Harley Guy IDed: Mark Walsh, Freelance Reporter for Fox News

[Bolo Boffin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q6dUd8T4o4

The full video explains a lot. It's amazing to once again see one of the chief talking points of the 9/11 Truth turn out to be one more selectively edited, cherry picked video.

[Ghost in the Machine]

1. Which talking point would that be?

Serious question, because this is the first time I've heard of "Harley Guy"... I mainly focus on PNAC when it comes to 9-11. My thinking is that if it was an inside job, PNAC/NeoCons were involved. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz & Feith, just to mention a few.

What's the controversy over "Harley Guy"?

[Bolo Boffin]

2. Google is your friend. Not I. n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

3. You posted the OP, not Google....

Are you unable to clarify the point you're trying to make?

[Bolo Boffin]

4. I don't see any need to clarify my point to you. Google is quite able to do so.

Enjoy.

[Ghost in the Machine]

5. Do you often post stuff on a discussion board that you don't actually want to discuss?

Seems like a waste of time, but how anyone chooses to waste their time isn't my decision...

[Bolo Boffin]

6. Not discussing things with you doesn't mean I don't want to discuss anything.

I think by now in our association here, you would understand that.

[Ghost in the Machine]

7. I'm just wanting to understand what the "critical talking point" is about Harley Guy

.. without wasting my time looking through a bunch of bullshit online. How I waste my time is my decision. You were obviously trying to make a point that was important enough to you to post about it, so what was it? You could have just explained yourself by now and we could both be on our way to other things.

[Bolo Boffin]

8. It is entirely within your power to make me care about explaining things to you. n/t

[jberryhill]

9. There's an entire blog about it here:

http://911-harley-shirt-guy.blogspot.com/2009/05/mark-adrian-humphrey-actor-is-harley.html

[Ghost in the Machine]

10. Thank you, Mr Berryhill...

So, from what I gather, someone was convinced that "Harley Guy" was someone else, posted some video excerpts of the guy, and it took 9 years to figure out he was someone else? Did the author of the blog not have the full video that Bolo linked to, where it identified the speaker.. or did he purposely leave that information out, or what?

[jberryhill]

11. The Pilots for 9/11 Truth guys make a big deal out of him

But, look, if the Harley Guy is not relevant to your set of issues, then it's just as easy to say, "Oh this one has to do with theories to which I don't subscribe" than to get into an extended tit-for-tat over it.

I don't know the answers to your questions, I just googled it. I had never heard the the Harley Guy either.

btw, I have a question for you that I'll ask by PM. If you get a kick out of birthers, there are some happenings in TN that some folks on a birther-watcher blog would like a set of eyeballs for.

[Ghost in the Machine]

12. Thanks again... check your PM.... n/t

[jberryhill]

13. Awesome /nt

[BeFree]

14. "Cheif talking point" !?!?!? Never heard of it.

Very tempted to use the old "wtf are you babbling about?" line, but I won't.
Ghost already tried to drag it out of you and you refused, so, nevermind.

[Bolo Boffin]

15. Aw, don't go away mad. n/t

[BeFree]

16. So, you admit...

...the "chief talking point" is a fail?
Just made up to attract attention?

[Bolo Boffin]

17. No. What an odd thing for you to think. n/t

[BeFree]

18. What is odd?

That it is "fail" or even false.
Or that you used that term just get attention?

[Bolo Boffin]

19. That you would think I've admitted any such thing.

The premises are silly as well.

[BeFree]

20. Well

It was false. And it got my attention. So....

[Bolo Boffin]

21. No, it was not false. Walsh is being used currently in the opening part of AE911Truth's presentation

He's part of the first clip from 911Mysteries. He was used in the recent National Press Club mock debate that AE911Truth patted itself on the back with last September 11th.

You may be completely unaware of how Walsh is used in the larger 9/11 Truth community. But it is a chief talking point that the "official story" was injected into the public consciousness on 9/11 by such people like Walsh. His tendency for soundbites and vivid, concise speech is used to undermine the information he's giving. But he's actually just a freelance video guy who witnessed this event and knew he would be on camera explaining it, and spent some time thinking about what he would say. That's it.

