xkcd does chemtrails and 9/11

[caraher]

http://xkcd.com/966/">Jet Fuel

[Codeine]

1. The mouseover on that one is classic. nt

[Bolo Boffin]

2. We can't recommend posts here in the Dungeon!?!?

OUTRAGE

[KDLarsen]

4. My goodness, it's bolo, I thought you had abandoned us

Just kidding, glad to see you're still alive ;)

[SidDithers]

3. Thing of beauty...

thanks for posting. :thumbsup:

Sid

[Realityhack]

5. I came back here just to see the reaction to this.

I am disappointed we never saw an actual argument on this issue.

[deconstruct911]

6. It's kind of funny

from what I understand oil & gas production waste like sludge contains high amounts of barium. Apparently barium is only pure when stored under kerosene. Just sayin the chemtrail theory is based on BA/HAARP in conjunction I guess....

What argument did you expect on a thread like this though? What is to be taken seriously about this?

[defendandprotect]

7. It's kind of funny that anyone would think that Chemtrails are a "theory" ... look up at the skies.

Additionally, government has confirmed the program -- and it's been in place

for about 20 years -- internationally!

Whatever they are spewing out into the skies eventually fals to earth -- and

returns to earth again and again as part of rain.


Meanwhile, jet fuel is the equivalent of kerosene and doesn't burn hot enough to

bring down a steel building. Why is anyone trying to deny that?

[zappaman]

8. Like a fire extinguisher full of crazy

just spraying all over DU...

[LARED]

10. I'm going to use that. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Stealing that one!

:spray: :rofl:

[SidDithers]

26. That's awesome...nt

Sid

[hack89]

9. Government has never "confirmed" chemtrails

CTrs may have misunderstood or distorted the meaning of some government statement but the government has never confirmed chem trails.

[deconstruct911]

11. Well I can only speak for myself

and I'm not trying to deny anyhting.

"Additionally, government has confirmed the program -- and it's been in place

for about 20 years -- internationally!"

I have only researched the topic for 2 years maybe. It seems like no one before the late 90's noticed the program with some researchers saying it was the mid 90's when the increase in persistent trails became noticeable. Seems to coincide fairly precisely with haarp which is also mid 90's. No info on the gov/militarya dmitting it in their documents (but they are trying hard to convince us spraying the atmosphere with the radiants from oil production waste will save us from... well, oil induced global warming) Bernard Eastlund said in "holes in heaven" the military has tried to use chaff type materials to absorb EM energy. Apparently in the patent he also suggest one might consider injecting barium in the atmosphere.

[defendandprotect]

12. Are you suggesting that you are a recognized "researcher" .... ?

This is a rather distorted concept of chemtrails ....

I have only researched the topic for 2 years maybe. It seems like no one before the late 90's noticed the program with some researchers saying it was the mid 90's when the increase in persistent trails became noticeable. Seems to coincide fairly precisely with haarp which is also mid 90's. No info on the gov/militarya dmitting it in their documents (but they are trying hard to convince us spraying the atmosphere with the radiants from oil production waste will save us from... well, oil induced global warming) Bernard Eastlund said in "holes in heaven" the military has tried to use chaff type materials to absorb EM energy. Apparently in the patent he also suggest one might consider injecting barium in the atmosphere.

You do understand that there are visible planes in the skies laying these chemtrails?

The government's admission of the program came in the Senate because there was legislation

which passed the program into the hands of private interets -- after what seemed to have been

a long period of the military handling it -- or at least contractors working for military.


The official explanation is "weather modification" -- and the presumation has been that it is

to block radiation/heat -- prehaps to prevent destruction of crops.

Others suggest it has a military use connected to military communications in ME.

Some of the chemicals have been identified -- some not. But again, they certainly fall to

earth at some point.

[deconstruct911]

13. I think we are on the same page....

The reason I think they invested in this operation is because everything can be blamed on natural phenomenon and that's why I don't say I have proof of chemtrails. The blocking sunlight to protect the planet is pure bullshit in my opinion. They say a lot of contradictory things in the haarp notes like memorandum 195 but I have no word on the gov admitting they are spraying. (maybe I need to see the legislation. Is that the Kucinich one?) From what I understand they are saying 30 years from now they MIGHT do it. Lots of word games. That's what I understood from Mike Murphy's documentary...

A lot of talk about barium involved which would act like an absorbent. HAARP is a powerful radiowave transmitter. seems like a fairly clear definition of the true purpose. The communication thing makes sense but it could have far more sinister applications ie ELF pulsed through a chemtrail sky.


"The official explanation is "weather modification" -- and the presumation has been that it is

to block radiation/heat -- prehaps to prevent destruction of crops."

