The NEW RememberBuilding7 Television Ad

[indimuse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4qky2Vd48s&feature=feedu

[jberryhill]

1. And the point of demolishing Wtc7 was...

1. To destroy some files, since if they'd gone missing in a fire, it would have been too suspicious, or

2. To enrage the public to support war, because nobody was really upset until 7 came down later in the day, or

3. Because one NY real estate investor had enough influence to have the federal government do this for him, cover it up, and hide it from the insurers who were too dumb to figure it out.

Which is your favorite?

[zappaman]

2. Number 2 for me

that building coming down was the worst part of the day.

[spooked911]

5. probably none of the above

1) if it was about destroying files and computers, a simple fire might not have been enough to insure complete destruction of what they wanted destroying-- keep in mind who all was in that bldg:

25th Floor Tenants: Internal Revenue Service (IRS), Department of Defense (DOD), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)

24th Floor Tenant: IRS

23th Floor Tenant: Office of Emergency Management (OEM)-- Giuliani's "bunker"

11th-13th Floors Tenant: Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)

9th and 10th Floors Tenant: US Secret Service

The rest of the floors: various banking, stock broker and insurance entities

Bottom line is lots of those groups could have wanted large-scale destruction of their files, to hide fraud of various kinds.


2) the PTB may have destroyed WTC7 for mystical/symbolic reasons-- i.e. they wanted 3 large towers going down that day.

3) an in your face jab at the general populace, showing what they can do in plain view-- blatant CD-- and get away with it.

4) a limited hangout distraction from the uglier truth about the demolition of WTC 1 and 2
------------

It's not always possible to know WHY they did certain things, and it may not be the most important point either. The more important point is that the tower went down by controlled demolition beyond any reasonable doubt.

The question is-- what are we going to do about it?

Well, I know what the OCTists here will do about it-- mock all CTs endlessly-- but I mean what will the people willing to be honest with what happened on 9/11 do about it?

[jberryhill]

6. Knocking the building down to destroy files?

So, in your mind, knocking down a building ensures file destruction in some way that fire cannot.

You've got guys who can run around and rig it for demolition, but they can't simply make sure the computer drives and paper files are stolen/destroyed in a raging fire?

So, to get rid of files, they use the common and reliable technique of blowing up a building.

I like the idea of WTC7 as a distraction, spooked. Most folks, when they think of 9/11, fixate on building 7 - totally forgetting about towers 1 and 2. That's a good one.

[spooked911]

7. how many files were recovered from the WTC7 rubble?

I'd love to know.

"Most folks, when they think of 9/11, fixate on building 7 - totally forgetting about towers 1 and 2."

But I suspect that's the point of these campaigns (the leaders of which I do not necessarily trust), to get people to think about WTC7 and get distracted from the rest of the incredible 9/11 evidence.

In any case, you ignored my other possibilities, which I think are just as likely.

[spooked911]

12. how many files?

any?


did they even try? Wasn't there important stuff in there?

[zappaman]

13. "Wasn't there important stuff in there?"

I dunno.
Was there?
Define "important".

[jberryhill]

15. As opposed to all of those office buildings with unimportant stuff in then /nt

[SDuderstadt]

8. You've got to be kidding...

an in your face jab at the general populace, showing what they can do in plain view-- blatant CD-- and get away with it.

If it's such an "in your face jab", how come so few people even know about it?

[jberryhill]

16. Well, now, that's why AE911 wants to remind everyone

AE911 is the propaganda arm of the conspiracy.

Get with the program.

[ryan_cats]

3. So, those folks look like the same folks from AE911

So, those folks look like the same folks from AE911, is this another money maker for them? They also claim to have over 1,400 architects and engineers. If it is indeed the AE911 group, they have nowhere near 1,400 real architects and engineers. They'll take someone who puts up sheetrock and say they count as a member. So, how many real, certified, working architects and engineers do they really have?

I guess it doesn't bother them to make money on people's deaths.

Since I seem to recall that no one died when WTC7 went down, they had to use folks from WTC1&2 to get people's hackles up again regarding 9/11.

It's coming up on 10 years; anything new since 2006?

[Stanchetalarooni]

9. You can visit their site and see for your self.

They have the entire list posted at their web site. Take a look...
http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

1,470 verified architectural and engineering professionals and 11,525 other supporters
have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.



Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has an extraordinary Verification Team. They are a very special group of volunteers – individually responsible for ensuring that signers of the AE911Truth petition are real and the information they provide is accurate. All petition signers are verified, whether they are architects, engineers, or “other” supporters, and regardless of whether they live in the United States. Verifying 13,000 petition signers, 1,400 of whom are licensed and/or degreed A/E professionals, is no small task.

In 2010 alone, more than 400 professional architects and engineers were verified and displayed on the AE911Truth petition. Each of domestic A/E signer is contacted personally by phone by one of the Verification Team volunteers. Most of these professionals are surprised, then satisfied and thankful for the time and effort we spend verifying their credentials. After making personal contact with each signer, the volunteer reviews the signer’s credentials. If contact cannot be made or if appropriate credentials cannot be found, we do not count or display the signer on our A/Eprofessionals list.

http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

[SDuderstadt]

10. Dude...

You just contradicted your earlier claim. Did you see that?

[ryan_cats]

11. We?

Most of these professionals are surprised, then satisfied and thankful for the time and effort we spend verifying their credentials.

So, you work for AE911? Which are you, architect, engineer, or other?

How many people work on the verification team, how much are they paid?

Does AE911 bring in any money? How much does Richard Gage make?

If you work for AE911, it seems that you're pimping their website. Isn't that against the TOS?

[ryan_cats]

27. That'sa little misleading

They have 231 (Degreed & Licensed – Active & Retired).

Architectural Professionals
(Degreed Only)
I didn't count these guys who make up the bulk of the numbers. These guys don't have 20 years of experience, they have a degree. Great, a degree and experience gets you somewhere. Did they pick someone without a license, just degreed to design WTC 1 & 2?

How much does Richard Gage make off of this incredible tragedy and loss of life? Despicable.


In 2010 alone, more than 400 professional architects and engineers were verified and displayed on the AE911Truth petition. Each of domestic A/E signer is contacted personally by phone by one of the Verification Team volunteers. Most of these professionals are surprised, then satisfied and thankful for the time and effort we spend verifying their credentials. After making personal contact with each signer, the volunteer reviews the signer’s credentials. If contact cannot be made or if appropriate credentials cannot be found, we do not count or display the signer on our A/Eprofessionals list.

I didn't count over 400 (Degreed & Licensed – Active & Retired). professionals, maybe this 'extraordinary verification team' is running a little slow or your number is just plain wrong. Count the active ones in the petition, I may have miscounted one or two but not over a hundred.

What exactly is their goal, to fund Gage to go around and do his song and dance to get more members so Gage gets more money and around we go.

What is their goal?

[ryan_cats]

35. Let's see some of Gage's buildings

C'mon now, let's see some of Gage's buildings. I only need to see two. He's been in the biz for a while, I'd like to see his work and I will give them my honest appraisal. I'm no expert on architecture but I can tell when the designer is.

[KDLarsen]

4. What happened to Building Wut?

Or is this some form of copy cat thing? Either way, AE911Truth stands to earn a bit more money. Golddiggers for 9/11 Truth more like it..

ETA: Ah, it's Building Wut v2. In any case, they're still pushing the abridged version of the 7WTC collapse, so so much for honesty... :eyes:

[Ezlivin]

14. Yes, they are all MILLIONAIRES because of their work

They've put their licenses, reputations and jobs on the line to go after the big money to be made in DVD sales.

The funny thing about grassroots movements is how much wealth is generated by them. We all recall how the civil rights movement spawned thousands of rich activists. Or how those who doggedly pursued the truth about the JFK assassination ended up with huge amounts of money. By now we all know the names of the countless millionaires created through their books and documentaries.

Meanwhile those who trust in the official story are broke and miserable. No one profited from the collapse of the towers and the subsequent wars. Defense contractors are struggling to make ends meet. And don't get me started on how badly it turned out for the Neocons (Cheney, et al) and those of their ilk.

[Bolo Boffin]

17. AE911Truth's 2011 990 form is going to be interesting to look at.

Richard had worked himself up to a $75,000 salary (21% of all proceeds!) and all-expense paid worldwide travel in 2009. I wonder what 2010 will hold! Don't you?

http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/2010/ae911truth/75450/

[Ezlivin]

18. It's astonishing that people get paid for their efforts

What the hell is the world coming to?

