1 day before 9/11 $2.3 TRILLION Missing; Silenced?

[Independem]

1 day before 9/11 $2.3 TRILLION Missing; Silenced?

Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon; Silenced by 9/11

http://www.firetown.com/blog/2010/09/12/9102001-rumsfeld-says-2-3-trillion-missing-from-pentagon/

[deconstruct911]

1. Nothing new to DU

Nothing significant to find about it either. If they did use the attack on the Pentagon to cover something up, the cover up part worked extremely well.

[immune]

3. Well hey,

Independem is pretty new to DU.

Hi Inde ... welcome. ;-)

There are a few threads here that cover this topic and I could be wrong, but I think most of the talk about the pentagon missing money is buried in threads about other subjects. That happens.

[deconstruct911]

5. The best one is probably

"who did the pentagon audit for the missing 2.3 trillion"

[immune]

7. That one goes all the way back

to May 2006 thru Jan. 07. I know there's a lot of talk about it that's more current, but I don't think the thread its in is specifically about the 2.3 bil.

[immune]

9. Here's the one I meant..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x298398

[JackRiddler]

62. Here it is...

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x92233#132239

[immune]

63. Yeah,

I found that one and posted it here, too, a little further down. Awesome thread!!

[SDuderstadt]

2. Jesus....

not this shit again.

[immune]

4. Ah,

the trials and tribulations of a denier on an open forum. :P

[SDuderstadt]

6. "Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon"

Could someone provide substantiation this is actually what Rumsfeld said?

Hint: it wasn't. More "truther" quote-mining.

[immune]

8. How about

you mine an exact quote for us, dude?

[TheUnspeakable]

10. "we cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars"

About 1 min in-you're welcome,Dude

[SDuderstadt]

11. Do you understand that doesn't mean...

the money is "missing"?

If the money was "missing", why would he even announce it??? How many time does this shit need to be debunked?

[Yeahyeah]

12. "If the money was "missing", why would he even announce it??? "

So he'd lie about 2.3 trillion missing dollars.

But he wouldn't lie about who killed 3,000 people?

[SDuderstadt]

13. Dude...

I fucking give up. If you seriously want to believe that Rumsfeld was announcing that $2.3 T was "missing", maybe you might want to look up the federal budget for FY 2001 and ask yourself how the Pentagon could possibly be "missing" an amount larger than the ENTIRE federal budget for EVERYTHING, then explain how the federal government would even operate with zero money.

Do you guys think about these stupid things before you blurt them out?

[Yeahyeah]

14. You're the one that blurted out that Rumsfeld would lie about it.

Read your own post,dude.

[SDuderstadt]

15. Dude...

I said that is not what he is saying. Duh.

[Yeahyeah]

16. Dude I think you're possibly being disingenuous dude.

[SDuderstadt]

17. No, dude...

You're twisting and distorting what Rumsfeld actually said. Saying "we cannot track $2.3 T in transactions" is all about antiquated and incompatible accounting systems, not an admission that $2.3 T is "missing", unless you can explain how the government could even operate if more than the entire operating budget for the entire U.S government for that FY was "missing".

Fucking unbelievable.

[terrafirma]

18. Disingenuous

Is this the truthers' new favorite defense?

"I don't want to acknowledge your valid and logical point because it doesn't fit in my world view so I'll label you as 'disingenuous'".

[SDuderstadt]

19. Isn't it fucking...

unbelievable?

[terrafirma]

20. It's...

.... INCONCEIVABLE!!!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

65. Psst.

It's not a fiscal year.

If it spans 20 years it still means a $100B a year.

Just as worrisome.

[SDuderstadt]

66. It isn't fucking "missing"...

Read KDL's post.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

67. I never said it was missing.

Read my post.

[Soldier61]

21. Can they track the 2.3 trillion $ today?

If not. some Dude`s debunking is obviously debunked.

[SDuderstadt]

22. Dude...

Do you understand that "we cannot track $2.3T in transactions" is NOT saying "$2.3T is missing"?

What is so fucking hard to understand about that? Does it register with you why $2.3T could not possibly have been "missing"? How could they have paid all the civilian and military employees of the DoD? Do you understand that if $2.3T was missing, the government would have had to completely shut down?

[terrafirma]

23. No, Dude...

They don't.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be recycling this stuff almost a decade later.