[BeFree]

22. Ok

Finally got bolo to explain, thanks.

Question: How many "Chief talking points" do we have, and can you list those points?
Shouldn't take an expert like you very long. Two, three days maybe?

Thanks ahead of time.

[Ghost in the Machine]

29. How did he *know* "he would be on camera explaining it"?

Did he call a news station? Did they call him? How did he *know*?

[Bolo Boffin]

33. It is entirely within your power to make me care about answering your questions. n/t

[Name removed]

35. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Ghost in the Machine]

55. So, you have no answer? Just what I thought...n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

65. Having no answer for you does not equal having an answer.

You are best advised to end your obsession with me.

[Ghost in the Machine]

67. If you don't want to, or can't, answer questions on a public discussion board,

you are best advised to stop posting on said public discussion board. Otherwise, your posting here opens you to questions. If you can't answer a simple question, a simple "I don't know" will suffice.


"You are best advised to end your obsession with me."

:spray: Suffer from delusions of grandeur much?? :spray:

[Bolo Boffin]

74. Thank you for your opinions. n/t

[zappaman]

56. he probably knew because he probably called the network

since he was a freelancer and knows them or they called him and asked him if he would go on camera.
So, he probably gave himself time to prepare. How much time? Who knows?
You would need to ask him.
But, what is so mysterious about that?
It happens all the time.
I once witnessed a robbery and after I was done talking to the police, the news crew asked if I would go on "live" to answer some questions. About 10 minutes later, I was on the air.
And during those 10 minutes, I thought about what I was going to say and how I was going to say it.
Because I KNEW I was going on the air...

[eomer]

57. So you agree it sounds scripted. n/t

[zappaman]

58. no

why are you putting words in my mouth?

[Ghost in the Machine]

62. Ok, that's a plausible scenario...

What's the big controversy though? Was it his identity, his demeanor? With him being a free lancer, I could understand him preparing a little bit first. It looks to me like he was using the camera like a resume' or a screen test, trying to make an impression with the station managers and the viewers alike. Maybe he was auditioning for a full time gig?

[zappaman]

68. I do not know what the big controversy is either

my experience was-I went thru it in my head just so I wouldn't look like a total idiot on camera(just a regular idiot) but I can't say if he was trying to get a bigger gig or not.
Certainly wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

[Ghost in the Machine]

85. My experience with the news station went a little differently...

I was standing in the rubble that used to be my home in Florida City, Florida after Hurricane Andrew. They mentioned something about the devastation and I looked at them and said "naw, a few shingles and a gallon of paint and we'll have it fixed like new"... of course they didn't run it lol... it seemed like they were around trying to prey on peoples' misery at the time...

[zappaman]

88. of course

if it bleeds it leads.
had you cried, you would have made the cut...

[Ghost in the Machine]

89. "We got the bubble-headed bleached blonde who comes on at 5, she'll tell you about the plane crash

.. with a gleam in her eye. it's interesting when people die, we love dirty laundry..."

Don Henley had it right....


Peace,

Ghost

[immune]

69. The first question should be

Who is Mark Walsh? Has anybody ever heard of him before? Or since? Has he ever written anything?

The man in the video was earlier identified as Jerome Hauer, former OEM for New York City under Giuliani, and I'm wondering if this "outing" is nothing but a latter day attempt to discredit that identification.

[Ghost in the Machine]

84. This sure as hell doesn't look like Harley Guy, does it?

Mark Walsh


Mark Walsh is a freelance writer for the ABA Journal, covering the U.S. Supreme Court. He also writes for Education Week and has appeared as a commentator for C-SPAN, Court TV, Fox News, National Public Radio and BBC Radio

http://www.abajournal.com/authors/4711/


I'm still looking for others...

[immune]

86. Nope. Not our guy.

But if you watch the interview with Jerome Hauer linked below and visualize him in a harley shirt and a ball cap and add some really poor lighting, there is a definite resemblance to our harley guy.

oops, linky not worky ... try again.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj0Rz9ZsDAg

[Ghost in the Machine]

91. No, the voices are completely different and the guy from your link looks much older than Harley Guy

I'm just not seeing the resemblance at all....

