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[Ohio Joe]

1. Why do RIBA and AIA think CD is "bonkers"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x317071

Why don't any believers in CD want to comment on this?

[OnTheOtherHand]

2. some credit is due...

I think the OP may have been the first 9/11 forum post in over a week that tried to make a point about 9/11.

Really interesting article, but let's be fair: "bonkers" is what a Times (of London) columnist said, not what RIBA or the AIA said. However, the article does quote the director of the AIA's New York chapter as saying, "The professional community discredits this guy.... Not for any amount of money would we have that talk in our space." And it quotes Gage himself as saying, "Architects and engineers have willfully ignored the message that we’ve been speaking about for five years" and "When is the RIBA going to take this seriously?" -- the implication being that RIBA doesn't take it seriously.

So Gage admits that his viewpoint is in the minority among architects and engineers. But presumably he would argue that it's just because the rest of 'em are fearful, corrupt, or both. So, no issue! Heads he wins, tails we lose. (Not that a minority view can't be right, but I don't think Gage's arguments on the merits are any better than his selective appeals to authority.)

[BeFree]

3. Not for any amount of money

But they will suck up to the government for the contracts, eh?

RIBA and the AIA are chicken shit, scared of their own shadows, bunch of money grubbing asswipes. And who can blame them? Bushco would come down so hard on them if they made a peep about the incongruities surrounding the collapse of the WTC towers.

Bushco has destroyed many of the people who questioned them, and the political climate even today requires anyone who questions the facts about 9/11 to be summarily dismissed.

But it is good to see you not posting about me for a change. How long can that possibly last?
1,2,3,....

[OnTheOtherHand]

4. textbook

RIBA and the AIA are chicken shit, scared of their own shadows, bunch of money grubbing asswipes.... (T)he political climate even today requires anyone who questions the facts about 9/11 to be summarily dismissed.

Sure enough, anyone who questions Gage's account of 9/11 can expect to be summarily dismissed.

[BeFree]

5. Same should be said of bushco

Gage is NOT the problem.

[LARED]

6. I know who Gage is and how he by engaging in

sophistry, embellishment, etc spreads his version of truth.

But what Bushco is, and how they make themselves a problem in the quest for truth is still a mystery you refuse to address.

[BeFree]

7. I refuse? You are clueless?

Gawd damn, how fucking idiotic can one be to actually go on and on and on, not having a fucking clue what bushco means?

That is just fucking ridiculous.

[OnTheOtherHand]

8. people often don't know what you mean

You can choose to behave as if it is their fault, if that amuses you, or whatever.

[LARED]

9. What's ridiculous is pretending

I or anyone else is responsible to understand what you mean by Bushco when you have repeatedly refused to explain yourself.

I have asked you dozens of times to enlighten me as to how you define Bushco, and how they operate in thwarting the truth.

So far, all I've gotten in return is your bluster and blame shifting.

I guess my expectation that you will explain yourself falls under the category of being a hopeless optimist.

[LARED]

25. Humm Crickets again. No surprise. nt

[Ohio Joe]

10. Why am I not surprised you think a lying sack of shit is not a problem

What a shock :rofl:

[BeFree]

11. Bushco is a lying sack of shit

But you just go on with your bad self attacking a citizen and allow bushco to slide?

Oh wait, you don't even know what bushco is? Fucking ridiculous.

[Ohio Joe]

12. We are learning what you mean by bushco... It's just such a large group

Everyone in the media, the government, the military, schools, firemen, police, President Obama, airline workers, families of the 9/11 victims and of course, anyone that asks you to prove your claims.... Lets see... I'm probably missing at least a few thousand more groups and the list does seem to grow all the time but we all know the easiest way to keep it a secret is to involve everyone.

[BeFree]

14. Still playing stupid, eh?

bushco is the bush family of politicians, business people and other crooks.

Are some in the media? Duh. In the pentagon? Duh again. Obama, no. Firemen no.

It is a wonder how you are so damned clueless. And you have just backed that up, again.

Why is it you are even here? You haven't learned a gawd damn thing and only prove how ignorant you are time after time.... Really, don't you have anything better to do than come here and show up your ignorance?

