him it was a plane:

I had no idea what it was(noise from supposed plane) and then the south tower just exploded, it just, it just, it just blew up, and somebody said "that was a plane",
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B3HCwJhZaY0

But it does not change the fact that he never saw it when he should have.

[seatnineb]

39. BTW...your mate( NYMdaveNYI ) just said he could not take fotos of 9/11

...because his I-phone was charging...despite the fact that iphones did not arrive into the public domain until 2007......got any opinions on that?

Come on don't run away.

[SDuderstadt]

45. He was spoofing you...

dude. Duh.

[seatnineb]

48. Really....is that what real witnesses do...they "spoof" people

...I said....I am not surprised.

[SDuderstadt]

51. You should hardly be surprised that...

people spoof your goofy bullshit.

Oh, wait...let me say it in a way that you'll understand better:

Youe shoulde hardlye bee surprisede thate peoplee spoofe youre goofye bullshite.

[NYMdaveNYI]

54. I NO HAZ NUN FOTOSE EITHIER. nt

[seatnineb]

57. Umm no ...goofy bullshit is when you claim to have contacted Handshuh

SDuderstadt
Wed Dec-24-08 07:55 PM

" I e-mailed him(Handshuh) and he said he was not looking up."
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=229695&mesg_id=230680

...when you never really did.

Now that is not just goofy bullshit....it is also called outright lying.
Something you seem to be quite comfortable with.

[NYMdaveNYI]

61. WHERE do you find this shit? That’s from December ’08!!! nt

[seatnineb]

66. yeah.....and it proves SDuderstadt did not contact Handshuh

Oh yeah...I forgot...he was trying to spoof me.

I guess it is quite pathetic when all the debunkers have at their disposal is nothing more than an inconsequential "spoof".

[SDuderstadt]

70. No, dude...

it proves you are too cognitively challenged to recognize when someone is parodying you. Duh.

[NYMdaveNYI]

72. The CIA gave

me one of their secret, exclusive iPhones in 2001, it wasn’t released into the public domain, as seat9b points out, until 2007.

[seatnineb]

74. It just proves you are good at telling jokes about seeing the plane hit the building

[NYMdaveNYI]

80. Not sure if I already told you,

But I work for the Mayor's office.

And you've convinced me enough that tomorrow, when I walk in, I'm gonna march upstairs and tell Mayor Bloomberg that New York has NOTHING to worry about any longer! For 9/11 was a big fat fuckin' hoax!

Hell, I'll schedule him a big press conference so he can tell the surviving NYPD & FDNY first responders, and the families of the ones who died, that it was all a hoax!

Better yet, dude, you should come up to New York and I'll bring YOU into Bloomberg's office, so you, the expert, can show him your amazing proof of the hoax.
After that, I'll have you call up my friend Mitch, and you can tell him that his grandparents WEREN'T really on flight 77. He'd be relieved.

[seatnineb]

82. Just words dude..you got fucking nothing...now stop being a cry baby...

...and bring something conclusive to the table.

And whilst you are at it:

Tell Bloomberg about this:


Bill to aid sick 9/11 responders fails in House
By Andrew Miga and David B. Caruso
Associated Press Writers / July 29, 2010
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/07/29/aid_options_dwindle_for_sick_911_responders/

Now that is disrespectful.

[NYMdaveNYI]

84. I know damn well about that bill.

I should call up Anthony Wiener and tell him not to get so worked up about the bill, because the government is at fault for 9/11 in the first place...

[NYMdaveNYI]

86. I cant wait for Mayor Bloomberg’s reaction tomorrow...

He gets a phone call:

“Mr. Mayor, office bitch #4 wants to see you,”

“About what?”

“Oh, he’s got proof that there were no planes on 9/11.”

“Is that so?”

“Yes. He says New York should stop worrying about future attacks.”

------

Ya think office bitch #4 still has a job on Tuesday?