[immune]

92. Okay.

It just reminds me of how different some people look when they take off their ball cap.

The guys at ae911truth, as well as others seem to think it is Hauer, at least they're sure enough about that to put it in some upcoming film or something. Its hard to believe they'd say something like that without some strong evidence. Besides, if it WAS Hauer and it was a "newsop", he'd probably attempt to alter his appearance and intonation as much as possible for the camera. Guess I'll just wait to see what comes of it.

[Ghost in the Machine]

93. Well maybe someone else is seeing a resemblance, and they could know way more than I do about that

... because I don't much about video comparisons, but to me, the voices were the first thing that didn't match.

You do make a valid point about with and without a hat.. some people do look totally different..

[deconstruct911]

95. Hauer was too busy being a guest for the media on 9 11

Probably why he left the OEM in 2000. He didn't want to be busy when they needed him selling the myth in the first few hours.

[Ghost in the Machine]

97. What about this guy?

http://www.movieweb.com/movie/ratatouille/dylan-brown-and-mark-walsh-interview

[immune]

94. Well, now that I put it out there

I decided I'd better try to back it up (a little late) ... nada. So consider that business about ae911truth retracted, the only thing I could find on their site is questioning WHO the guy is. ...... immune > :spank:

Even so, the Mark Walsh claim still doesn't pass the smell test. It looks like no one's ever heard of him outside of that clip. So if he ISN'T Mark Walsh ... who is he?

[Ghost in the Machine]

98. Here's one to check out too..

http://noolmusic.com/spike_videos/movies_for_the_masses__interviews__mark_walsh.php

The eyebrows and facial expressions are much closer on this guy

[terrafirma]

23. It was enough of a talking point

for some other truthers here to start a thread that basically leads off with "Harley Guy" entitled "9/11 Clues EVERYONE MISSED".

[immune]

44. What are you talking about?

The thread entitled "9/11 clues EVERYONE MISSED" was the reporting of "just another regular guy on the street" named Jerome Hauer, not Mark Walsh. It would be nice if you guys could get your stories straight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq04_KhCeI

[zappaman]

45. you're one to lecture someone else on getting their story straight?

LOL!
He referenced the wrong topic title...big deal.
It's not like he claimed the flights on 9/11 were intended to be short flights and wasted fuel by flying around the country for hours, right?

[terrafirma]

61. So "Cover Story #1" in that video

Is a different Harley t-shirt dude??

[Make7]

63. Do you post things like that on purpose...

... for the comedic value? If so, well done.
 

[travis80]

24. How did this extended video prove the Harley Guy was not a perp?

That's the chief talking point about the Harley Guy.

[Bolo Boffin]

25. It gives his identity and why he was so "sound-bitey".

He worked in video and knew the kind of quotes the media would be looking for.

[travis80]

26. Oh, because he has experience reporting in front of the camera? n/t

[eomer]

27. All of which would also make him an obvious choice...

if they were looking to get someone to deliver certain points into the news stream that day. He was "a freelancer for Fox" -- that revelation is supposed to convince us that he wasn't a plant? Really?

I don't see anything in the longer video that's inconsistent with the original allegation. That looks just like how they would have done it, if they did it.

Here's the part that raised suspicions:

And then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first and then the second, mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense.

Where did he get that conclusion about the cause of collapse? Out of his ass is your answer. But maybe he got it from somewhere else, somewhere darker.

[spooked911]

28. exactly

this longer video hardly disproves that the guy is a shill.

By the way, I never really bought the idea that this guy was Mark Humphrey.

What WOULD be good, now that we know who this guy is, is to interview him, and ask how he figured out the structural failure thing-- or if someone fed him that line.

[zappaman]

30. yes

the whole 9/11 sham rests on this guy blowing it on TV.
Because there is ZERO evidence that a large commercial airliner loaded with fuel crashed into the WTC causing major structural damage and out of control fires that burned unabated.

[eomer]

31. yes

somebody said that. for sure.

