So, any of you watch this week's Conspiracy Theory" show re. JFK?

[wildbilln864]

If not, you missed a good one IMHOOC. I thought it very interesting. What's your take? :popcorn:

[zappaman]

1. missed it

what happened?
did he prove it wasn't LHO?
or just the same old recycled crap?

[deconstruct911]

2. I though it was interesting also

Operation 40 has their fingerprints all over the scandals of the 60's & 70's.

[defendandprotect]

4. Nixon was heading up Operation 40 ... while Ike was in hospital with heart attack!!

It became Bay of Pigs -- are we talking about same thing?

Will this repeat?

:hi:

[deconstruct911]

13. Same thing

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKseal.htm

Bay of pigs to Iran Contra, maybe a similar network for the drug part of 9 11....

[defendandprotect]

3. Well ... which one? By whom? What was interesting ... tell ALL ... well ...

tell as much as you can --

Is this Ventura?

:popcorn:

[wildbilln864]

5. E. Howard Hunt's son has an audio tape....

of his father's confessing to be involved in the plot along with LBJ and others. LHO was a patsy!

[zappaman]

6. no kidding!

let's hear it!
what is he waiting for?

[SDuderstadt]

7. You mean...

St. John Hunt, the drug abuser and addict who identified one of the tramps arrested in Dealer Plaza as his father, even despite the difference in height and the facts that all the tramps were positively identified? THAT St. John Hunt?

[deconstruct911]

8. Those darn addicts are always making phonied confession tapes.

[defendandprotect]

17. Another one was Jack Ruby .... letters from prison ....

pointing to LBJ and people with "Nazi" like mentality --

Ruby made a record of some kind -- think he had his sister and brother

come to the hospital with some recording device. Later he denied it.

We see a lot of those denials these days!

And, of course, Dorothy Killgallen evidently got his story and also got murdered!

[deconstruct911]

20. Oh yes

and you can add Salem. (who is still with the FBI)

"Hear the man who says Sheik Rahman was guilty."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKoe-Yg8O6U

[defendandprotect]

41. Thanks --

added to favs and trying to listen now to get an idea of it --

:)

[deconstruct911]

42. I was thinking

you would need to be fairly ignorant to claim he wasn't talking about the 93 wtc bombing, which is what Lance apparently believes.

[immune]

9. Executive Order 11110

IMHO this EO is what got Kennedy killed.

On June 4, 1963, President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve (US Central Bank). Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation.

As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations . $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Kennedy_Executive_Order_11110

[apocalypsehow]

10. "IMHO" - You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts, as the saying goes.

Here's what the facts say got President Kennedy killed:

On November 22, 1963, while riding in an open motorcade in downtown Dallas, Texas, an angry, alienated young man named Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, assassinated President Kennedy using a rifle from the sixth floor of the building in which he worked.

In the forty-seven years since the crime was committed not one piece of credible evidence has surfaced contradicting that factual narrative. Not one. Period, end of sentence.

Those who continue to peddle myths to the contrary dishonor the late president's memory every time they engage in same.

[immune]

11. Are you saying

JFK didn't write that executive order? Or are you sayng the treasury wasn't printing and circulating non-fed money? Don't you think that'd piss off a few folks? Maybe enough to hire some contract killers to stop him? And there are always plenty of those around if you've got the right kind of money, and we all know who's got that kind of money.

Shades of Lincoln and his greenbacks. Deja vu all over again.

[apocalypsehow]

12. Read reply #10 in this thread again. Slower this time. n/t.

[immune]

14. Oh btw,

don't forget our 20th President, James Garfield, who was opposed to establishing a national bank that would have been controlled by international bankers and was assassinated by another 'crazed, lone nut gunman."

That's three crazed lone gunmen killing presidents who tried to take back the creation of the currency this nation operates on and ended up getting whacked. Do you detect a pattern here?

Oh, and don't forget Loius McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee from 1932 -1934. "While exercising the duties of this position he exposed some of the greatest crimes of the century, including his stinging indictment of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in which he charged them "with having treasonably conspired to destroy constitutional government in the United States".

Only difference, McFadden was poisoned.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/mcfadden.htm

[apocalypsehow]

15. Read reply #10 in this thread again. Pay particular attention to how the words form sentences. n/t.

[immune]

16. A murder

without a motive? You don't want to talk about motive?

Just good old Lee woke up that morning in a foul mood and loaded his gun and went hunting presidents. Sure.