[Ohio Joe]

15. Poor BeFree, has no facts so he uses personal attacks

"bushco is the bush family of politicians, business people and other crooks."

Well... thats sufficiently vague.

"Are some in the media? Duh."

Just some? Why do the rest of them cover up the truth?

"In the pentagon? Duh again."

More people just covering up the truth for no reason... How strange.

"Obama, no."

No? Why does he hide the truth then?

"Firemen no."

Why are they hiding the truth?

"It is a wonder how you are so damned clueless. And you have just backed that up, again."

Well, I ask for answers all the time but all you give is vague and unsubstantiated claims. Perhaps you should try backing up your claims once in a while instead of thinking people should believe whatever random people on the internet say.

"It is a wonder how you are so damned clueless. And you have just backed that up, again."

Clueless... Because I do not believe what you say without any proof of your claims? Do you believe whatever you read on the internet without anything to back it up... Well... That could explain much.

"Why is it you are even here?"

I have lots of reasons for being here at DU, they range from my awesome game reviews in the gaming forum to my active support for equal rights for everyone to sharing some of my favorite recipes to my drunken rants against teabaggers to my dedicated efforts to elect Dems. I encourage anyone and everyone to do a search of my posts to find out why I am here. I do not evade and I do not hide.

"You haven't learned a gawd damn thing and only prove how ignorant you are time after time.... Really, don't you have anything better to do than come here and show up your ignorance?"

Ignorance... How interesting... You feel people that want evidence before they buy random shit on the internet are ignorant? Still more explained.

As for my time... It is more then a little creepy that you follow how I spend my time, I would prefer you get a new hobby.

[BeFree]

16. Joe, you are a joker

You make claims that I think Obama and firemen are bushco, but you can't back up one fucking time any post of mine where I say so. You are just flinging shit, as usual. You follow me around and never respond when I ask you a question. Like here.

Are there people in this world who are deceptive and hide the truth?

Do you really believe you are always told the truth? That no one ever lies to poor little Joe? So why do you feel the need to go around supporting equal rights and fighting the teabaggers if no one ever lies and they always tell the truth?

No, Joe, it is evident that your mind is twisted by my efforts to combat bushco. It is like one of your 'awesome gaming reviews' to always seem ignorant about what bushco means and in real life does to innocent people in their quest for power. A real gamer, you are, eh?

So, tell us all again what it is you hope to accomplish by acting so ignorant about bushco. You seem to realize there are others who lie and oppress, what is it about bushco that derails you and makes you post stupid shit?

[OnTheOtherHand]

19. BeFree, do not blame others for your choices

If you were willing to say -- if you even know! -- who you think is in this "bush family" and who isn't, then we would have been done with that topic years ago.

Why do you insist on making the same mistake time after time?

[Ohio Joe]

20. Yay! It's on to the old bush supporter insinuation

"You make claims that I think Obama and firemen are bushco, but you can't back up one fucking time any post of mine where I say so. You are just flinging shit, as usual."

See, this is where your being vague and never backing up your claims makes it so hard to figure out what you do say... But I think perhaps you like it that way, allows you to wiggle about from one thing to another. Obama knows the truth about 9/11 and is simply a figurehead, not really in power and not in on it, simply a tool for those really in power... Too afraid and powerless to do or say anything. Just a weak and stupid tool for the all powerful bushco.

"You follow me around and never respond when I ask you a question. Like here."

Now... Let me think... What group is it that like to take the things they are guilty of and simply say it of others even when it is obviously not true... It'll come to me.

"Are there people in this world who are deceptive and hide the truth?"

Yes, most certainly. I often see them make beyond belief claims and then refuse to offer any evidence for those claims, that is usually a good clue that the claim is a lie. Do you know anyone like that?

"Do you really believe you are always told the truth? That no one ever lies to poor little Joe? So why do you feel the need to go around supporting equal rights and fighting the teabaggers if no one ever lies and they always tell the truth?"