/sarcasm.

[eomer]

32. They stated up front that he is a professional liar (a "freelance for Fox").

So I doubt that asking him would be very fruitful.

[Bolo Boffin]

34. He got that conclusion from watching the intense fires, the damage, and the collapse.

"Out of his ass" are your words. They were his opinion, I'll grant you that.

"But maybe he got it from somewhere else, somewhere darker."

Darker than out of his ass? What, he'd put in lighting?

[eomer]

36. Well, the point is that there were various alternatives possible at that point but he seems to know.

Meanwhile there are police and fire professionals who at that time believe the collapse was caused by secondary explosions they heard that were in turn caused by secondary devices. But this guy somehow knows different, knows that it was not due to secondary devices, knows that it was due to impact and fires. The level of conviction he says it with sounds contrived to me, as does that whole statement that I excerpted.

This small fragment doesn't prove anything, one way or the other (and no one said that it did). It just looks and sounds fishy, that's all.

[terrafirma]

37. Cause it's so odd

that a Fox reporter and a Fox freelancer would end up hooking up for a quick soundbite or two. I mean... really!?!!?

We all know that CNN freelancers exist in greater numbers on that block. This dude is obviously a hand-picked plant....

[eomer]

38. What seems weird is not just getting a soundbite; the soundbite seems prescient and scripted.

You couple the seeming prescience/lucky guess with the fact that it sounds scripted and finally add to it that the guy is a Fox freelancer and it gives the appearance of a plant.

But maybe it wasn't - maybe he was just a really lucky guesser with a weird way of talking.

[terrafirma]

41. No...

A "really lucky guess" would be if he said that alien lizards led by a guy named Bob kicked the towers over with space-age Converses, and turned out to be right.

[CJCRANE]

43. Exactly. I think it's even worse that he works for Fox! nt

[Bolo Boffin]

48. Now is that any way to talk about Fox when they've just started tolerating 9/11 Truth? n/t

[spooked911]

39. funny though-- he does say "mostly due to structural failure"

--so, that leaves some room for demolition as part of the mechanism.

[SDuderstadt]

40. Maybe you can sign him up as...

a "truther"! Go for it, Spooked. Make us proud!

[spooked911]

52. what do YOU think he meant by "mostly"?

Seriously would like to know.

[SDuderstadt]

53. He's secretly signaling you...

dude.

He obviously can't come out and way he's a "truther", can he?

[spooked911]

99. could I have a serious answer, please?

[SDuderstadt]

100. No...

not until you ask a question worth taking seriously.

[BeFree]

42. There is evidence of a planned demolition

They would not have built such large structures in an urban environment without a plan.
It would have been stupid to not plan the removal safely.

[Bolo Boffin]

46. Excellent! Perhaps you could produce these plans. n/t

[immune]

47. Jerome Hauer interviewed on ABC

talks about demolition plans.

http://www.videos.es/reproductor/jeromehauerabc9111453-(Dj0Rz9ZsDAg

Jerome Hauer worked for Kroll inc. He hired former FBI director John P O'Neill to work as security director for WTC complex. John P O'Neill started his new job at the World Trade Center on August 23, 2001, just 19 days before the attacks. (Lawrence Wright, The New Yorker, January 14, 2002) He was appointed by Kroll Associates, namely by the managing director Jerome Hauer. Kroll inc. Is a subsidiary of Marsh & McLennan Companies, the corporation held offices on 8 floors of the North Tower.

Search ResultsLetters: Vital unresolved anthrax questions and ABC News - Salon
The man who advised the White House to start taking Cipro on 9-11 was Jerome Hauer. ... Friday, August 1, 2008 05:05 PM ET Dots that have been left out of this picture
letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/​2008/08/01/anthrax/... - Cached

Jerome Hauer - was onsite on 9/11 prepared with a story about Osama Bin Laden - interviewed just hours after the attack to begin the mantra of the official story of terrorists in Afghanistan.
http://www.channelingreality.com/The_Coup/911_Solutions/911_Solutions_main.htm

now visualize a harley shirt and cap on the guy in the video linked above and what do you see?