[apocalypsehow]

18. Read reply #10 in this thread again. When I was in school, teachers often used flash cards to help

those going through a rough patch when it came to understanding the plain words on the page in front of them. :thumbsup:

[immune]

22. "When I was in school,

teachers often used flash cards."

That explains a lot. They'll stunt a kid's growth.

When I was in school, the teachers most often said, "look it up". I guess that's why there was a library down the hall.

[apocalypsehow]

24. And once again, from rambling logical fallacies to subject-changing to personal attacks, you live up

to every single one of my expectations. All too easy. :beer:

[defendandprotect]

51. Wow .... didn't know any of that .... thanks!!

:)

[Octafish]

58. Thanks, immune. McFadden pegged the warmongers...

"These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against Russia."



Baron de Rothschild and Prescott Bush,
sharing a moment together.

What capitalism does really well
is concentrate power and cash.

[immune]

59. Yeah, McFadden

pegged it. So he had to die.

(edit to add: another unsolved murder)

[SDuderstadt]

61. I'd love to see any proof anyone has that...

McFadden was murdered.

[immune]

62. Odd that.

It was suspected, but never proved. The suspicion, along with a few previous assassination attempts makes it pretty obvious that he was.

And he hated the bankers with a passion. They hated him better.

[SDuderstadt]

65. Maybe "immune" missed the part where I asked for proof...

Simply repeating the claim over and over isn't proof.

[Octafish]

69. Would that be like the ''proof'' you supply, sduderstadt?

And I believe openly calling for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of W would qualify as criticizing the "Bush Crime Family", dude... -- S Duderstadt

Which is to say, nothing. Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

70. Still beating dead horses...

dude?

P.S. You might want to check "immune's" profile.

[SDuderstadt]

60. It figures Octafish would be a fan of...

Louis McFadden's goofy bullshit.

[Octafish]

63. Was Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler a ''goofy bullshitter,'' too, sduderstadt?

Smedley Butler Stopped American Fascist Conspiracy to Overthrow FDR

Actually, McFadden was correct. He listened to Gen. Smedley D. Butler. Dude.

[immune]

64. Jesus annie,

Think I'll be working my way through that link and all the information it links to til kingdom come.

Thanks, Octafish.

[SDuderstadt]

66. I don't recall we were talking about Butler...

dude. You do so poorly with even just one "debate" topic at a time, I don't think I'd attempt multiple topics if I were you, dude.

[Octafish]

67. Change the subject much, sduderstadt?

Besides, you never did get around to explaining where it is you actually post anything that would speed the investigation, prosecution and incarceration of George W Bush. Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

68. You're the one who...

changed the subject, dude, as I aptly pointed out.

In the meantime, I merely claimed (and subsequently proved) that I had publicly called for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of Bush and Cheney, dude. Your desperate attempt to widen the goalposts to different timezones is such a hoot.

Coming as your post does nearly a month later, it kinda seems you're slipping, dude. How are those indictments coming along?

[defendandprotect]

19. Absolutely a big reason for the coup -- we need to dump the FED ....

And -- the 1960 Democratic Platform that JFK ran on called for the

NATIONALIZING of the oil industry --

JFK was also ending the oil depletion allowance!!

We're still subsidizing the oil companies.

[apocalypsehow]

21. Simply false: "the 1960 Democratic Platform that JFK ran on called for the NATIONALIZING of the oil

industry --"

Here's the entirety of the 1960 Democratic Platform, as adopted in Los Angeles:

Give it a read

Your assertion is nowhere to be found in that document. Nice try.

[immune]

23. I could be wrong,

but I think it was the steel industry he wanted to nationalize.

I wouldn't doubt, though, that he would have moved on the oil companies, too, if he had had time. He scared the "BIG's" half to death, so they took him all the way there.

[apocalypsehow]

25. You are wrong, on both counts. Per usual. Living in a fact-free world must be...different. n/t.

[immune]

27. If facts are free, why don't you avail yourself of a few?

In 1962, President John F. Kennedy was successful after some arm-twisting to get the Steel Industry to maintain prices, without resorting to a government take over. Although the Supreme Court struck down Truman’s Executive Order to nationalize the steel industry as unconstitutional,

http://warisacrime.org/node/33006

[zappaman]

28. yeah...and?

how does this tie in to the assassination?