What strange questions here... You think it not worthwhile to fight for equal rights because people lie? I guess that explains why I never see you on those threads. You do not think it worthwhile to oppose teabaggers because people lie? I guess that explains why I never see you on those threads either.

"No, Joe, it is evident that your mind is twisted by my efforts to combat bushco."

Combat bushco? How is it you do that? By covering their real and provable crimes with stories you can offer no evidence of? I hate to be the one to tell you, that is not a very effective way of combating anything.

"It is like one of your 'awesome gaming reviews' to always seem ignorant about what bushco means and in real life does to innocent people in their quest for power. A real gamer, you are, eh?"

You think my game reviews are ignorant? I'm so hurt... :rofl: The truth is BeFree, I am very aware of bushco and what they have done, it appears that it is you who does not. bushco did little to nothing to hide their crimes, they had/have truthers to do that for them. When they lied us into war, it was a real and provable lie from day one. When they tortured people there was real and provable evidence... Hell, they admitted they were doing it, they just called it something other then torture. When they outed a CIA agent, it was real and provable from day one. They always had the truthers to point to showing how silly and un-provable any claims of wrong doing were. Truthers who ignore the real and provable and instead make fantastic claims for these same crimes that have zero evidence and even false evidence... Anything but facts.

"So, tell us all again what it is you hope to accomplish by acting so ignorant about bushco. You seem to realize there are others who lie and oppress, what is it about bushco that derails you and makes you post stupid shit?"

It is clear who is really ignorant about bushco, the truthers that ignore the real and provable facts of their crimes in order to promote fantasies about the all powerful bushco that runs everything behind the scenes... That can demolish buildings with CD that leaves no evidence behind... or with mini-nukes that leave no evidence behind... or lasers from spaces that leave no evidence behind. That can organize a massive attack on American soil and not only keep 100% loyalty in everyone they recruit but also do it so perfectly they leave no evidence behind... All for crimes they will not only admit to but obviously lie about in a completely different way. Who posts stupid shit?

[BeFree]

26. Ok Joe

Tell me about the 2000 election, Joe.
Who caused that presidential election to be stolen?

[Ohio Joe]

28. Yay! BeFree continues to ignore original question, all previous points made and changes the subject

Too funny.

Why so afraid to answer simple questions with simple answers?

[BeFree]

29. Well, Joe

It all started with the stolen election of 2000.

A theft which has been covered up. Heck, even you won't talk about it.

Hey, here's an idea.... why don't you tell me what I think about the stolen election?
You claim to know what I think about everything else, so give that a go.

[Ohio Joe]

30. How about you simply answer the question?

oh... Thats a problem for you, isn't it... Takes away that wiggle room for you when you give an actual answer.

[BeFree]

31. This was your only question, oj

"Who posts stupid shit"

I thought I made that clear, oj, it is you.

For example, oj claims "....it is the truthers fault...." bushco has gotten away with it's crimes.

My gawd, is that f'n stupid, or what?

So, question answered.... do you have another?

[Ohio Joe]

32. You do not read very well, do you

And no ability to actually refute anything either... What a shock, I just love the ignorant truthers. :rofl:

[zappaman]

33. can one be both ignorant and a truther?

certainly seems so!
:rofl:

[BeFree]

34. Hey Joe, where ya going?

I answered your fucking question and asked for another and you can't even come up with another question? WTF?

Someone posted in the ATA about naming this place ""The Asylum" and now I see why.

Some here can only hear the voice in their heads. And what does that voice say to them?

"Love the ignorant truthers" & "It's the truthers fault". Asylum material, oj, pure asylum material.

[Ohio Joe]

35. Where are you BeFree?

Questions end with a question mark... it looks like this "?". At some point you may answer a question... But I doubt it.

[BeFree]

36. You've answered all the questions oj

You should not be proud.

"It's the truthers fault" the 2000 election was stolen?

Joe, "loves truthers". Really, what else do we need to know about oj?

[Ohio Joe]

37. Well... They are better answers then, nu'uh, you're a poopy head

"You should not be proud."

I am, there is no reason I should not be, I back up my statements instead of running from them.

""Its the truthers fault" the 2000 election was stolen?"

