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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 09:24 PM
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Is there any actual EVIDENCE that debris in Shanksville was planted/staged?
You know, real EVIDENCE that debris was actually planted at the crash site?
Not "what ifs" or suppositions or it "doesn't look right to me"...
If there is, present it here.
Would love to see it!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 11:41 PM
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1. What debris?
The tail section? Wings? You have evidence of tail section and wings? If you do, present it.
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 11:51 PM
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2. 95% for that matter. nt
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terrafirma Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:12 AM
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3. You can identify a plane crash
without the tail section and wings, contrary to what Spooked would have you believe. And there is plenty of evidence of plane wreckage at Shanksville.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:33 AM
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5. Really?
You have have the evidence somewhere? Any of tail section or wings? What do you have?
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terrafirma Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:49 AM
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6. Search for evidence
from the Moussaoui trial. There's all sorts of stuff there.

And again... because you missed it the first time.

You don't need wings and tail to tell it's a plane crash.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 12:41 PM
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20. So
You got nothing? 'Bout what I figured. All blow and no show. Same shit, different poster.

Go search? What a crock. If you had evidence you'd post it.
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:32 AM
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4. Yes
Planted?. I can’t say that the black box from flight was planted. Or if it was even in Shanksville.

But what was said about the black box that was looked at by experts, is that the black box that is said to have come from the crash site in Shanksville was the wrong black box.

Because the recording had recorded components on it that the plane that crashed at Shanksville did not have on it.

Morgan Reynold radio show recordings. It would take a lot of digging to find it.

www.nomoregames.net

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

It’s in here some where. It will take you about three month to listen to all of the tapes and find nit.

I lessoned to it about 5 years ago.

The same tape also tells why they know why the” Let’s Roll ” Rush tape was faked. And the phone calls were faked.

They caught them in about five different lies.
Fun to Listen to.
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mrarundale Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:26 AM
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7. You mean like the cell phones the "heroes" used?
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 01:30 AM by mrarundale
and "airphones"..LOL.
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:33 AM
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8. If they lied about the black box. What all else did they lie about?
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 01:35 AM by Larry L. Burks
Planes are not like cars. All of the components have a part number on it. It also has a serial number on it.

Any time that part is changed it is recorded in the log of the master records

This means that the black box and the voice recorder had such numbers on it.

They showed them the black box with out showing them the master records. It how you verifies that this is the same recorder that came from the crashed pane from Shanksville.

There is no Master Record

The didn’t know where or the didn’t prove where the black box came from.

The people said that the black box was burnt so bad that little if any info could have been retrieved off it.

The think is that the black box is fire proof. They don’t burn. Crash proof. And every thing else proof. They send out a single. You can’t loose one.

The cell phones that we had back in 2001 didn’t have a good receiver. The only place you could pick up a single was in a big city.

Flight 93 was said to
be flying out back in Pa. What is refered to as a dead zone. You can’t pick up a single.

Flight 93 didn’t have a in house phone.

The voice recorder does not have a mike in the back of the plane. It only records the voices off the head set.
We were told that they had shout off the radio. The voice recorder was burnt to bad to lift any recording that had the so called “Let’s Roll” recording.

And Rush was playing the Let’s Roll “ tape before they had time to examined the recorders.

Where did Rush get his tape at?”

The White House.

Where did the White House get it?

They just made it all up out of thin air as they went a lone.

Ever thing was faked about the black box and the voice recorder. To the high heavens.

Didn’t any of you listen to the tapes by Reynold as they were being posted over the past five years.

Why is it that only I know about the tapes. Where were you for the past five years?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 01:50 AM
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9. The "let's roll" comment...
didn't come from the CVR, dude. It came from a phone conversation.

Duh.
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:33 PM
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11.  UFO cell phone story Crashes at Shanksville Again!
You never did do what I asked you to do.

You never went and listen to the Morgan Reynolds tapes.

How would I know this?

There is about 100 hours of talk on those tapes. You haven’t had time to listen to them all.

And if you had. You would never have said what you just said.

They just didn’t say you can’t pick up a single in a airplane from a cell phone.

The took their cell phone and went up in a airplane and tried to do the same thing with a cell phone that flight 93 said they did,

It didn’t work. Try it your self.

When they found out that the cell phone story wasn’t working any more.

They changed their story. And said they got the tape off the voice recorder.

Then it came to light that the voice recorder didn’t have a mike in the back of the plane.

Then they changed their story again. They said that they got it off of the black box.

Well. That story didn’t work either because the black box was from the wrong type of aircraft. Different from the one that is said to have crashed in Pa.

So. Now days. What do they do.

They can’t talk about. It’s to awful. Just awful. And they can’t talk about.

Go figure.

That’s the same thing they said about the UFO thing in Roswell. NM

So. What does that tell you?.

What kind of statement does it make about you.

Check it out before you speak.. Please

When they keep having to change their story over and over and over and over again. What does it mean?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:36 PM
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12. They were on a seatback phone...
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 08:54 PM by SDuderstadt
dude.

Duh.