[ryan_cats]

71. Are you serious, you don't see the connection?

In 1962, President John F. Kennedy was successful after some arm-twisting to get the Steel Industry to maintain prices, without resorting to a government take over. Although the Supreme Court struck down Truman’s Executive Order to nationalize the steel industry as unconstitutional,

It's obvious, what was that Mannlicher-Carcano made from, hmmm? Steel, connect the dots! We are near solving this thing, in another fifty years, you'll all be saying you read it here first.

[apocalypsehow]

29. Non-responsive. You stated: "it was the steel industry he wanted to nationalize"

Fact: JFK never once either stated he wanted or attempted to nationalize the "Steel Industry" (Sic).

Fact: It was not the "Steel Industry" (Sic) in any event that he did the "arm-twisting" on, but only a few recalcitrant companies who eventually saw things the administrations way. It was an anti-inflationary effort, not a nationalization effort.

So, what you have done is make an assertion that is false, and when it is pointed out to you that it is false you change the premises of the question and act as if you stated something you didn't, in order to attempt to wiggle away from having been proved wrong. Per usual.

Please try again.

[immune]

31. A few recalcitrant companies?

KENNEDY VERSUS BIG STEEL
During his first year in office President John F Kennedy and his administration were involved in negotiations between the major steel firms and their workers. By the end of March 1962 a deal was cut whereby workers received no wage increase but expanded fringe benefits. With this settlement worked out, Kennedy assumed steel companies would not raise their prices. Two weeks later, however, Roger M. Blough, president of U.S. Steel, went to the White House and handed Kennedy a press release announcing a price hike of six dollars a ton. The other major steel firms immediately followed suit.

He responded by attacking the action of steel executives on television and initiated a grand jury investigation on price-fixing in the steel industry. The Pentagon threatened to shift procurement to companies that had not raised prices, and Congress was encouraged to investigate the industry as well. Three days after the price increases were announced, several firms backed down, and the following day, 14 April, Blough rescinded U.S. Steel's new price.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3468302218.html

Yeah, those recalcitrant companies definitely saw the light. I'll bet Blough was one unhappy camper.


(Sorry, WildBill for going so far off topic)

[apocalypsehow]

32. Non-responsive. Again. You stated: "it was the steel industry he wanted to nationalize"

And your reply here merely proves my point that he wanted to do no such thing.

You have a peculiar manner of "debating" your opposite numbers: usually agreeing with your opponent and then posting proof that your own assertions were false is not considered "debating," but "agreeing."

Your concession that I was correct and you were not is noted: discussion concluded. :thumbsup:

[immune]

33. I guess you missed the qualifiers,

"I could be wrong" and "I think". Deliberately, of course.

And I can't deny your cleverness in avoiding the topic of presidents who were killed while trying to rid this country of its economic rapists. All I can say for idiots who insist on pretending his death had no deeper meaning than a lone nut and a magic bullet, I sure hope they'll enjoy bending over from now until eternity for their masters because the killers broke the mold.

[zappaman]

34. you're not even trying, are you?

"And I can't deny your cleverness in avoiding the topic of presidents who were killed while trying to rid this country of its economic rapists. All I can say for idiots who insist on pretending his death had no deeper meaning than a lone nut and a magic bullet, I sure hope they'll enjoy bending over from now until eternity for their masters because the killers broke the mold."

You do realize that above statement has nothing to do with the argument, yet you feel compelled to post it.
Why?

[apocalypsehow]

35. I stated you were factually wrong, and you were. An intellectually honest & reasonable person would

simply concede their factual error, and move on. You chose not to, for obvious reasons related to those two concepts.

Instead, you burned up this sub-thread constantly changing the subject, moving the premises of your original assertion around, ignoring your own (factually false) claims, and indulging in personal attacks.

Per usual.

CT'er bonus this round: Last Wordism.

"All I can say for idiots who insist on pretending his death had no deeper meaning than a lone nut and a magic bullet, I sure hope they'll enjoy bending over from now until eternity for their masters because the killers broke the mold"

Hateful language and violence-driven revenge metaphors in response to their perceived "enemies" is a CT'er trait that crops up again & again & again not just in this sub-forum, but in any forum where CT'ers congregate and are challenged on their total lack of credible facts. It's a recurring theme.

Again: your concession is accepted, have a good evening.

[immune]

36. Violence driven revenge? Moi?

By Lynn Adler

NEW YORK | Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:23am EST

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. foreclosure actions shattered all records in 2009 and will do so again this year, with unemployment and wage cuts overcoming programs to remedy failing home loans, RealtyTrac said on Thursday.