I would rather the sun doing its job and not nazi eugencists.

[defendandprotect]

14. That's not clear to me ....

Not everything can be blamed on natural phenomenon -- certainly not joblessness, or

gun violence or a lack of Medicare4All, nor the MIC or national security state.


Again, your statements are contradictory -- and rather it seems more like you are trying

to deny the reality of chemtrails in our skies. Are you?


The existence of chemtrails and the possible motivation for them are TWO different things --

one visible and acknowledged by government -- the other stated as "weather modification,"

though questioned by some.


The blocking sunlight to protect the planet is pure bullshit in my opinion.

I would rather the sun doing its job and not nazi eugenicists.

We have huge holes in our ozone layer -- do you not understand the problems that causes?

Or the simply stronger HEAT/sunlight reaching the planet, the ground, soil, water, humans

and the harm that does?


but I have no word on the gov admitting they are spraying.

Again, the Senate/House have had to deal with the issue of chemtrails in order to pass the

project over to private interests or at least privatized military. The legislation is

assigned a number which in fact I used to have. It's ending digits/references are a little

different from other legislation making it more difficult to track. But, at the least, if

you explore on the internet, you will see the issue has been discussed in Congress.

Kucinich had nothing to do with the legislation, tho Kucinich did try to press for information

over years and years while he was in the House.


From what I understand they are saying 30 years from now they MIGHT do it.

No. You seem to really not understand the chemtrail issue. The spraying of these chemicals

in the sky has been going on for 20 years or more -- not only in America, but internationally.

Someone brought it to my attention ten or more years ago and watching here, it was very obvious,

very blatant in the sky. In fact, on a number of occasions I could see that numerous planes

were working together to fill the sky with chemtrails and at that time they were still

cross hatching which made the chemtrails even more prominent. At that time it was strictly

straight lines which would widen until finally the sky -- previously blue and cloudless --

would be a milky white. On one occasion close to the Raritan Bridge in NJ, as many as 12

planes were working to lay the chemtrails and there seemed to be another plane going back and

forth monitoring the work. At some point, the chemtrails changed slightly in that instead of

the planes expelling straight lines and cross hatching, they were expelling what looked like

a line of puffs of the chemical which eventually also enlarged and continued to expand across

the sky. And that's pretty much where the project was when it seemed to be turned over from

the military to a private company. They're still expelling the chemicals in puffs tho from

time to time I see some straight lines, but rarely do you see cross hatching any longer.

And I'd say the laying of the chemtrails was toned down as to make them less noticeable.

And to have the end result look more cloud like.


As for any involvement of HAARP or ELF, I have no idea -- however, those who have suggested that

this is connected to military communications in ME have to understand that all of this began long

before we were involved in these wars in ME.


You should also understand that the truth of Global Warming is that it is an immediate threat to

our survival on this planet. That information was also conveyed to W Bush by the Pentagon in

2004 in a Secret Memorandum which made clear that Global Warming is a bigger threat to US than

"terrorism." As scientists have made clear -- and as the Pentagon repeated -- Global Warming

will bring chaotic weather -- droughts/floods, cyclones, tornadoes, storms, hurricanes and

EARTHQUAKES -- all in increasing number and severity. A few years after the Memorandum became

public on the internet the reference to "earthquakes" was scrubbed. However, other scientists

have also connected earthquakes to Global Warming due to the melting of the glaciers and the

changing pressures/weights on tectonic plates. That's another reason why the Fukushima government

wanted to close down the nuclear reactors there -- given the age, conditions of the reactors and

that they were only designed to withstand 7.1 earthquakes, while Japanese scientists were

reporting increasing seismic activity. Had the reactors been shut down 5-6 years ago it would

have saved a lot of pain and suffering for Japan and the world.


It also points to the need for us to begin to push for the shutting down of our own nuclear

reactors -- 103 or more across US -- which may make the difference between "a whimper or a bang" !!


Needless to say, I'm not in favor of chemicals being sprayed into our skies --

least of all when reasons are not made public and when we don't know what all of the chemicals are.

[deconstruct911]

16. hmm

You seem to interpret different meanings from what I am trying to say.

Your argument about chemtrail deniers is more to do with the other 3 replies to # 7....

My point about chemtrails/haarp saving us from global warming was analogous to nukes/water fluoridation=industrial waste is good for us... Why spray radioactive junk (barium etc) in the atmosphere to protect people from radiation? That's a theory that chemtrails are the lesser of two evils. I am suggesting the truth is far worse. If they are worried about a depleted atmosphere maybe they could consider using Tesla's work for the betterment of humanity instead of the opposite. Right?