[seatnineb]

116. Umm....you said you were a lihoper......

Why don't you run to your mayor and tell him that you think the U.S goverment let 9/11 happen on purpose.....if you got the guts.

[NYMdaveNYI]

122. Yes, I believe that...

There MAY HAVE BEEN some deliberate negligence on the part of the Bush administration when it came to dealing with the threat of Al Qaida...


Then again, it's also possible that sheer incompetence and a failure to relay information between intelligence agencies (something we continually see) led to the attacks...

And, telling Mayor Bloomberg that his predecessor, Mr. Giuliani, was part of some "complex conspiracy" would be just as offensive as telling a holocaust survivor the Holocaust never happened, because President Ahmadinejad said so...

[zappaman]

123. you were fooled by a hologram

so was a friend of mine who saw the second plane hit from his roof.
and so were hundreds of others who claim they saw a plane hit the tower.
think about it, a hologram for the witnesses and a green screen efx job for the home viewers makes faaaaaar more sense than guys hijacking a plane and crashing it into a building, right?

[seatnineb]

125. Too bad REAL witnesses did not see what your anonymous

...mate did.

Oh yeah...your ANONYMOUS mate...much like yourself...is full of bull....

Real witnesses on the other hand failed to see the plane:

In the words of Dave Thom:
After a while, I saw a huge fireball on the second tower -- being on the far side, I DIDN'T SEE THE PLANE and assumed a bomb or something had gone off.
http://www.tgeneva.com/~davethom /

Foto by Dave Thom:

....when your oh so beloved TV showed something much more surreal from the same angle:

[zappaman]

127. Plenty of people saw it, mate

Glad you found the one or two that missed it, mate.
But, according to you, since a celebrity didn't witness it, it didn't happen...right, mate?
You seem confused, mate?
Maybe too many pints, eh mate?

[seatnineb]

131. Plenty of people lied about seeing it.....just like your ANONYMOUS mate

So does your anonymous mate have any hard proof about seeing the plane.

Did not think so.

[zappaman]

132. and why would my friend lie, mate?

why did hundreds of witnesses lie, mate?
c'mon mate...give us a good solid easily proven reason why all these people lied.

[seatnineb]

143. Probably because gullible people like you would believe him.

they lied to push an agenda.

Is that so difficult to understand.

[zappaman]

145. nah, mate

That's not an answer, mate.
Why would he lie, mate?
Monetary gain, mate? He doesn't have much money and just works to get by.
Maybe he is employed by the folks that did it, mate? He doesn't have a job connected to the government or space aliens.
So again, I ask you mate...why would he and hundreds of others lie?
You having a laugh, mate?

[seatnineb]

149. Yes mate.......he("your friend") has an agenda ...just like you....

You are nothing more than an anonymous internet poster who claims to have an anonymous mate who saw the plane.

It's bullshit.

You have no evidence for your mate's testimony.

And you can't prove me wrong.

Next.

In the meantime...eat some more real testimony:

In the words of Victor Cruzate:
When I was back in the roof I saw just before my eyes the explosion on Tower 2. I didn't see the plane, nor did any of the other guys on the roof. We speculated for a few minutes. The only thing we could imagine was on of the wings of the first plane hitting the other tower and provoking the explosion, but that was very unlikely. Finally one of the people on the roof said: "The radio is saying that there was a second plane."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1537530.stm

And this was his viewing angle as seen from the this still frame from the video that he shot :



Yet if the plane really existed......Cruzate should have seen this:

[zappaman]

153. Well, mate

You are an alien from another planet posting obtuse ridiculous things in an attempt to study human behavior, mate.
And you can't prove me wrong.
:rofl:

[seatnineb]

159. Too bad that you have 2 witnesses who claim to have

....photographed the plane......using the same photograph!


Christine Sweeting's daughter:


Freelancer Rob Howard:


Both images combined(they are indisputably one in the same):


Now that is not funny.