If you are going to quote me, I suggest you use things I have actually said so nobody thinks you are a liar. Cherry picking is so deceptive... Why are you being deceptive?

"Joe, "loves truthers". Really, what else do we need to know about oj?"

More cherry picking of quotes. Why be afraid to use the entire quote? It is only the ignorant ones I love.

Did there used to be a thread around here on honest discussion? Does anyone remember who started that one? I remember it was ironic.

[BeFree]

38. Got a question Joe?

Put it up and I will answer it.

[Ohio Joe]

39. Sure, start with the ones in post #37

Then you can move onto all the others I've asked in this thread that you have refused to address.

[BeFree]

40. OK 3 questions from Joe

1....""If you are going to quote me, I suggest you use things I have actually said so nobody thinks you are a liar. Cherry picking is so deceptive... Why are you being deceptive?

Answer: The question mark indicated that since you blame the truthers for bushco getting away with their crimes, that maybe you think the truthers are to blame for the stolen 2000 election?

2...."Why be afraid to use the entire quote?"

Answer: I'm not afraid to use the entire quote, it is you who is afraid to quote yourself.

3...."Did there used to be a thread around here on honest discussion? Does anyone remember who started that one?"

Answer: Yes. It was locked. Not by me. But I started the thread.

[Ohio Joe]

42. oh... So you just made stuff up and like being deceptive by cherry picking quotes...

Good for everyone to know, thanks for admitting that. You can go on now to the rest of the questions I've asked in this thread.

[BeFree]

43. What other questions?

If you can't remember your own questions, oj....

Heh, you won't even quote yourself...

[Ohio Joe]

45. Are you unable to read or follow a thread?

They are pretty easy to spot, they all end with question marks... But I've told you this already... I must conclude you have some type of problem that prevents you from seeing them... What is your problem? Perhaps I can help... Though I expect not.

"Heh, you won't even quote yourself..."

Continuing to say this does not make it true. As I have said, be brave enough to use entire quotes and do not cherry pick, it is a deceptive practice.

[BeFree]

46. Alright Joe

You asked "What is your problem?"

The problem is: it is hard to follow you. You're one hell of a gamer.

Got another question, JO?

[Ohio Joe]

47. I'm shocked... BeFree is avoiding questions by being deceptive

Why are you afraid to answer?

[zappaman]

50. questions are never answered

by BEFREE since she makes everything up!
:rofl:

[Frosty1]

64. Internet trolls: What you should know

http://tinyurl.com/3ccxx4m

[LARED]

41. If it's questions you want please respond to #9 Thanks nt

[BeFree]

44. Heh

That, #9, was a bunch of bullshit and there was not even one question, or question mark to be found there. It was just spew about what you think about me.

Really, just more asylum material from you, led.

If you have a question that you want to ask, just ask.

[LARED]

48. Ok, What is Bushco?

Please provide a brief summary of who (please give names of non-Bush family members of Bushco) is part of Bushco.

How many people do you think are actve members in Bushco?

And more importantly how does Bushco suppress the truth about 9/11? Please be specific.

[BeFree]

49. Right

bushco: Suffice to say that pretty much all the political appointees of the bush administration that did not resign are members of bushco. The people who stole the elections are bushco, and some members of the 9/11 commission were bushco. But not all. Several members claimed they were lied to.

How many? Well, how many tea party members are there?

How does bushco suppress the truth? I am tempted to play with you and say that they have not suppressed anything. The simple answer is that they lie, they refused to allow a full investigation, and bushco used their control of the government to keep nearly all information that made them look bad from hitting the news. But, "Bush Knew" they failed at, eh?

[zappaman]

51. Good evasion of the question

one day maybe you will answer a question.
one can dare to dream

[Ohio Joe]

52. The teabaggers are part of bushco but you do not find them worthy to oppose?

And even encourage me not to oppose them... Once again, I am shocked.

[BeFree]

53. That is whacked, JO

You are in f'n outer space, dude.

[Ohio Joe]

54. Why run from what you said?

You said they were a part of bushco:

"How many? Well, how many tea party members are there?"