[defendandprotect]

18. As I said, your posts aren't clear ....

Again --

We have the reality of chemtrails --

We know the official reason is "weather modification" --

Where do you have any evidence or even speculation for connecting chemtrails and HAARP?

Nor have I ever seen any speculation that HAARP would have a positive effect on Global

Warming -- rather only negative effects have been suggested.


There is NO question that we both agree that putting chemicals into the skies isn't a good

idea no matter what the motivation may be. On that we can agree.


And what work of Tesla's do you think could cure Global Warming?

[deconstruct911]

17. Here:

This is my problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngYTQIiprbA&feature=fvst

ALL media coverage (although very limited) and the "geoengineers" say it is to protect us from global warming. The problem is I don't believe official stories and I really don't trust them. It's also been discussed how chemtrails can also deplete the atmopshere. Also just like the "holes in heaven" producer said "In an already hot scenario of global warming, extreme heating our atmosphere with high frequency radio wave technology might not be the best experimentation for studying our upper atmosphere for communications" - Paula Randol-Smith, Producer
http://www.holesinheaven.com/vidsum.html

Barium chemtrails would only make the capabilities of haarp worse. Oh and remember JASON predicted global warming so accurately shortly before chemtrails/haarp was deployed.

[defendandprotect]

19. Again --

There is little info on chemtrails except by observers and those who allegedly

have infiltrated the program.

And we only have the stated reason of government -- i.e.. "weather modification" --

without details re the chemicals being used which they have fought to keep secret

over decades.


And, again, chemtrails have been appearing in the skies internationally for more than

20 years. Long before we were involved in wars in ME.

And hadn't heard this before, but as far as I know is only speculation ---

Also just like the "holes in heaven" producer said "In an already hot scenario of global warming, extreme heating our atmosphere with high frequency radio wave technology might not be the best experimentation for studying our upper atmosphere for communications" - Paula Randol-Smith, Producer
http://www.holesinheaven.com/vidsum.html

And, again ...


Barium chemtrails would only make the capabilities of haarp worse. Oh and remember JASON predicted global warming so accurately shortly before chemtrails/haarp was deployed.

You continue to connect HAARP and chemtrails, though I see no proven connection.

Who is "JASON" -- tho presume I could google it?

[deconstruct911]

20. Google it...

JASON Group is the name. Bernard Eastlund briefly mentioned in "holes in heaven" the military tired experiments with chaff/aluminum to absorb energy. Are you suggesting barium would only be used to absorb sunlight, only used for cloud seeding or you don't think barium is being used period?

The other thing is haarp has been operating for almost 18 years. Exact same timing as the modern chemtrail operation. They do seem connected for various reasons, though you are correct there's no proof. The other thing I should be more clear about is I know chemtrails can and are used to block out sunlight, just not convinced it's about global warming... Not saying the global warming theory is incorrect though. I hope that makes it more clear where my point of view is.


NASA photograph showing aircraft contrails and natural clouds. The temporary disappearance of contrails over North America due to plane groundings after the September 11, 2001 attacks, and the resulting increase in diurnal temperature range gave empirical evidence of the effect of thin ice clouds at the Earth's surface


Some climate scientists have theorized that aircraft contrails (also called vapor trails) are implicated in global dimming, but the constant flow of air traffic previously meant that this could not be tested. The near-total shutdown of civil air traffic during the three days following the September 11, 2001 attacks afforded a unique opportunity in which to observe the climate of the United States absent from the effect of contrails. During this period, an increase in diurnal temperature variation of over 1 °C (1.8 °F) was observed in some parts of the U.S., i.e. aircraft contrails may have been raising nighttime temperatures and/or lowering daytime temperatures by much more than previously thought.<26>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

[defendandprotect]

21. Excellent photo of the OLD way of laying the Chemtrails --

Btw, excellent photo of the straight lines of Chemtrails and cross hatching which

was going on back in 2001 -- and quite good examples of how they quickly widen, spread

out over the sky until sky is a milky white.

Any amazing that anyone would seriously be confused between this and plane contrails!


Re this new post, you're getting a little clearer -- especially re this ...

The other thing is haarp has been operating for almost 18 years. Exact same timing as the modern
chemtrail operation. They do seem connected for various reasons, though you are correct there's no proof. The other thing I should be more clear about is I know chemtrails can and are used to block out sunlight, just not convinced it's about global warming... Not saying the global warming theory is incorrect though. I hope that makes it more clear where my point of view is.

However, again, you're broadening discussion based on speculation, imo --

Needless to say, airplanes burn fuel which creates Global Warming -- just as cars do!

