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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 06:50 PM
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"Wellstone: They Killed Him"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:29 AM
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1. Thanks -- back to read this tomorrow --
looks like a lot of info I haven't seen before -- !!

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 11:52 AM
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2. High powered directed energy weapons? OK. nt
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 08:01 PM
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3. Yes. Where have you been all these decades?
Meet the Active Denial System, coming to a neighborhood near you. If you'd like to see one ready for daily use, just walk on down to the World Bank in Washington, DC, where for the past eight years or so there has been at least one parked on the street at all times. It's a microwave weapon, not an EMP weapon, but it is a directed energy weapon, deployed in this case against us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

As far as an EMP device ready to take down a plane, well, they've been around for nearly 60 years. One example is the Spielbergian "explosively pumped flux compression generator." Developed in part by none other than Andrei Sakharov.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator

And of course, if the rumor that a single AWACS can roast the power grid of a small town with its downward looking radar is true, then it rates as considerably more dangerous--or useful--than, say, a cell phone or a laptop, which the airlines consider unsafe for use on board a commercial aircraft taking off or landing. That may be one reason why the goon squad comes out in force here every time someone mentions that white plane that was seen following Flight 93 just before it crashed.

If you'd like to see an older, less sophisticated example of a potential assassination by EMP, you may be interested to learn about the crash of UA 553, in which twelve people connected with the Watergate scandal died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_553

The inimitable Sherman Skolnick, however, tells it a little differently:

http://www.apfn.org/skolnicksreport/shistory.html
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 09:04 PM
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4. None of those will melt metal
try again.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:02 AM
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5. They´re not actually suggesting it did
Watch Chapter 5.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:17 AM
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6. How do you explain this?
"And what could possibly have been the source of the energy that melted the aluminum, copper and magnesium? The first-responders concurred that the fire was an electrical fire, a metal fire. Chemistry Professor Ron Caple explains that the kerosene-based jet fuel of the King Air A-100 turboprop could NEVER reach the temperatures to melt the metals; there had to be some other source of energy."
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:45 AM
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7. I don´t
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 05:49 AM by k-robjoe
I don´t find it convincing.

Is it possible that some sort of EMP was used? Sure it´s possible. But I need a lot more than this, if I´m to say that it´s probable.

But I can not say, that it is a stupid theory, because it would not melt metal. That would be a misunderstanding.

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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 07:38 AM
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8. Misunderstood
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 07:39 AM by k-robjoe
Maybe I misunderstood your post. If what you meant was :

"If you´re saying that they don´t suggest that the EMP weapon melted the metal, then how do you explain this?"

Then I misunderstood. To answer that you have to read the rest of the synopsis :

"And clearly, from photographic evidence and first-responder witnesses, there were nearby ground fires from the spilled fuel from the wings, but the raging fire was in cockpit and cabin. There was no source of fuel for this fire that raged for 7.5 hours. The firemen and emergency medical technicians tried to put it out, as did the crew from the Minnesota Department of Resources. No questions purportedly were asked by the media about the source of energy for the fire. Some suggestions: after a carefully calibrated ground-delivered electromagnetic pulse knocks out the plane's electronics (about 7 miles out), some type of thermite paint on the interior of the fuselage gets rid of the evidence, igniting shortly after impact."

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 10:43 AM
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9. That is a double dose of woo
death rays and thermite paint. Makes much more sense then pilot error.
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