You also told me it was not worth opposing them:

"So why do you feel the need to go around supporting equal rights and fighting the teabaggers if no one ever lies and they always tell the truth?"

Why are you afraid of your own quotes. I even give entire sentences of what you said, not just pick out two words.

When will you live up to your word to answer the rest of my questions?

[BeFree]

56. Thanks Joe

To prove you are in outer space, you take the question to you about why you have to fight for equality and against teabaggers, as me telling you not to fight. Whacked, jo. Whacked.

What I was suggesting to you was that if we were always told the truth, such battles would be over before they began. But since we are lied to the battles must be waged.

Unlike you, however, who makes fun of me fighting bushco, I have never made fun of anybody fighting against our enemies.

[OnTheOtherHand]

60. really?

I have never made fun of anybody fighting against our enemies.

Riiiiiiiiight.

[BeFree]

61. I do make fun of those

Who protect our enemies. Like for instance those who claim elections have not been stolen.

[OnTheOtherHand]

65. see, there you go again

I'm not going to say that you are incapable of stating the truth about other people's opinions. That would be too indulgent.

[BeFree]

66. No, it is true

Elections, many of them, have been stolen. I call them Stolections. Google it.

See, were any one to tell me that elections have not been stolen, they would be an idiot, right?

And I have studied the opinions of those who DO NOT think the 2000 election was stolen, and they are so f'n wrong they will make your head spin.

[zappaman]

69. no, stolen elections have nothing to do with the OP

for that matter, every single one of your replies has nothing to do with the OP.
maybe you should create a thread called HOW TO MAKE ASSERTIONS, NOT BACK THEM UP, AND RAMBLE INCOHERENTLY.
then, maybe...just maybe, your responses might make some sort of sense.

[Ohio Joe]

62. Once again, you are factually incorrect

"To prove you are in outer space, you take the question to you about why you have to fight for equality and against teabaggers, as me telling you not to fight. Whacked, jo. Whacked."

I have repeatedly asked you to be more clear and answer my questions, including about that statement, you have refused so I can only assume my interpretation was correct. Perhaps you should either be more clear or stop playing games? Now, when your own words are quoted back to you, you decide they have a different meaning then what is clearly there? heh, why run from your own words?

"Unlike you, however, who makes fun of me fighting bushco, I have never made fun of anybody fighting against our enemies."

I've not made fun of you, I've pointed out the errors in your thinking and tried repeatedly to get answers from you. You have refused to comment on any of my points except in dis-honest ways, personal attacks and avoidance. You have resorted to a large number of personal insults towards me and others in this very thread. Many more could easily be pointed out. Your very reference to me as "JO" is a personal attack, we all know what you mean and it takes away from any points you may try to make by stooping to such levels. Honestly, I expect no less from you though as you never seem to have any correct facts and never try, even a little bit, to back up the incorrect ones you present. When shown evidence you are incorrect, you simply change the subject or wander away. It leaves you nothing else besides personal attacks, wiggling away and deception. I often wonder if you really believe you fool anyone.

[BeFree]

63. JO

You have not backed up one thing. Not one.

You even totally misread my statements.

You just want to fight. And you are losing and you are frustrated, like always.

JO, is Joe from Ohio. Oh, you think it meant having to do with whacking? Can't argue that.

[Ohio Joe]

71. So you will just continue with personal attacks... More BeFree games

A shame you have nothing else.

At what point will you live up to your word an answer the questions you promised you would?

[LARED]

55. So you don't have a single name of a member

Bushco that is not a Bush family member.

Check!

Also you seem to believe that people that associated with the tea party are Bushco. from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#Membership_and_demographics

Membership and demographics

Several polls have been conducted on the demographics of the movement. Though the various polls sometimes turn up slightly different results, they tend to show that Tea Party supporters are mainly white and slightly more likely to be male, married, older than 45, more conservative than the general population, and likely to be more wealthy and have more education.<68><69><70><71><72>

One Gallup poll found that other than gender, income and politics, self-described Tea Party members were demographically similar to the population as a whole.<73>

When surveying supporters or participants of the Tea Party movement, polls have shown that they are to a very great extent more likely to be registered Republican, have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party and an unfavorable opinion of the Democratic Party.<72><74><75> The Bloomberg National Poll of adults 18 and over showed that 40% of Tea Party supporters are 55 or older, compared with 32% of all poll respondents; 79% are white, 61% are men and 44% identify as "born-again Christians",<76> compared with 75%,<77> 48.5%,<78> and 34%<79> for the general population, respectively.