A record 2.8 million properties with a mortgage got a foreclosure notice last year, jumping 21 percent from 2008 and 120 percent from 2007, the Irvine, California-based real estate data company found.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60D0LZ20100114

This is the kind of violence Kennedy tried to stop with his EO, economic violence against the American people by the fed, the IMF and the BIS and we all know who won that round. Unfortunately, it was the final death blow to this nation that still isn't understood by many of the victims 47 years later, ignorance that's helped along greatly by those who deny, deny, deny.

[zappaman]

37. LOL

I have to give you credit for your humor because it is now obvious you are not serious!
Again, congrats!
:rofl:

[immune]

38. What last "wordism" really looks like:

"Again: your concession is accepted, have a good evening."

No such concession was granted, it was only haughtily assumed by you as the last word(ism).

Your mirror must be broken.

[zappaman]

39. congrats on getting the last word in

not once...but twice!!!
:rofl:

[apocalypsehow]

30. And while we're on the subject of your disjointed ramblings, logical fallacy count this reply: 3.

"In 1962, President John F. Kennedy was successful after some arm-twisting to get the Steel Industry to maintain prices"


Your first one *here*


"Although the Supreme Court struck down Truman’s Executive Order to nationalize the steel industry as unconstitutional"

This sentence (with the link included) was a twofer -

Here


& here


Nice work - both textbook & typical.

[zappaman]

26. "I could be wrong"

truer words have never been spoken.

[defendandprotect]

40. Democratic Party Platform did call for NATIONALIZING oil industry .....

The power play that went on with the steel industry -- think it was Blunt/? --

was something almost volcanic! JFK was telling them to roll back their price increase.

FDR was going to nationalize the oil industry but for some reason he check to see what

LFJ thought about it. Can't imagine that FDR didn't know who LBJ was even at that time?

But LBJ advised him against it and he didn't do it.

We will never be able to address Global Warming properly nor gain alternative energy

until we do nationalize oil industry.

Only way the right wing can rise is via political violence -- stolen elections -- lies.

[apocalypsehow]

43. Wrong: your assertion is simply false, no matter how many times you repeat it USING ALL CAPS!!

Once again, you may educate yourself http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.presidency.ucsb.edu%2Fws%2Findex.php%3Fpid%3D29602&ei=qOXqTODgO8KAlAeXoKmeCQ&usg=AFQjCNH1psNCiKii7oEufYNusNsmAe9Mqw&sig2=v8SMPZeYcpE2nNjYExzrtw">here

Keeping up the pretense that you can't see the link does not change the fact that your assertion is flatly & demonstratively false.

[immune]

45. From your link ...

The Democratic Administration will support continued study and research on energy fuel resources, including new sources in wind and sun. It will push forward with the Passamaquoddy tidal power project with its great promise of cheaper power and expanded prosperity for the people of New England.

We support the establishment of a national fuels policy.

The $15 billion national investment in atomic energy should be protected as a part of the public domain.

--------------------------------

What do you take that bolded sentence to mean, if not national (government) control of oil and gas? What/who is the public domain?

[SDuderstadt]

46. "immune" believes calling for a...

national fuels policy is the same thing as calling for.nationalization?

This is insight into the conspiracist mindset and how they twist things to "prove" their predetermined conclusion. Fucking unbelievable.

[immune]

48. A fuels policy

equals regulation and control by the federal government, two of the things private industry will stop by whatever means necessary.

[SDuderstadt]

53. Instead of simply admitting...

he/D&P were wrong about "nationalization", "immune" tries to move one of the goalposts to a hotly different area code.

Fucking unbelievable.

[apocalypsehow]

55. It's truly a Bizarro World of Orwellian dimensions, where up is down, 2 + 2 = 5, and facts don't

matter if they don't square with the CT'er narrative - as they invariably never do.

And then there's the frequent business of just making shit up, as we see in this latest go-around. As you say, truly fucking unbelievable.

[Flatulo]

54. Careful - D&P will put you on IGNORE if you keep this up...

[apocalypsehow]

56. Supposedly she already has - she claimed to have done so some time back. Odd how she frames many of

her replies as if she knows precisely what I've posted, however.... :shrug:

Very odd, indeed!! :rofl:

[immune]

47. "Almost volcanic!"

That's probably why the steel issue stuck in my mind as opposed to his position on the fuel industry, which he didn't have enough time to put into law. But I read the link apocalypse posted and yeah, he had them in his sights, too.