P.S. Only the world's most clueless "perp" would have initially claimed the "let's roll" comment was picked up on the cvr, since it only records voices in the cockpit. Do you honestly think the "perps" would concoct a story about the passengers rushing the cockpit, then claim they planned it in the cockpit? Similarly, no "perp" would ever claim that the comment was picked up on the flight data recorder, because the fdr does precisely what it implies it does, namely records FLIGHT DATA. Duh.

Serious question. Do you comprehend the things you read? We already know that you don't pause to think about the bizarrely stupid things you write here. I sincerely beg you to quit embarrassing DU with your babbling.
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:52 AM
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10. LOS
Flight 93 was said to be flying out back in Pa. What is refered to as a dead zone. You can’t pick up a single.

You do realize that a ground level dead zone isn't quite the same as one miles up in the air. It isn't an unknown concept, it is why radio masts have been so high for the last century...
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:58 PM
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13.  The real Hero of 9/11 ? Let the Truth be Known
What the hell is wrong with this Stupid Dust. It don’t want to do right.

Look at these videos of the twin towers when they are falling Down close to the bottom of the page.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/cc/criticscorner.html#evidence

Ask your self. What’s wrong with this picture.

Did you see it.

The dust. It’s not doing right. I mean. Right like dust does when it falls down.

The dust is not going out from the building. Like it should

It goes out so far. Then it reverses it’s movement. And goes back in the direction that it came from.

The building is imploding. Not exploding.

And the dust is falling just as fast as big heavy chunks of steel, and rocks.

But when you look at other pictures of the building after it fell. The dust is very fine.

Why is it that this fine dust is falling at such a high rate of speed?

And if the dust is of larger pieces. How was it able to change it’s direction in a free fall and start going in the other direction.

The flashes of light that can be seen.

You can curve space to the point that atom are turned in to light.
When atoms turn into light. The atom is no more. It causes a vacuum to form. It will suck every thin the air toward the hole left by the missing atom that turned in to light.

Look at what the dust cloud is doing. When the building is falls

This is not right. It’s not right at all?

But when you find out what is happening. What is happening to the dust The dust is doing what it should be doing. The building is imploding from the inside out.

This is why there is a large part of the mass of the building.

And this is why the building fell down into it’s own foot print.

Can jet fuel make some thing like this happen? No way.

There is no way that jet fuel can turn atoms into light.

Curved can produce evidence that is like no other. This type of evidence can not be faked.

And that is just the tip of the ice burg of what they are not telling you about the events that took place on 9/11.

I have thought a lot about talking about this. But some one needs to tell the truth about 9/11. The world need to know the truth about what happened on 9/11.

In order to track the history of mans knowledge of how to form worm holes and curve space. You have to know what kind of evidence it will produce.

If curved space can turn 500,000 tons of concrete and steel into dust and light.

What would it do to human flesh and bones? Not good. Not good at all.

Down in Central America. There bare carving of a snake.

The snake has large chunks of it’s flesh missing. There are no scales where the flesh is missing.

Curved space can make you shin to rip off your body. Skinned a live. Like shinning a animal. Like pulling a sox off your foot. Turning it inside out when you do.

When every this happens there is a lot of pain. It feels like your shin is on fire.

It is a knee jerk reaction to run when ever you catch on fire.

Knowing this I want you to look at some videos.


http://www.youtube.com/user/AlienScientist#p/a/f/1/8XRMrMdn0NQ

There are two thing I want you to see.

The first is where they put on the so called “Hero on 9/11” The man who when around and unlocked the escape doors. Why were the escape doors locked?

The Hero tells a story of how he ran into a man that the skin on this arm had been pilled off. Sox turn inside out. And his shin what dangling from his finger tips.

The Hero thought it was his long sleeved shirt. It turn out to be his shin.

The other thing in the video to look at is where there is a flash of light and the hind wheels of the car lift off the ground.

Why I’m saying a flash and not an explosion. Is there are no debris flying through the air like what happens when there is an explosion.

The is a flash of light. Atoms are being turned into light. and a the same time the car rises off the ground. In order to curve space to the point where atoms are being turned into light.

The same curved space would have an effect on gravity. And heavy object like cars will come up off the ground a flat through the air.

There is talk where people reported of floating through the air.

Find the videos where it shows where people are jumping out of the building.

The one I want you to watch is the one where there is a man standing on the edge. At the corner of the building. He is standing there and holding on to a I-beam of steel.

Suddenly he let’s go of the bean. And jumps back a way from the beam.

Then a few seconds there is a woman that comes running out of the building.

What is odd about the running woman is that she is running so fast that she has run out of her shoes. And after she clears the building and is free falling. She is still running as fast as she can.

What was she running from. Or better yet. Why was she running.

Was it that her skin was on fire.

Or was it as if her skin was on fire.

She was running because her skin was felling as if it was on fire.

What they don’t what you to know about is how some of the rescue worker that made it up to here the floors were at that had the hole in them
What the bodies looked like. Some were turned into a white ash, and still had there clothing on. And was not burnt in any way. Some had big holes missing from there bodies.
Some had there skin rip off their bodies.

Jet fuel can not produce this kind of evidence.

