Why You Can NOT Believe the "9/11 Conspiracy Theory De-bunkers!"

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http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/911-facts/48/20647-why-you-can-not-believe-the-q911-conspiracy-theory-de-bunkersq.html

Excerpted with permission, from article by Jesse Richard, Editor of TvNewsLIES.org

"...let me clearly explain why the opinions and claims of people who argue in support of the official story, whom I like to call "myth huggers," and who try to shoot down (no pun intended), explain away or outright deny the many disturbing questions that remain about 9/11, can NOT be regarded as valid in any way, shape of form.

Before I detail the invalid arguments and deceptive techniques of the myth huggers, I have to point out three important fundamental problems that these people have before they even begin to make their claims:"

FULL ARTICLE IS NOT TO BE MISSED! AUTHOR INCLUDES A SPECIAL MESSAGE TO DEBUNKERS - LIKE THOSE WHO POST ON DU.

[hack89]

1. "Don't forget to drink your ovaltine." - did I decode the special message correctly? nt

[Ohio Joe]

2. Perhaps the dumbest article ever posted

He starts out with three "problem" of people who do not buy the fantasy.

1 - We believe the entire "official" story is true - Perhaps if truthers would define the official story we could determine if that is a true statement... But they refuse to do so.
2 - We believe the govt would never lie - Complete and utter bullshit often repeated by truthers and, as with almost all of their claims, never backed up with evidence.
3 - We believe the US has real TV journalism - Again, complete bullshit and again another claim often repeated by truthers and never backed up by evidence.

He then goes on to list some reasons not to listen to people who do not buy his fantasy.

1 - We do not listen to cherry picked quotes - Well duh.
2 - We do not face critics in an open forum - I'm here... This is an open forum... Where is this guy? oh... I get it... He wants someone to give his fantasy legitimacy, just like the birthers and the creationists... Well, try coming up with some facts first.
3 - Go read another article he wrote - WTF?
4 - We use links to back up our claims - Yeah... real bad form there, we should just make claims without evidence like truthers do.
5 - We don't use links to racist sources or anti-semitic sources and don't like when truthers do - Yeah... What a fucking loon.
6 - It can't be true if it is not on TV - More complete bullshit... Man this guy like to peddle bullshit.

He then goes on to explain how just because we a right on a lot of things it does not mean we have explained everything so we are "chickens" and how just because questions have been answered, they still have the right to ignore the answers.

Then his special note - They don't want to hear any more answers - Well of course not, why have the fantasy ruined. Facts drive to many people away from the "truther" cash cow. Don't miss the chance to buy his crap, it's all right after the article!

What a dumb-ass article.

[BobbyBoring]

3. The official story is

Somehow, 19 Arabs hijacked 4 jets. Four of the Arabs who could barely fly performed maneuvers in 757s and 767s that were beyond the performance capabilities of said plane. Three of the planes hit buildings and The World Trade Center twin towers fell due to burning jet fuel and #7 WTC just fell because of WTC 2 and 3. Passengers on flight 93 overcame the hijackers and the plane crashed.

That's the official story.

[hack89]

4. I see your problem - you have the wrong "official" story.

1. The pilots all had commercial pilot licenses. They were not great pilots but don't forget that takeoff and landings are the hard parts. They didn't have to worry about either.

2. The maneuvers were not beyond the performance capabilities of the aircraft. They did not fly the aircraft like a commercial pilot would but in no case did they exceed the aircraft design capabilities.

3. It was not a jet fuel fire. The jet fuel burned off in less then 10 minutes. What it did was ignite the contents of a large area in the WTC.

4. CTrs always leave out the massive structural damage to the WTC when talking about how "no high rise ever collapsed due to fire." The WTC were truly unique events.

5. WTC 7 was severely damaged from falling debris. There are eyewitness accounts of a 20 story gouge in the side of the building. Several large fires burned unfought for hours. The FDNY was monitoring a bulge in the building and knew well in advance that it was going to collapse.

[Ohio Joe]

5. A perfect example

of truther myths that they keep repeating.

"Somehow, 19 Arabs hijacked 4 jets."

Why is that unbelievable?

"Four of the Arabs who could barely fly performed maneuvers in 757s and 767s that were beyond the performance capabilities of said plane."

Simply untrue. They were all licensed and except for a few loons, no one doubts the planes did what they did.

"Three of the planes hit buildings and The World Trade Center twin towers fell due to burning jet fuel and #7 WTC just fell because of WTC 2 and 3."

Yes, three planes hit buildings. The trade centers fell due to both plane impact and fires, not just fires, truthers love to overlook the impacts. 7 fell because of damage from the trade centers and fires burning un-fought.

"Passengers on flight 93 overcame the hijackers and the plane crashed."

As best I know, the evidence shows the passengers never made it into the cockpit.

"That's the official story."

No wonder truthers do not the "official" story... They do not use facts to base it on.

[jberryhill]

7. "beyond the performance capabilities of said plane"

So, if the maneuvers were "beyond the performance capabilities of said plane", then is it your position that no planes were used, that these were different planes, or what?

Obviously, no pilot, can maneuver a plane "beyond the performance capabilities of said plane", so what is it you are trying to say here?

[BeFree]

11. Bobby

Take out the 'performance capabilities of said plane' part and replace with "performance capability of said pilots" and you have the OCT down pat.

PS: Don't forget that cheney was in charge of the 'response' and did order a plane to be shot down, as another good addition. Of course the Mythsters don't like to talk about that aspect either and usually make up more myths to sidetrack that fact, too.

[OnTheOtherHand]

6. "I would love to go into hostile territory with a team of experts and discuss 9/11"

"...but regrettably, I'm already overbooked churning out bullshit articles like this one! And that's why I'm warning my allies not to listen to critics, and begging the critics to be quiet! It's because of my passion for public discourse!"

I think that people actually fall for this -- I think Jesse Richard himself may have fallen for it. But it's painfully foolish on its face.

[LARED]

8. Well I read the whole article, and one thought comes to mind

Mr Richard is delusional.

[terrafirma]

9. I love his closing remarks.

It's always amusing to see a grown adult act like a 5-year old who's losing an argument at recess about who's dad is stronger.

[William Seger]

10. That was pathetic

"These questions must be answered, so just STFU and stop answering them! I'm not listening!" (Paraphrased.)

[911JusticeNow]

12. People Need To Be Held Accountable For 9/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D2Voy0tQR4

[Norrin Radd]

13. One needn't discount the official account to suppose there might

be more to the story, a conspiracy, an inside/outside job or simply a job. Simply work backward from the hijackers crashing planes. Where did they get the funds for the operation? Could their benefactors fit to profit in other ways from their success, even if the buildings hadn't collapsed? How/Why were they not prevented from obtaining pilots licenses? Etc.

Really, all of the other more complicated stuff was put forward in hope of an ironclad method in which to prevent Bush/Cheney reelection.