So all these folks are part of the great 9/11 CT and cover up? They are active minions of Bush to suppress the truth of 9/11??????

Can you possibly really believe this? For starters the Tea party movement did not even start until 2009. After Bush left office, eight years after 9/11.

One of the funniest things truther believe is that Bush managed to suppress bad news from the press. As someone that has been around for a pretty long time the reality is the press was unmerciful to Bush. Which suits me fine, but there is no way the press was beholden to Bush.

[BeFree]

57. "...no way the press was beholden to Bush" claims Lared

Another message brought to us from outer space. Pure asylum material.

Next thing you know we will read the claim it is the truthers fault bushco got away with their crimes. Oh wait, they already said that.

[LARED]

58. Avoiding a response again. No surprise. nt

[BeFree]

59. Eh?

You claim the press beat up on bush and you expect, on DU, for anyone here to take you seriously? That kinda shit belongs in freeperville.

I mean really, you asking me how many members are in bushco is like asking how many stars has Lared been to in the last two minutes. Answer is unknowable. But it sure must be quite a few given your responses here.

[LARED]

67. You're changing the subject.

My opinion as too how the press treated Bush is immaterial to your inability to respond to questions about your Bushco delusion.

Please try and stay on topic.

[zappaman]

68. with exceptional arguments from truthers like BEFREE

BUSHCO(whatever that is) must truly be scared.
did you know 88% of truthers are also mentally ill?

if you ask me to back that claim up, I will ramble about anything I can think of while avoiding the question and calling you names.
google it!

[LARED]

70. Which gets back to the question you have failed to answer

how does Bushco control the media?

[BeFree]

72. Are you claiming?

Are you willing to state that bushco never even tried to control what the media said?

I ask because if you truly want me to answer, I need to know what level of understanding you have. So, it is true that I feel bushco did try to control what the media said. Do you believe bushco never tried to control the media?

Question was: "how does Bushco control the media?"

Also remember this from Lared earlier:

"As someone that has been around for a pretty long time the reality is the press was unmerciful to Bush. Which suits me fine, but there is no way the press was beholden to Bush. "

[LARED]

73. You don't need to worry yourself about my level of understanding

Just answer the question.

[zappaman]

21. "You follow me around and never respond when I ask you a question. Like here."

You mean a question like here-?

You claim "88% of DU are truthers".
Why won't you back that up?

Befree, you're too scared to answer a simple question like this, yet you are going to "combat BUSHCO"?
My, BUSHCO(whatever the fuck that is) must be shaking in their boots!

[BeFree]

27. Thank you, z-man?

You have made it perfectly clear to everyone that I believe 88% of DUers are smart enough to know that they have been lied to about 9/11.

I couldn't have done that on my own, so, my thanks to you.

Another way to put it would be like this:

"According to polls I have seen on DU, just 12% of DUers think they have been told the truth about what happened on 9/11."

IOW, the mass of DUers are very smart people. Thanks again for getting the word out!

But be careful, some here may start to think I hire you to advertise for me.

[BobbyBoring]

23. We are all

bushco now

[zappaman]

24. not me

maybe you should be on a different site?

[defendandprotect]

18. How about doing us all a favor and put "ignored" on "ignore" - !!! PLEASE ...

Makes no sense to trade comments with someone who is pretending to be asleep!

[zappaman]

22. yes

then like D & P, you can have most of DU on ignore and continue to live in ignorance.

[AZCat]

13. I think it is unlikely this will premier the week prior...

to September 11, 2001.

[defendandprotect]

17. Hi -- great to see the thread back -- !!

Where will the documentary be shown? Is it booked into any theaters?

Will be happy to buy a CD if it's available -- !!

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