It doesn't even bear thinking about how different this country might be today if not for that day in Dallas.

[defendandprotect]

49. The atmosphere surrounding that call out of steel -- think it was Blunt/?

was something you don't forget. I really wasn't political at the time --

though JFK was attracting us all to think more about our government and was

making clearer the issues. But, I can only say that as uninformed as I was

about what was going on, the reaction to JFK's demand created shockwaves.

Didn't quite understand at the time about TPB and the why's of it all.

Just remember those shockwaves.

[deconstruct911]

44. Well,

I don't think it's coincidental the Gulf of Tonkin incident happened less then a year after his assassination.

[defendandprotect]

50. We have a nation built on theft, slavery, assassinations and false flag operations ...!!!

And many of the characters seem to repeat their performances ....

Kissinger seems to be playing a repeat role - sadly connected to the Obama administration ---


Remarks by National Security Adviser Jones at 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy
Published February 8, 2009

Speaker: James L. Jones
U.S. National Security Adviser Jones gave these remarks at the 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof on February 8, 2009.

"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.


http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remarks_by_nationa...



And, in an Oliver Stone's screenplay for NIXON which for some odd reason my library got at that

time -- there was an opening scene which didn't make it into the movie ...

It was Nixon on the border with Vietnam, hiking around a treasure chest of gold, trying to make

the Gulf of Tonkin deal. Still don't know what to make of that. Of course, Nixon does play a

large role later in stifling the Vietnam peace talks which LBJ had stopped the bombing to

encourage. LBJ called his activities "treason."

[deconstruct911]

52. Thanks

Between the CIA's covert agenda and the creation of the modern drug war Nixon was certainly an enemy of the "free world".

[defendandprotect]

76. Doubt anyone knows all of what Nixon did, but he paved the way for the rest of the GOP destroyers!!

[Iggo]

57. The Jesse Ventura one?

I thought it was fun when Marina Oswald asked him if he was ever afraid for his life and he said "You ever hear of the Navy Seals?"

I was entertained.

[apocalypsehow]

72. Except, Ventura never was a Navy Seal, and has no combat experience. So it's an odd thing for him to

say to the widow of the man who, acting alone, assassinated President John F. Kennedy.

Perhaps it was just another rhetorical flight into fiction, since 99.999% of everything that is broadcast on those programs is pure fiction. :shrug:

[Iggo]

74. Maybe you missed the code words 'fun' and 'entertained' in the above message.

:hi:

[apocalypsehow]

75. My bad - you are quite right: I tripped right over them without even slowing down.

I get clumsy like that sometimes, especially down here in the dungeon.

:hi: :toast:

[plain1]

77. Factually incorrect

"the man who, acting alone, assassinated President John F. Kennedy"

There was more than one shooter. At least two, maybe three.

[zappaman]

78. you know your stuff

Please show where the other 1-2 shooters were and identify them.

[plain1]

79. Based on what is known today...

There was a shooter:

1. In the TSBD

2. Behind the picket fence

Other possible locations:

A. Dal-Tex building

B. County records building

C. South knoll


Names of shooters?

Frank and Jesse (aka The Long Riders). Others remain unidentified as of now.

[zappaman]

80. you left out the sewer

there could have been a shooter there.
also, a close examination of the zapruder film shows the driver firing the fatal shot.

[plain1]

81. No evidence supports those locations. eom

[zappaman]

82. actually, there is just as much evidence

to support those locations as the ones you mentioned.
care to show your evidence to support any location besides the TSBD?

[plain1]

83. What evidence suuports those locations?

[zappaman]

84. you first

I asked first.
answer me and I will answer you.

[plain1]

85. You said that you have evidence for sewer shots, the...

limo driver etc. I don't think you do.

[plain1]

86. Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gItxbto68o4

[apocalypsehow]

87. False. There is not a shred of credible evidence that anyone other than Lee Oswald, acting alone,

was involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Not. One. Shred.

Period.

[plain1]

88. Just the opposite.

No credible evidence he was anything but a patsy who fired no shots.

[zappaman]

89. false

there is plenty of evidence LHO fired the shots.
tell me, what weapon was used that left a "puff of smoke"?

[plain1]

90. Good question. It sure wasn't the "Italian Peace Keeper"

As you probably know, even Senator Yarborough reported smelling it.

