Former FBI agent talks about chem-trails:

[Mist]

http://aircrap.org/former-fbi-chief-ted-gunderson-says-chemtrail-death-dumps-must-be-stopped/33301/

Chemtrails are an occasionally-occuring subject here.

[SDuderstadt]

1. Chemtrails!

Ted Gunderson!

Yay!

Mist, do you believe contrails are "chemtrails"?

[defendandprotect]

2. Thanks for the Gunderson video and the website .... last weekend we had

unbelievable activity over us here in NJ -- on Saturday we were in towns

North of us and saw the beginning of the activity -- and on Sunday we were

down at the shore and all the way down there was heavy activity.

Always wondering why Americans don't look up at the sky once in a while -- ?

Amazing that they don't!

Thanks again for the info!!

And you're right about Congress -- only Kucinich ever pursued this --

especially in trying to find out exactly what the chemicals are.

Btw, Congress did officially get it in the records -- they call it "Weather Modification"!

[Desertrose]

3. Today (1/22) is World Chemtrail Awareness Day

Link.

Today is actually a good day here....hoping to not to see that change with chcemtrails everywhere today. For a change.


Link to G Edward Griffin talking about new CHEMTRAIL film YouTube


Excellent new movie with compelling evidence that these are more than contrails.

"What in the World are They Spraying?" Pt 1 of 7

[SDuderstadt]

4. More chemtrail bullshit...

Thanks for embarrassing DU more than it already has been

http://contrailscience.com/

[Desertrose]

7. Seriously? I don't think that's possible.

I checked out your link.

Bet you didn't watch the movie, right? It's actually filled with some pretty good info & evidence as to what might be falling from these trails you insist are "only contrails".

[SDuderstadt]

10. Umm, which movie?

The site contains many movies.

[Desertrose]

12. "What in the World are They Spraying?" Here's a link to the first part

"What in the World are They Spraying?" Pt 1 of 7 as I linked to in post #3.


You can get to the subsequent links from Pt 1.

They start off with the American Association for the Advancement of Science Conference where they are speaking about the plausibility of "geo-engineering" or artificial manipulation of the world's climate in order to alleviate/mitigate global warming....and they go from there with some pretty credentialed scientists though out the movie.

It's worth a listen to all 7 parts.

[SDuderstadt]

13. That isn't "chemtrailing"...

you realize that, right?

[Desertrose]

14. Have you watched the movie I linked to?

There are 7 parts. (The first is 15 min, so you really haven't had time from my posting to listen to it.*)

Are you so clearly entrenched in your own pov that you don't even need to watch more information?


*on edit

[SDuderstadt]

16. Conspiracist "Logic"

6+ hrs is not enough time to view a 15 minute video.

This just gets sillier and sillier.

[Desertrose]

17. Right...you didn't even know which movie to watch til post #12

...you replied 11 minutes later in post #13. My guess is you didn't watch any of the 7 parts....you already had your comments ready to go.

Only thing silly about any of this is when a person isn't willing to check out the information before they make up their mind.

"Conspiracist logic". Give me a break. Name calling & attempting to ridicule proves nothing.


Watch the 7 part video - it's linked more than once in above posts.

[SDuderstadt]

18. I had already seen the movies on your site before...

You began your post by saying that you checked .out link, I provided, then started yammering about some movie. You were so unclear, I thought you were claiming that some clip from my link supported "chemtrails".

Serious question: do you understand how to tell if you're reading goofy conspiracy theory bullshit?

[Desertrose]

19. Insults all you have?

Not a conversation when that's all ya got.


Done here.

[SDuderstadt]

20. Of course you are...by all means, you don't want reason, facts and science...

to invade the insular sanctum of your conspiracist worldview.

Serious question: did you spend any real time perusing contrailscience.com or did you just dismiss it out of hand?

Jesus, conspiracists are a hoot.

[Desertrose]

21. Totally predictable reply.

Have gone enough rounds over the years with skeptic/debunkers to know that when the insults start, discussion is over & it's only about proving how "right" they are and how everyone else is either stupid or wrong - or both.



Actually checked your referenced contrail website awhile back...one of many....have done a lot of research on this subject over the past 12 years. Clearly we've come to different conclusions.


Appears that you have a rather "insular sanctum" of your own non-conspiracist worldview. Wonder if you'd be open to "reason, facts and science" that would challenge and change that? But hey, to quote you... "Oh, wait...I don't really care what you think".

[zappaman]

22. In honor of Sid Dithers...

I fuckin' love chemtrail threads!!!