[Soldier61]

24. That doesn`t answer my question

I didn`t ask to explain the difference between "cannot track" and "missing" as it simply doesn`t matter.

Just wondering if they`re still not able to track the 2,3 Trillion, after 9 years.

[SDuderstadt]

25. Why don't you look...

it up?

[Yeahyeah]

28. Dude I don't think your content-free insult posts are helpful dude.

[SDuderstadt]

29. Well, dude...

I don't think twisting and distorting what Rumsfeld said into some fantasy that isn't even remotely possible, is helpful, either, so I guess we're even.

[Yeahyeah]

36. Dude no sorry read your own post and admit that you said that Rumsfeld would

not tell the truth about a missing 2.3 trillion.Otherwise you are being disingenuous.And,by the way,your constant content-free insult posts are not constructive dude.

[SDuderstadt]

37. Omigod! Are you really this clueless?

What I essentially asked was why, if the $2.3T was really "missing", why would he have announced it?? What I have consistently said was you guys are distorting his plain words that "$2.3T in transactions could not be tracked". Any rational person with moderate math skills and a basic knowledge of the federal budget would quickly understand that $2.3T could not possibly be "missing" and our government even remotely finctioning, despite the efforts of.you and others to totally.misrepresent what he said.

I have not.once accused or implied he lied, dude. How fucking hard can this be to understand?

[Yeahyeah]

38. Pleases stop.I sense a possible sociopathology to your postings.

I'm considering putting you on ignore.

[SDuderstadt]

39. Great...

that means I can respond to your nonsense and you won't respond with more of the same nonsense.

I never once claimed Rumsfeld lied, dude. Maybe you should quit misrepresenting what he actually said. The beauty of 'ignore" is that you don't have to engage in actual debate. That'll give you more time to spread your nonsense and you won't have to endure anyone tearing your argument to shreds

[Yeahyeah]

40. You claimed that Rumsfeld WOULD lie.Perhaps there's some chance

that your reading comprehension isn't up to par and you aren't quite as,shall we say,"disingenuous" as you appear to be to the honest reader.

[SDuderstadt]

41. WHERE in the world did I...

claim that, dude? Please point to where I "did" and explain your "reasoning". Take your time.

In the meantime, what Rumsfeld actually said is that "$2.3T in transactions cannot be tracked". Somehow, you guys interpret that to mean that he said "$2.3T is missing", despite the fact that is not what he said. Then you have the audacity to turn around, despite this being explained to you over and over, and accuse me of claiming that Rumsfeld lied or would lie, when I said nothing of the sort.

Try to get this through your brain. I have never once claimed that he didn't say "we cannot track $2.3T in transactions" or that he lied when he said it. I have repeatedly stated that "we cannot track $2.3T in transactions" isn't saying "$2.3T is missing" and Rumsfeld never once said that.

At this point, if you would carryout your threat to put me on "ignore", I would regard it as nothing less than a "mercy ignore" that is long overdue.

[deconstruct911]

26. Clearly he wont give you that answer

and would rather put words in your mouth. I'd say he debunked himself well this time.

[SDuderstadt]

27. No, dude...

I think when people make stupid claims, they should educate themselves.

Simple question: do you honestly believe if $2.3T was missing, it would've garnered do little attention?

P.S. it's more than s little ironic that you accuse me of putting words in anyone's mouth, when the O.P. does precisely that to Rumsfeld. Simple question: do you understand why the claim couldn't possibly be true?

[deconstruct911]

31. Again you use "missing"

Didn't you give a big hero speech on the difference between track and missing? Soldier never said it was missing dude. And dude, I have always pointed out it was an issue of accounting, so don't give me that bullshit.

[SDuderstadt]

32. Okay...

then why don't you correct the other "truthers"??

Since I think it's a straw issue, you guys can look up the progress.

[SDuderstadt]

56. Read your post #5...

dude.

[deconstruct911]

57. Not my OP dude

I didn't choose the name.....

[SDuderstadt]

58. Then why didn't you correct the OP...

dude?

[deconstruct911]

59. Who did the Pentagon audit for the "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x92233

I didn't even get a chance to make a post dude. Can you find anything better to do right now?

[SDuderstadt]

60. Nope...n/t

[deconstruct911]

61. Well

I guess we're all waiting for a new thread...