[seatnineb]

75. So when you are unable to debunk...you try to parody....it figures.

BTW....I knew you never contacted him in 2008....which is why I made the sarcastic remark immedietly after you claimed to have contacted Handshuh:

Wed Dec-24-08 08:04 PM
Response to SDuderstadt
"You did(contact Handshuh)...that was quick ! LOL!"

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=229695&mesg_id=230681

Guess i am not so cognitively challenged after all.
Try harder.

[seatnineb]

52. So your mate lives at 200 rector place and has no fotos from 9/11 and it's aftermath

...to prove that he really was there.
But you believe him.

Now that is stupid.

[SDuderstadt]

55. Show me where I said...

I believed him. I don't know if he did or not.

What difference would that make anyhow?

[seatnineb]

60. You said you emailed him...admit it....you never did email him.

[NYMdaveNYI]

58. Dude...

my point with the iPhone joke is that in 2001, we didn’t ALL have digital cameras and cellphones at hand....

I’m SURE that once they let us back in the building, I took a few pics of Ground Zero with my NON digital, old-fashioned, film camera, and to go find them, now, would be a pain in the ass.

[seatnineb]

63. The Joke was oh so not funny ...dude.....took a while for you to respond

...I know big bro SDuderstadt had to come up with an answer for you.....

So go find those fotos tiger......and don't try and pinch someone-elses fotos....

Cos' I know you witneses like to take credit for the same fotos:

Christine Sweeting's daughter's foto:


Freelancer Rob Howard:

[NYMdaveNYI]

69. Those are not the same ^... hurrp durrrp durrrp . nt

[seatnineb]

78. You know you are wrong....don't make it more embarassing for yourself.

[NYMdaveNYI]

90. NO. The smoke plumes are DIFFERENT SHAPES.

Overlapping the images just so the building lines up in both shots doesnt mean they’re the same.

The planes are different sizes, so, one camera was farther away than the other.


and fyi, P-H-O-T-O. Not foto.

[SDuderstadt]

91. You mean...

"photoe". You're famouse for these kinds of errors.

[seatnineb]

101. LOL!!....are you seriouse!

So the smoke plumes are different?.....prove it.
But you can't.

Just like you can't prove that you saw the plane hit.

[NYMdaveNYI]

92. seat9b, how long ago did you learn English? nt

[Name removed]

102. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[seatnineb]

111. let me rephrase that so the mods don't delete that again.

Sono inglese amico mio.....

[NYMdaveNYI]

20. No, he has a point. LARED hasn't been...

To one of our union meetings in 16 weeks.

Btw dude, we're having a guest speaker next week to talk about how we can put more poisonous fluoride in the water....

And TooJay's will be catering...

[seatnineb]

24. You really should not reveal your secrets so openly.....Jeez...

they will sack you for not adhering to the Illumanati protocols that you probably swore an oath to adhere to.

[seatnineb]

14. If I were them....I would not pay you..cos' you are doing a piss poor job.

Your spelling is not too bad though.

[NYMdaveNYI]

18. "Unlike NY daily times foto journalist David Handshuh."

The NY Daily Times, eh?

I read it every day.

And Handshuh/Handschuh is my FAVORITE "foto journalist."

</sarcasm>

The NY Daily News is something we call a "tabloid."

A tabloid is a newspaper that lacks credibility because it is chock-full-o'-sensationalism and irresponsible journalism.

New Yorkers know this; hence, we take anything said by the New York Post, Daily News, et cetera, with a grain of salt. Much as you would when you're at the supermarket checkout line, and you see an issue of the National Enquirer, with a screaming headline that says "OBAMA HAVING AFFAIR WITH SPACE ALIEN."

Or maybe, perhaps, you are gullible enough to believe THAT as well,

If you want some REAL journalism, read the Times.

The Daily News and the Post are made not for New Yorkers, rather to reel in gullible morons like yourself.

