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Raphael Weber Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:45 PM
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Was Ziad Jarrah positively identified?
Was Ziad Jarrah positively identified?

The Timeline of History Commons answers the question very straightforward :
« The Bundeskriminalamt (BKA), Germany’s federal anticrime agency, obtains a DNA sample for one of the 9/11 hijackers, alleged Flight 93 pilot Ziad Jarrah, after a search of the home of his girlfriend, Aysel Senguen. After the BKA sends the sample to the FBI, the bureau matches it with the DNA profile of one of four sets of unknown human remains recovered from the site in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed. According to an FBI report provided to the 9/11 Commission, presumably sometime between 2003 and 2004, no relatives of the alleged 9/11 hijackers provide the bureau with DNA samples for comparison.
The document is posted online here :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13950025/FBI-Description-of-How-It-Identified-19-Alleged-911-Hijackers


So according to a FBI document Jarrah was indeed positively identified by samples obtained at his girlfriend’s place where he had been in August 2001 the last time.
Case closed?
No, not really.
Strangely all articles I could find draw a very different picture e.g.:
“The four hijackers' remains will stay in FBI custody in case they prove important to the evolving investigation.
Investigators segregated remains which yielded DNA samples that did not match DNA profiles of the 40 passengers and crew. Those, by process of elimination, are the hijackers, and their remains are being grouped by common DNA.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011220shanksville1220p2.asp

And still in 2008:
« At the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania, investigators first identified the victims, and the remains that could not be linked to a victim’s DNA profile were assumed to belong to the terrorists. »
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/21hijackers.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=us&adxnnlx=1222012050-unQ1iwsKD9PKK1uKfjD%205w&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin


No special mentioning of Jarrah.
Is it possible that the media got it wrong?
Possible.
But what about the coroner?


“The air pirates have been identified as Ziad Jarrah, Ahmed Al Haznawi, Saeed Al Ghamdi and Ahmed Al Nami – but not so positively identified that officials will list the names in official records.
"The death certificates will list each as 'John Doe,'
" Miller said.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011220shanksville1220p2.asp



Even in the summer of 2002 Miller still has the same info:
“I got a call from Beirut at 4 a.m.,” said Wallace E. Miller, the Somerset County coroner. “He said he was an uncle of one of them and wanted to know what the situation was. I said if he sent a DNA sample, we’d make a cross-reference to confirm, but I never heard anything more from him.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/21hijackers.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=us&adxnnlx=1222012050-unQ1iwsKD9PKK1uKfjD%205w&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin


As the call from Beirut we can conclude that it must have been the uncle of Jarrah.
Is it possible that the coroner simply didn’t connect the call to Jarrah and told the caller that they didn’t need any sample any more?
Hardly possible. (Why doesn’t the article mention the positive identification of Jarrah especially as the identification was the topic of the article?)

But it gets even more official:
“Genetic profiles of five people from the Pentagon crash scene and
four from the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania,
that did not match any of the passengers' profiles
have been handed over to the FBI, said a spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.
The FBI has not given the institute any DNA to match up in those crashes, said the spokesman.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/27/hijackers.remains/index.html


So, wasn’t even the spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology aware that Jarrah had alread been positively identified?
But even if you believe this then how can you explain the official paper of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology:

« Four nonematching nuclear DNA profiles were also obtained from the crash site and again tentatively ascribed to the terrorists » (p. 83)


« None of the terrorists sequences matched any sequences in either the global forensic database or the Near Eastern database »


Special analyses of all four sequences to identify their ethnic (p. 84)
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf


The quotes make clear that none of the four alleged hijacker of UA 93 had been positively identified. Moreover there is no mentioning whatsoever of Jarrah being already positively identified (and if that would have been the case all the different analyses of his DNA would be completely senseless).

So on the one hand we have the official declaration that Jarrah was indeed positively identified but on the other hand we have a complete absence of this fact in the reporting media. Moreover we have (besides the coroner) especially two very clear statements by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology that Jarrah was not positively identified.
Who is right?
And what really has happened?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:05 AM
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1. What has really happened?
Ziad Jarrah was positively identified. This was not common knowledge.
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