[Yeahyeah]

43. I love to see a comment from a mini-duder.

[SDuderstadt]

45. Read post # 34...

It explains the actual situation quite well. This stupid "$2.3T is missing" myth deserves to die.

[immune]

30. Best thread on the missing trillions,

and much more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x92233

[ColesCountyDem]

33. Rumsfeld never said that.

Other than that, your post is great....

:eyes:

[KDLarsen]

34. ZZzzzZzz

Here's an article describing how the problem was known as early as 1999:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050106103834/http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2002/n04032002_200204033.html

Here's an article from march 2000, describing the exact amount that couldn't be accounted for:
http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002hxm

Here's a news article from 7 months after 9/11, mentioning how far they had gotten in the process of cleaning up the computer systems:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041119191514/www.defense.gov/news/Feb2002/n02202002_200202201.htm

In other news, nothing new.

[SDuderstadt]

46. I can't believe how the "truthers"...

keep flogging this "$2.3T is missing" myth. It's colossally stupid.

I honestly believe their cognitive deficiencies and difficulties with shorthand abstractions is the foundation for nearly all of the "unanswered questions" about 9/11. When shown evidence that would make rational people say, "hmmm, maybe I've got this wrong", it, instead, actually hardens their conviction they are right. It's beyond frustrating to watch facts, logic, reason and science bounce off them, like bullets off Superman's chest.


It's truly embarrassing to DU.

[immune]

47. For the sake of clarity

Rumsfeld said they were unable to account for the 2.3 trillion dollars (in transactions).

And you say the 2.3 trillion dollars never existed.

I guess that's possible, but for both of these statements to be true, there's only one road open ahead.

So perhaps you are alluding to the fact that the Secretary of Defense is not in charge of day to day pentagon transactions and may not have even known the true financial status, or at least plausible deniability exists to make that claim. And are you perhaps alluding to the fact that the comptroller and chief financial officer of the pentagon is the person who is authorized to sign off on daily financial transactions? And are you further suggesting that the comptroller may have been kiting checks all over hell and half of .. well, probably somewhere besides Texas, over and above the budgeted funding to the tune of 2.3 trillion dollars before anyone caught on to it? At least that would account for your claim that the money never existed. And Rumsfeld ended up taking the heat for it? Are you saying the sec of defense was just covering for his good buddy down the hall, and if so, why would he do that?

And yes again, it would be pretty damned simple for a careful man to see to it that all records that could prove HOW the "funds" had been "misdirected" were destroyed, so it wouldn't be a lie at all for Rum Dum to say he couldn't account for any it. Apparently no one asked Zakheim to account for anything ... he just made a run for Booz Allen. Free and clear.

Is that how it went down?

[SDuderstadt]

48. "immune" needs to read...

post # 34 and quit misrepresenting what I actually said, as well as quit spreading more of his trademark misinformation.

[immune]

49. Ah,

the old everybody's doing it deflection. It gets old.


Spreading who's misinformation? I asked you some questions, which you failed to answer.

[SDuderstadt]

51. More of "immune's" trademark strawman arguments...

Anyone reading post #34 will quickly see how grossly "immune" is misrepresenting the actual facts of this situation.

This kind of willful ignorance is deeply embarrassing to DU and coming from someone who apparently does not realize that "who's" is a contraction for "who is".

[immune]

52. Well I guess

that's about as straight an answer as I expected. You never disappoint.

[SDuderstadt]

53. If "immune" would bother to read post #34...

he would realize how stupid his "questions" were. Stupid questions don't deserve an answer.

[immune]

54. The first link

is CYA, the second one points out that we should hire grade school teachers to correct pentagon accounting papers and the third one doesn't open.

BFD.

Why won't you answer the questions I asked?

[SDuderstadt]

55. "The first link is CYA"...

too funny.

[Old Troop]

35. Did they look everywhere? Sometimes people don't think to look in

the pockets of jackets they haven't worn in awhile.

[Poll_Blind]

42. .

:rofl:

PB

[Yeahyeah]

44. Hey.The Pentagon did have cameras outside.This does raise my suspicions.

http://www.freakingnews.com.nyud.net:8080/pictures/8500/Rumsfeld-Bum--8670.jpg

[immune]

50. You could at least give fair warning.

Not a nice sight to wake up to.

:spank:

[defendandprotect]

64. Think it's now like $3.4 TRILLION -- but Obama/Holder don't seem to care ....!!!

What a farce our government is!!

:)