[seatnineb]

21. Wow...talk about trying to shoot down the messenger.

So now Handshuh is not credible because you in all your gloriouse anonymity...claims so:

Try this:

This is Handshuh after the tower came down:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_j1WCY4T_2yI/Sg9hlEly9lI/AAAAAAAAGG0/ApN3p5sYkgs/s400/Todd+Maisel%27s+shot+of+Hnadschuh.jpg

Come on then mate....whilst you were cowering in your appartement at 200 rector st....did it not dawn on you once to take any fotos:

What you got dude.....what have you got?

[NYMdaveNYI]

23. Wait, where did you get my address?

A previous post, probably. Creepy, nonetheless.

And it's 200 Rector Place, rector street is elsewhere. (there's a wonderful pizza place there)

Plug it in google earth, I'm right across West St from Groud Zero.

[seatnineb]

25. What happened...did you forget already?

NYMdaveNYI
Wed Sep-22-10 10:44 PM

"I was south of the Trade Centers, at 200 Rector Place (Liberty Court), my apartment building, with a window facing north, towards WTC, put my address in google earth, you’ll see my vantage point. "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=296315&mesg_id=296417.

[NYMdaveNYI]

28. Ah, yes, I was addressing D&P.

And it seems you're just as clueless as she is.

[seatnineb]

36. Hey I never said I owned an I phone in 2001!...now that really is

...clueless.

[seatnineb]

29. Ok...my mistake...but the question stands....do you have any fotos

....of anything from 9/11(from 200 rector place).

[NYMdaveNYI]

31. Nope, my iPhone was charging.

Didn't have a camera at hand.

[seatnineb]

34. Did 9/11 take place in 2007?

The first iPhone was introduced on January 9, 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone.

[zappaman]

27. I love Troofer logic

"there was a guy who didn't see a plane hit, therefore it didn't happen."
:rofl:
this the best you got?

[NYMdaveNYI]

30. "troofer logic"

Oxymoron

[seatnineb]

32. How bout' your logic: "there is this anonymous poster who saw the plane"

therefore it happened.

[zappaman]

40. not true

I'm not basing my conclusion that there were planes on "an anonymous poster".
See, that's where your bullshit fails you...

[seatnineb]

41. Yeah I know....you saw the plane hit on TV....therefore it really happened.

So can you name one celebrity or well known person who saw the plane hit?

Come on.....just one.

[zappaman]

42. LOL

A celebrity?
That would make it real for you?
Man, you are too funny!
Congrats!
For a second, I thought you were serious!
:rofl:

[seatnineb]

46. Sure.....so go find me someone famouse who saw the plane hit

Come on'...should not be too difficult.

Don't run away.

[NYMdaveNYI]

56. CHARLIE SHEEN. HE’Z A TROOFER!!!!!! nt

[seatnineb]

65. Yawn...get back to me when you have something substantial.

[NYMdaveNYI]

43. I dont base it off of TV,

just my eyes and ears.

[seatnineb]

47. And your imagination and political bias.

[NYMdaveNYI]

50. “political bias?” PLEASE elaborate!! nt

[seatnineb]

67. No.

[NYMdaveNYI]

71. Are you calling me a righty? nt

[seatnineb]

76. I don't give a flying fuck what you are....other than proving that you did not see

...the plane hit the building.

Wanna prove me wrong.

Show me something from 9/11 or it's aftermath.

But you can't because you are not telling the truth.

[zappaman]

77. LOL

Man, you are a riot!
Seriously, are you a stand up comedian?
You do the best parody of a troofer I have ever seen!
Congrats!!!!

[seatnineb]

79. So you still have not found any-one famouse who saw the plane hit

...with their very own eyes.

Can't be that difficult...surely...or maybe it is.

I guess I an going to have to wait for a very long time huh?

Don't run away.

[zappaman]

83. yes

I think Mickey saw it.
Is that "famouse"enough for you?
:rofl:
Don't run away!

[NYMdaveNYI]

85. Mickey Mouse? n/t

[SDuderstadt]

87. He changed his name from...

Mickey Famouse to Mickey Mouse. That has to be who seatnineb is referring to.