It's like finding out that Martin Luther King had a salary! Or that his church paid for him to travel while he promoted certain social causes, even though many, many people opposed and threatened him.

Damn.

When will it stop?

[Bolo Boffin]

19. It's astonishing that grifters keep finding marks to pay for their world travel.

Wow, did you honestly just compare Richard Gage to Martin Luther King?

[Ezlivin]

20. Grassroots support really pisses you off, doesn't it?

Somehow you've managed to equate grassroots support with petty swindling.

The supporters of Gage, et al are giving their money to support his work, they are not being swindled out of it.

Martin Luther King's parishioners supported him monetarily, regardless of what pressures were brought to bear on him and his message. Were his supporters swindled?

Next thing we know, you'll be denigrating the Wisconsin representatives who fled because their expenses were covered by supporters. "Oh, they traveled out of state all expenses paid! What grifters they are!" With quotes like this from State Senator Chris Larson (from out of state) "I am seeking your support for the fight ahead of us" you must really be incensed. How dare him ask for support! He should act on his principles for free!

Let us know when you get your grassroots movement together and put out your first DVD detailing how every single facet of the official story is true. I can't wait to see the support you can whip up.

[OnTheOtherHand]

21. this is not hard to understand

Richard Gage is posing as an expert on... well, I'm not quite sure what. How buildings collapse? You may actually regard him as a competent expert. What if you didn't? Then would it seem like such a stretch to say that his 'grassroots supporters' in fact are being swindled?

He isn't (as far as I know) guilty of fraud as a matter of law, but he sounds like a charlatan to me.

[Ezlivin]

22. Richard Gage is a licensed architect

Richard Gage, AIA, is a San Francisco Bay Area architect and a member of the American Institute of Architects. He has been an architect for over 23 years and has worked on most types of building construction, including numerous fire-proofed, steel-framed buildings.

The fact that he's staked his reputation on examining the events of 9/11 does not mean he's a "charlatan" only that his point of view and yours does not coincide.

Regarding the "swindling" comment, bear in mind that he's not alone in his organization but is joined by 1,472 verified architectural and engineering professionals. Look through the list; you might find one who lives close to you and is willing to discuss the matter with you, if your concerns are that serious.

[SDuderstadt]

23. Of which...

only about 400 are actually licensed architects or engineers. By contrast, the American Society of Civil Engineers alone has 140k+ members.

Beyond that, Gage has ZERO years of experience with high-rise buildings of any kind. Zero.

[zappaman]

24. yes, but doesn't he have years of experience with demolition?

No?
Huh....that's weird.

[SDuderstadt]

25. About the only experience Gage has with...

demolition are his own goofy arguments.

[OnTheOtherHand]

26. so far, so good

The fact that he's staked his reputation on examining the events of 9/11 does not mean he's a "charlatan" only that his point of view and yours does not coincide.

True, that. The fact that he has "staked his reputation on examining the events of 9/11" doesn't mean much of anything at all.

However, the fact that he likes to drop a cardboard box on another cardboard box in order to make a point about the collapse of the Towers could justify some concern, even if one can't be bothered to work through more complicated arguments in detail. That is facially stupid.

[Bolo Boffin]

29. P.T. Barnum said it best.

They grow grassroots support every minute.

Or something like that.

[whatchamacallit]

30. Bush, Cheney, and Rummy are free to travel the world thanks to easy marks as well.

:hi:

[Bolo Boffin]

31. Actually there's a few countries they can't.

Seeing as how they might get arrested.

I'm happy to include Bush, Cheney, and Rummy in with charlatans like Richard Gage. I'm glad you think that way as well.

:hi:

[whatchamacallit]

32. Cool, while we're at it

lets add NIST and FEMA. :hi:

[zappaman]

33. How are NIST and FEMA charlatans? n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

34. So you think Richard Gage's credibility is just as bad as FEMA and NIST?

Is that your final answer?

[ryan_cats]

28. Not all, just one, guess his name?

Not all, just one, guess his name?

So, you don't think any of these folks are doing it for publicity, they're all altruists sacrificing their careers to prove what exactly and what sacrifice are they making signing a petition?

I've asked it before, what is their goal?

I want to see two buildings Gage has designed. Just two, lets see them? So we can judge his experience. It is easy to do for Minoru Yamasaki, lets see Gage's handiwork.