Then do a search for your guy, Mark Walsh + fox, or Mark Walsh + freelance and see what you get. I found an article on Mexico written by someone with that name for AP. That's it.

[deconstruct911]

101. Truly unbelievable re anthrax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pHsf_ej5bk

Look who shows up again.

[BeFree]

59. Good idea, Bolo

That is an angle that someone else had, but, alas, they were <GOSH> stonewalled.

It just goes to show, again, why we need an new and independent investigation.

Your question might be: "Please produce any plans for the removal of large office towers of NYC."?

[whatchamacallit]

49. File this bizarre thread under

" OCTers who don't have the sense to leave things that don't help them alone" Amazing...

[Bolo Boffin]

50. Demonstrating the cherrypicking ways of 9/11 Truth doesn't help my argument?

Now THAT's bizarre.

[whatchamacallit]

51. There's nothing in the vid that dispels the notion that he's a plant

The fact that he works for FOX (the neocon network) only makes it worse. Your twisted "he's a sound-bitey kind of guy" argument shows the lengths to which you're willing to go. A smart debunker would simply let this sleeping dog lie.

[Bolo Boffin]

54. Thank you for your concern. n/t

[terrafirma]

60. Since when

do "notions" even come close to actual facts?

Sorry he comes across as a plant to you. Doesn't make it so. But you go ahead and keep trying to win the argument based on "your gut".

[whatchamacallit]

78. Bolo's argument that his vocation shaped his infomercial style

is pure gut.

[terrafirma]

80. No more so...

... than "Who says stuff like that? Must be a plant hand picked by the PTB to start people thinking what they want them to think."

At least Bolo gives an plausible explanation based in reality as to why he said what he said. You guys just think your personal incredulity is enough to back up your argument.

[mrarundale]

64. Ooh a Fox News reporter

now there is some credibility for you. Funny how so many "witnesses" worked for the media.

[Bolo Boffin]

66. I repeat: is that any way to talk about Fox when they've just started tolerating 9/11 Truth? n/t

[deconstruct911]

71. yes

[Bolo Boffin]

72. You've got the most watched cable news network approving of your theories and you trash them.

Somebody needs a Dale Carnegie course.

[deconstruct911]

81. No

Generally people stick with what they are originally told and Fox did a terrific job selling the 9 11 OCT. What Fox or any corporate media station does a decade later doesn't change that for me.

[whatchamacallit]

79. I love how for years you and FOX have had solidarity on 9/11 then

some anchor strays off the reservation, and you cynically try to hang your media soulmate around our neck. :eyes:

[Bolo Boffin]

83. Yes, because Fox News is the only one gatekeeping 9/11 Truth out there.

:eyes:

[SDuderstadt]

90. "I love how for years you and FOX have had solidarity on 9/11"

Talk about a red herring. Can you point to a single debunker that approved of the war with Iraq?


Trying to associate us with Fox is just another "truther" dirty trick. Stupid post.

[mrarundale]

111. They aren't "tolerating " it. They are misdirecting it.

you know about misdirection don't you? Like characterizing a truth movement by something only a few people pointed out?

[travis80]

70. "A freelancer for FOX" -- can't find evidence for

I can't find anywhere where this "freelancer" has contributed to FOX News. Has anybody?

[Bolo Boffin]

73. Other than appearing on Fox News and being described by reporter as freelancer, you mean. n/t

[travis80]

102. um yeah, thought that was apparent.

if you're a little slow, i can be more detailed next time.

interesting that FOX clip looks to be the ONLY time this "Mark Walsh" is ever seen.

[Bolo Boffin]

103. Why would a freelancer be seen in front of the camera necessarily?

Why do you need more evidence that Mark Walsh was a freelancer for Fox besides his description as such live on the Fox News Channel by a Fox reporter? Is that somehow not enough?

[travis80]

104. didn't think a liberal like you would blindly believe FOX news.

what is this world coming to?!!!

[Bolo Boffin]

105. And the wheels on the bus go round and round.

"This guy talks in soundbites! He must be fake."

"This guy worked for Fox and knows what they're looking for in an interview."