So, who is spraying us and with what?
Lots of specualtion, but no evidence of anything.
The videos are hilarious!
Just as goofy as the moon loons, IMO.
Good luck with your investigation, DesertRose.
I look forward to your presentation and citizen's arrest shortly!
In the meantime, I will treat this thread with all the respect it deserves...
:rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

24. "Chemtrails" has got to be in the top three of...

the dumbest conspiracy theories ever.

[zappaman]

25. Top 3 lamest conspiracy theories

In no particular order.
1. We never went to the moon.
2. Contrails are actually chemtrails and we are being sprayed with some awful chemical, but nobody knows what or who exactly is doing it or why.
3. No planes hit the WTC, Pentagon, or a field in PA.

It's just incredible that in 2011, there are some people this delusional.

[Ohio Joe]

30. Nope, the very best one is....

The FEMA Death Camps!

Though they seem to have faded since President Obama took office.

[SDuderstadt]

23. I am more than open to...

facts, reason and science. It would be great if you could provide some.

In the meantime, don't you think it's suspect that the film you think so highly of kept interspersing scenes of jet creating contrails with its dire, ominous allegations?

Or, do you believe one can distinguish a contrail from a "chemtrail" from the ground? If so, could you explain to us how it's done?

[deconstruct911]

15. If SDuderstadt was wrong

would it be mentioned in CSI?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAZ0W2gLpkc

I think not. Y'all are a bunch of unpatriotic bullshiters!

[defendandprotect]

5. HOLDING to read later -- thank you for all the info -- :)

[Desertrose]

9. You're very welcome :)

I found the movie, especially the part about wildfires being so much more uncontrollable and deadly, to be very interesting. I've heard firefighters here in the SW comment about how fast trees go up & how different the wildfires are in the past 10 years or so - since they began the chemtrailing. Basically whatever is landing on the vegetation, besides killing it also acts as an accelerant!

[SDuderstadt]

6. Simple question for "chemtrailers"

If you believe that someone is spraying the sky with chemicals designed to "poison" us or "dumb us down", could one of you kindly explain how the "perps" escape being casualties of their own "chemtrails"?

Do they have little invisible gas masks or something? Do you guys stop to think about these kinds of questions before you embrace goofy bullshit?

[Desertrose]

8. Well...

I would imagine they would have cures or antidotes or vaccines that would mitigate the problems. Wouldn't you? I sure would make sure my own were protected if I wanted to do something as stupid as they are doing.


Any more it would seem that "goofy bullshit" is ignoring what goes on in the world and assuming that there aren't people in great power who don't really give a shit about the rest of the "little people"...or even the planet.

[SDuderstadt]

11. "I would imagine they have cures or antidotes or vaccines"

LOL!

Anything is possible in the mind of a conspiracist.

[sofa king]

26. Fluoride is as an excellent binary or a catalyst.

Fluoride is stored in the teeth and could catalyze or combine with other substances to produce the desired effect. Here's an example of a happy fluoride-based binary chemical weapon component:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphosphonyl_difluoride

It combines with isopropyl alcohol or other binary components to create things like sarin gas. But in very low doses, who knows what the effects might be?

All those in the know would have to do is brush their teeth with baking soda and drink distilled water, or rain water, to avoid the sapping and impurification of their precious bodily fluids.

[ryan_cats]

27. Excellent point, just like Fluoride.

Excellent point, just like Fluoride in the water, how do these evil geniuses avoid the affects of water? Do they take showers or brush their teeth from bottled water? Same things with 'chemtrails'. One thing is that I remember one thread where the poster lived in New Jersey, I seem to remember there's more than one major airport in that area. I live in the Sacramento area; we have one major (it's actually small compared to SF int.) airport locally and Mather and McClellan fields which I think are only hauling cargo for DHS and FedEx as well as National Guard and Travis air base which is an active airbase. There is also SF International as well as Oakland but, guess what? We don't have that many contrails because we don't have:
JFK.
Logan.
Newark.
LaGuardia.
McGuire, Fort Dix AFB.
Manchester in N.H.

Close by in DC.
Dulles.
National.
Bolling AFB.
Andrews AFB.

Now, I don't know if the AFBs I listed are all active but that's a lot of major airports in a small area. Lots of airports means lots of planes which means lots of contrails. Funny how that works.

[SidDithers]

28. I fucking love chemtrail threads!...

Sid

[DainBramaged]

29. Is registering as a Democrat part of the plan?

meh