And you can’t say that it never happen because we have pictures that are written in stone. They don’t lie.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:10 PM
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14. um
okay.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:43 PM
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15. I believe that the "9/11 was an jnside job" movement should...
make Larry their national spokesman.

The "movement" would be laughed out of its misery within about 60 days. Unfortunately, DU will continue to be embarrassed by Larry's babbling in the interim.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:34 PM
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16. so, no real evidence of any planted/staged debris?
Nobody saw strangers from out of town scurrying around Shanksville and driving a truck to the field late at night?
No one saw a backhoe rolling out to the field to dig a hole?
No one saw strangers blackening the trees around the crash site?

Nothing, huh?
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:24 PM
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17. There is not a lot of pictures of Shanksville
It would be hard to prove if any one brought any thing in to the crash site. But you can sure prove what they brought out of the crash site.

A lot of talk and what picture there. They don’t show much. A of people standing around. Where are the picture of the parts of the plane that crashed? I want to see a real airplane. Every pieces of a real airplane. A hole real airplane.

In a real airplane crash. They go out into the field and find every pieces till they have enough parts to where if you put all the parts back together again.
The thing would fly like a champ.

No piece left behind.

A few pieces of a plane that some one said they saw. But didn’t take any pictures of.

Does not make a airplane crash.

It’s not like Hollywood.

When ever they do an investigation of a airplane crash. They find very piece of that plane. I mean every piece.

They take it all back to a real big hanger. And lay it all out. Every part of the plane is accounted for. If there are any missing pikes. They go back and look for it till they find it. Every nut. Every washer. Every bolt. Every thing. Every person.

No part is left behind.

And it stays in that hanger till every one is satisfied that they know why that plane crashed.

Even if it takes fifty years. They don’t destroy evidence to a crime seine.

They never did an investigation on any plane that crash at Shanksville.

If they did. You could go to where the hanger is at where they are storing the craft. And look at it your self.

You tell me where that plane is being stored. And I will go there and look at it my self.

And came back here and tell you if it is real or not.

It is a felony to destroy evidence in a murder case. They can’t destroy that evidence till some one is charged with the crime and it goes to court.

And even after some one is convicted with the crime. They still can’t destroy the evidence. Because they may have to reopen the case at a later time.

If they don’t have a hanger filled with all the pieces of that plane storied in it.

A few pieces of a plane does not make a plane crash. You have to have a hole plane in order to have a hole plane crash. This the way it works.

Sound bites is not going to cut it here.

There is no hanger.

There is no plane.

We have been given a snow job.

Now go listen to all of Morgan’s tapes. Like I asked you to. And you will know about what I’m talking about.

You can??t fake a plane crash like they do in the movies.

Either it crashed or it didn’t.

No hole plane = No hole plane crash. Do the math.
There is no such thing as a half plane crash

Show me the plane.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:24 PM
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18. How do you indict a dead person...
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 11:25 PM by SDuderstadt
dude?

Do you realize how unhinged your posts are?
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:42 PM
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21. Indict a dead person. What dead person would that be?
There are no dead persons on Flight 93.

Are sure you reading my posts.

There is no such thing as a half plane crash.

There are only hole plane crashes.

Flight 93 is said to be a half plane crash.


Half plane crashes = No plane crash.

There fore.

No plane crash = no dead people.

What on earth have you ever read or heard that would lead you into believing that there is such a thing as.

Half dead people in half plane crashes?

Half dead people in half plane crashes = Whole lies.


I believe you have some explaining to do here and you must apologize and say that you sorry what you have said.

Less you lose your credibility and are branded a babbling fool for ever more in the eyes, harts, and mines of every one here.

What says Ye?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:47 PM
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22. I'm sorry that...
DU doesn't impose some sort of literacy test for people to post here.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 01:54 PM
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23. sorry, dude...
I think Larry may be a little over your head.
Larry, please update your website...the anti-gravity stuff is fascinating!
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 02:02 PM
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24. Is that your Reply.
So be it.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 02:05 PM
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25. Actually...
let me expand upon my reply.

Once again, I sincerely beg you to quit embarrassing liberalism, the Democratic Party and DU with your confused, disjointed nonsense.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:28 AM
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19. Allll-righty, then. Moving right along to our next caller...
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 02:28 PM
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26. My website is about gravity.
What my website is about is the number one reason why they have to cover up 9/11 to keep people like you from finding out about how to Manipulate Gravity

The government knows how to do this.

A leak from Dr.Kock. Who works for NASA. Is how I found out about how to do it.

NASA is part of the government.

But now after 9/11. They used it before the eyes of the public. It is no longer a secret.

So what did they do. They made a law that says that it is illegal to build a device that is a nuclear device

A device that produces a radon particle.

I worked on this for 25 years. And in order to shut me down they had to pass a law.

I could move out side of the US and still do it. I’m not moving any where.

So I can kiss the worm hole thing good by.

And move on to the next caller.

Magnets.

Magnets will not get you to the stars. I wasn’t thing about going there any way.

But, Magnets will get you on down the road. And create JOBs. JOBs JOBs.

I’m thinking about getting a new website just for magnets.

This Way it would simplify thing for every body

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