[NYMdaveNYI]

88. or Mickey AnanonyMouse...

I have the fotose to prove it.

[SDuderstadt]

89. seatnineb is such a...

hoot. He is always good for multiple laughs.

[seatnineb]

106. Too bad that you can only spoof...and not debunk.

[SDuderstadt]

108. Too bad you never present anything that...

requires debunking, dude.

[seatnineb]

112. So no planes does not require debunking....must be true then

So easy to counter you "debunkers" here on DU.

[SDuderstadt]

114. You must have missed the word...

"you", dude.

You're "begging the question".

[seatnineb]

117. Yawn...still too afraid to email Handshuh...why I am not surprised.

[seatnineb]

105. You are full of it mate...

here ...digest some more

Maria Bartiromo claims to have seen the 1st plane hit on T.V:

We saw the first plane go into the first building on television.
http://dealbreaker.com/2010/08/maria-bartiromo-reflects/.

...despite the fact that the 1st plane was never shown on live TV on 9/11.

So if she can tell lies about seeing the 1st plane hit live on T.V...i guess there is nothing to stop her from saying she saw the 2nd plane aswell:

I saw the first plane hit the building on television so I ran outside. There I am standing on Wall Street and Broadway watching the first building on fire in front of my eyes. Then the second plane came and crashed right into the second building.
http://www.networkwomen.com/archives/05_02/coverstory_0502.html.

Oh the lies...the lies.

[OnTheOtherHand]

93. charitably, that's silly

I don't know WTF you were doing on 9/11, but I daresay a lot of us had other things on our minds besides taking photographs to... commemorate the event? post on the intertubez nine years later as fodder in an online debate?

[NYMdaveNYI]

94. MY POINT EXACTLY. ^^^^^^^

[zappaman]

98. Except you are not a celebrity

And if a celebrity didn't see it, it didn't happen.
Besides, you might have seen a hologram.

[NYMdaveNYI]

99. On that note, since Lady Gaga hasn’t seen it, it never happened. nt

[seatnineb]

107. The only thing on your mind is your ignorance.

[SDuderstadt]

109. Dude...

I noticed that your profile lists your "hobby" as "human relations".

That's a joke, right?

[zappaman]

110. "Human relations"

That might be true since he talks like a space alien.
Hey, I had a friend who watched the second plane hit from the roof of his apartment building.
He's not famous but he won an award in our industry...does that count as a celebrity.
Honestly, it's the lack of any celebrities seeing the plane hit the buildings which brings the whole case down, doesn't it?

[seatnineb]

119. Your friend saw jack shit mate....

And you fuckin' know it.

[zappaman]

121. Riiiight...

He didn't see anything.
Yep, you sure are some detective.

[seatnineb]

124. You got NOTHING mate....and you know it.

Anonymous friends of friends of friends witnesses like yourself have had their time.....

Eat some real witness testimony....the type which tramples all over your bull....

Witnesses like this one who did not see a plane.......thought it was a bomb.....only later deduce it was a plane courtesy of the TV.

“It was a giant billow of fire blowing out the east side of the building,” she said. “I did not see the plane hit the building – it was far enough away that THE WHITE PLANE HAD DISSAPPEARED AGAINST THE SKY – so I thought it was a bomb. But we had CNN on the TV set nearby, and they replayed footage of a plane crashing into the building.
http://www.star.niu.edu/campus/articles/092401-alumna.a...

[zappaman]

126. oops

You forgot to bold this part...
"it was far enough away that THE WHITE PLANE HAD DISSAPPEARED AGAINST THE SKY"
...mate.

Check out this hologram...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RpNSF-er88

How do you think they managed to make that obvious hologram look so real, mate?
Is it possible they reversed engineered some alien technology, mate?

Why do you believe things that are clearly delusional, mate?

[seatnineb]

141. You obviously don't know United Airline's colour scheme.

...which is grey and blue.