"How do we know this guy ever worked for Fox?"

"Fox said he did."

"Yeah, but they lie all the time."

"Why would they lie about this?"

"Because they're part of the plot by planting the official story."

"How are they planting the official story?"

"Because they had this guy on who talks in soundbites! He must be fake."

[travis80]

106. is it too much to ask for confirmation about Mark Walsh?

if he does media work and has experience in video as you suggested, there's a good chance his pic with his name is out there somewhere.

a simple confirmation is all i ask.

[Bolo Boffin]

107. If you don't believe the Fox reporter or Fox News here, why would you believe them saying it again?

It would be just part of the cover story.

If you could find other citations online, well, that can be faked these days, can't it?

If you could find other citations from somewhere other than Fox, well, the CIA is good at building false identities, aren't they?

It just never ends. You will always be able to find a reason to doubt what's in front of your face.

[travis80]

108. not necessarily disbelieving FOX news

maybe this Mark Walsh has a phony freelancer press badge and the FOX reporter was just repeating what this guy claimed to be.

i just want to see confirmation this Mark Walsh is who they claim to be. is that too much to ask for? shouldn't be too hard to confirm if he is who he says.

[Bolo Boffin]

109. Well, go back and watch it again.

The reporter clearly knows who Mark Walsh is. It's evident in the way he introduces him. He's not greeting someone who handed him a press badge.

As I said, the need for confirmation will never end. There's the reporter right there live on Fox News introducing the guy. For you, that's not enough. For those who don't want to believe, the ability to manufacture reasons not to believe will never end.

[travis80]

112. you need to watch it again because he's wearing a press pass.

it quite possible this Mark Walsh guy just walked up to Rick L and said told him he's a freelancer who's done work for FOX before and then showed Rick is press pass. maybe Rick checked with FOX to confirm, or maybe Rick just took his word and press pass for it and didn't double check. there's no way to know. that's why it would be prudent to confirm this Mark Walsh is who he says.

[Bolo Boffin]

114. Have fun storming the castle. n/t

[travis80]

116. have you seen a non-9/11 video with Mark Walsh in it?

have you seen his picture somewhere else with his name to confirm him?

[Bolo Boffin]

117. Sorry, Glenn Beck's jaguar god nonsense is a lot more interesting to me right now

than going round and round in circles with you.

[travis80]

118. how is asking for confirmation going around in circles? n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

119. Post #105. n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

120. "....and being described by reporter as freelancer.." Yeah, and Fox labeled Mark Foley, Mark Sanford

and a few other disgraced republicans as Democrats, too... just because Fox did that, does it make it true?





You sure do put a lot of trust in Fox News, don't you? Why should we, or anyone else, trust them?

[immune]

75. Exactly.

I went looking for something. Zilch.

[Bolo Boffin]

76. Other than the actual film clip where the actual Fox News reporter calls him a freelancer for Fox

on the actual Fox News channel, you mean. You didn't find anything else other than that.

[immune]

77. Never heard of dubbing?

And while that probably isn't true, if the reporter doing the interview was given the "witness's" name and position ... why would he even question it? Remember, everything was chaos that day.

Even so, there have been many comments about the reporter shoving other people away to make sure harley guy got the microphone. And that video is very dark. Rooky cameraman, too, I guess.

So besides that one most important interview ... lets hear about all Walsh's other work for Fox. Got anything else?

[Bolo Boffin]

82. My goodness. n/t

[immune]

87. That was supposed

to be an answer? Surely you can show us a bio or link us to some of Mark's work.

[Bolo Boffin]

96. The only person that can get you out of that nonsensical entrenched position

is yourself. I don't feel the need to do anything more than point the way back to reality.

[travis80]

110. this Mark Walsh didn't seem very shocked or awed

from supposedly witnessing the entire thing from "beginning to end."

i mean he starts off by saying "Dude, ..." as if he just witnessed a non-fatal bad accident.

[mrarundale]

113. So what's the opposite of "truth" BB?

the word for the anti-truth people seems to be sort of like "light" and "vampire".

[Bolo Boffin]

115. :eyes: n/t