[apocalypsehow]

91. You seem to be curiously, uh, errr, umm, "immune" let's say, to factual evidence...

:eyes:

[plain1]

92. What factual evidence are you referring to?

Have you studied the case or do you feel the Gov't version is the truth?

[apocalypsehow]

93. LOL - who are you trying to kid?

:shrug:


...( :eyes: )

[plain1]

97. Trying to see if you were serious. Obviously you aren't.

Most people believed the Warren Commission initially. Sounds like you still do.

[apocalypsehow]

102. The Warren Commission's core conclusion that LHO, acting alone, assassinated JFK stands un-refuted,

and there has not been produced a single shred of credible evidence contradicting that conclusion in forty-six years. The closest the CT'er "community" ever got to official recognition of their pet theories and bizarre, fact-free scenarios was the House Select Committee's now solidly-disproved contention that acoustic evidence indicated that their might have been a second shot coming from the grassy knoll.

1. The House committee's conclusion was based on the report of an individual who was not even an acoustics expert, by his own admission, and whose report was hotly disputed within the committee even at the time.

2. In 1981, a group of actual acoustics experts solidly disproved the notion that the acoustic evidence pointed anywhere other than in the direction of the TSBD, and, therefore, Lee Harvey Oswald, as the origin of all of the shots.

3. In 2003, a further investigation showed that the conclusion of the 1979 House Select committee regarding the acoustic evidence of a shot fired from the grassy knoll was not even plausible, give the location of the various motorcycle microphones at the time the shots were fired.

"Trying to see if you were serious. Obviously you aren't"

Obviously, you continue to be "immune" to factual evidence and actual credible data. You have posted not a single verifiable fact regarding the "case," as you call it. There was no conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy: the vast, overwhelming body of evidence points to one man, Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone. The case is closed, as far as all honest & reasonable observers are concerned. Period.

[dflprincess]

103. Actually that wasn't their conclusion as much as it was the premise they started with.

While some noise was made about looking at other possibilities, they never seriously considered any other explanations.

[SDuderstadt]

104. Total bullshit...

have you ever even read the WCR, let alone, the volumes of evidence?

[zappaman]

94. are you "immune" to the government version?

you are "immune" to logic, to say the least.
:rofl:

[plain1]

95. I'm immune to dishonesty. eom

[zappaman]

96. "I'm immune to dishonesty"

at least you got the first 2 words correct.
:rofl:

[plain1]

98. And here's the rest

"I'm immune to dishonesty"...and snakeoil salesmen who either don't know much about the issue at hand or do, but ignore
anything that disproves what they're promoting.

[zappaman]

99. uh huh

what exactly "disproves" the "official story"?
you remind me of someone...I just can't place who...

[plain1]

100. Sounds like something I'd expect on...

the McAdams disinfo site, but not DVP, because he knows the evidence but isn't bothered by the truth.

[zappaman]

101. sounds like something I'd expect

from someone dodging the question.
or someone "immune" to rational discussion.
:rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

105. Poor plain1...

I guess he was just too highstrung.

[TheUnspeakable]

73. Watch it online-anyone who hasn't seen it

http://www.trutv.com/video/conspiracy-theory/full-episodes/jfk-assassination.html

It was surprisingly good-I continue to be impressed by Ventura

[Major Hogwash]

106. Great link, thanks.

I wondered what got everyone upset.
I guess learning that our federal government lies to us has a few youngsters here at DU all atwitter.

[zappaman]

107. LOL

Youngster?
Sure the government lies since the government consists of people and people lie.
No one is upset.
Just laughing as you and your buddies make shit up and then when called upon to back your ridiculous claims up with any kind of evidence, quickly change the topic like you just did.
47 years and you can prove your wacky theory.
Tell me, how many killed JFK?
You have a number?
I do.

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[zappaman]

110. LOL

Yes, I followed you.
In fact, I'm watching you right now!
And yes, you are attempting to change the topic by saying "I guess learning that our federal government lies to us has a few youngsters here at DU all atwitter."
Which, as I pointed out, is hogwash!

[howaboutme]

108. One great attribute of Jesse Ventura

is that he has not gone through the Harvard - Goldman filter of group think. So many of those with influence, position, mouthpiece and ability to to tell us how things are, or how they should be are "graduates" of same or similar elitist programs.

They tend to see things much differently than the rest of us and are much less likely to question the status quo. It is absolutely why cultural diversity in government and business is so important.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-harvard-goldman-filter-keeps-too-big-to-fail-banks-intact-2009-12

edited: correct link