The white plane that the above witness must have been refering to was probably this plane:

This foto was taken after the 1st hit and before the 2nd:

[seatnineb]

113. Wow you can actually do some research....

Now how bout' emailing Handshuh for real...but you don't have the guts.

[SDuderstadt]

115. Dude...

simple question: is Handschuh a "no-planer" or are you just engaging in stupid quote-mining?

Oh, wait...I answered my own question.

[seatnineb]

118. Yes.....

Just because people told Handshuh AFTERWARDS that it was a plane does nothing to change the fact that he did not see when he should have.

[SDuderstadt]

120. Dude...

I asked you a simple question...is Handschuh a "no-planer" or not? Hint: no. Conclusion: you are twisting something Handschuh said to try to transform into something he never said.

More importantly, there are numerous other eyewitnesses who saw the second crash. Work your way through those.

[seatnineb]

130. LOL!!...he did not see the plane when he should have.

It is you who are twisting his words..and you fuckin well full know it.

Why not email him and try and convince him that he did see that plane.....oh yeah...you don't have the guts.

As for the witnesses who did see the plane.....why not start with Cathy Cacicedo
Who took this photo:


But in true bullshit plane witness style she contradicts herself:

'Uuum, I dont know, I mean i guess it banked around and then the next frame has the explosion.
So I didn't know because it didn't hit on my side, it banked around and hit on the other side.
But if you look at my film it is like plane, plane, plane, plane, plane & and then all of the sudden you see the explosion."
http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/kc_060508.mp3

The plane(if it supposedly existed)hit on her side(the south side).
It did not hit "the other side"
She also says it flew through the cloud(the only cloud that day was from the smoke emanating from the already burning North Tower---which was in cacicedo's field of vision)

According to the video's...175 never flew through that cloud...it could not have...it approached from the south west.....whilst the smoke/cloud was blowing to the southeast.

[spooked911]

134. Cacicedo seems to be a important witness of a close fly-by.

IMO, a fly-by that fooled a great many on the ground witnesses.

[SDuderstadt]

135. I think people can easily tell the difference between...

a plane that merely does a fly-by of a building and one that plows into it, dude.

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Oh, wait...I just answered my own question.

[zappaman]

136. Well, Mr. Smart Dude

Let's say I see a plane flying by and it disappears behind the WTC at the EXACT SAME SECOND the first mini-nukes go off.
I would be totally fooled into thinking the plane hit the building.
Honestly, don't you OCTers think these things thru before you post your goofy bullshit?

[SDuderstadt]

137. I am a "macro-nuker"...

I'm just NOT going to waste time on your goofy "mini-nukes" bullshit.

[spooked911]

165. but she *didn't* see the plane fly into the tower even though she *should* have--

is the point. Not that you care about the logic of this.

[zappaman]

170. what is more logical

she didn't happen to see the plane or there were no planes that thousands of witnesses saw?
seriously Spooked, you ever take a logic course?

[spooked911]

245. your question makes no sense

she SAW a plane-- she saw it BANK AROUND the tower to the east.

I imagine all those thousands of eyewitnesses saw the same damn plane.

[seatnineb]

252. mate.....It is these type of contradictions that the official story believers

....around here refuse to address.

The fact that a videographer's testimony contradicts the official flight path of the plane.

[defendandprotect]

129. "I didn't see the plane hit, although I was looking at the tower at the time"....

I DIDN'T SEE THE PLANE HIT,ALTHOUGH I WAS LOOKING AT THE TOWER AT THE TIME.

Thanks for this really interesting post --

Hadn't heard this journalist's story before that I recall --

Also think it's interesting about the SOUND of a plane --

yet he saw no plane!!


:)

[josiegallows]

191. Indeed

Some people just refuse to believe that war and violence exist and we are in danger of both.

Saw a sign on campus today that said "OPEN YOUR EYES, IT'S REAL: WAR."

Some people think it's just the U.S. making everything up.

[defendandprotect]

128. Good question ....!!