Dimming, as I recall it, is where junk in atmosphere -- which we are working on limiting --

is creating a somewhat lessening of sunlight reaching earth.

Some climate scientists have theorized that aircraft contrails (also called vapor trails) are implicated in global dimming...

HOWEVER, keep in mind that because there was a 50 year delay in our feeling the effects of

Global Warming -- though the glacier melting began in 1940's -- we are now only beginning to

feel the effects of our human activity up to about 1960--!!! Think about how much damaging

activity there was AFTER that time!!

Without doubt, there will be ever increasingly chaotic weather events -- of increasing severity.


As for this ....

JASON Group is the name. Bernard Eastlund briefly mentioned in "holes in heaven" the military tired experiments with chaff/aluminum to absorb energy. Are you suggesting barium would only be used to absorb sunlight, only used for cloud seeding or you don't think barium is being used period?

If you wish, give a fuller explanation of the probject to "absorb energy" -- were they trying to

steal someone else's oil -- or someone else's electricity -- ?


And, I'm suggesting nothing about barium --

In fact, I've given very little thought to barium except as something probably not acceptble

to be dropped unknowingly on the public --

However, a brief search shows at least this ...

Barium
Uses. Barium is used in fireworks to give a green colouration. Barium is used in glassmaking. Barium is used as a getter in the electronics industry, to remove the last ...
www.ucc.ie/academic/chem/dolchem/html/elem/elem056.html - Cached

Barium - used, first, body, produced, uses, Barium and ...
While barium and all of its soluble (dissolvable) compounds are poisonous, barium sulfate is used in medical procedures because it will not dissolve in ...
www.discoveriesinmedicine.com/Bar-Cod/Barium.html - Cached

Barium, Chemical Element - Overview, Discovery and naming ...
Barium itself tends to have relatively few commercial uses. However, its compounds have a wide variety of applications in industry and medicine. Barium ...
www.chemistryexplained.com/elements/A-C/Barium.html - Cached

but I do presume that barium is being used in chemtrails as I think that has been acknowledged

by those gathering up the stuff falling to earth -- however, many other secret chemicals, it seems.


Again, HAARP was the most censored story of 1994 -- and without doubt is capable of doing immense

damage probably in ways that we've never even thought of!


Again, I see no connection between the two projects, not that I think both aren't harmful.

But you have to understand that even IF the two were connected in some way, I don't think the

Pentagon is stupid enough to try to increase the effects of Global Warming???

That being said, we obviously have at least two competing power groups in the Pentagon/Intelligence.

What I think we can agree on is that the people in charge of our nation are suicidal in their

desire to control others. What they've worked for is their own demise, but they will take us all

with them!


Meanwhile, we should be concentrating on shutting down the 103/106 nuclear power reactors we

have across the US -- about two in every state!! They have real potential for disaster on our

planet -- much like Fukushima!!



Later --

[deconstruct911]

22. This is what I do not get:

"Again, I see no connection between the two projects, not that I think both aren't harmful.

But you have to understand that even IF the two were connected in some way, I don't think the

Pentagon is stupid enough to try to increase the effects of Global Warming???"


Are you suggesting they wouldn't induce droughts? Don't be so naive!


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html


Also you talk about chemtrails/M.E. Yet they have some of the worst droughts in the world highlighted in the globalresearch article.

It is admitted that using the program to shield some areas from sunlight will deplete other parts of the atmosphere.


" barium sulfate is used in medical procedures because it will not dissolve in "

Missing part:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_swallow

"Radiocontrast agent

Barium sulfate is frequently used clinically as a radiocontrast agent for X-ray imaging and other diagnostic procedures. It is most often used in imaging of the GI tract during what is colloquially known as a 'barium meal'. It is administered, orally or by enema, as a suspension of fine particles in an aqueous solution (often with sweetening agents added). Although barium is a heavy metal, and its water-soluble compounds are often highly toxic, the low solubility of barium sulfate protects the patient from absorbing harmful amounts of the metal. Barium sulfate is also readily removed from the body, unlike Thorotrast, which it replaced. Due to the relatively high atomic number (Z = 56) of barium, its compounds absorb X-rays more strongly than compounds derived from lighter nuclei."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_sulfate


Barium is also mentioned in Eastlund's patent:

"It has also been proposed to release large clouds of barium in the magnetosphere so that photoionization will increase the cold plasma density, thereby producing electron precipitation through enhanced whistler-mode interactions."
http://www.bariumblues.com/haarp_patent.htm

Eastlund's comment about chaff is around 32:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VMfzO94M0

More on jason group. Now when you hear about jason these days (most don't) it would likely be about global warming. It is funded by DoD, DoE, & intelligence community. The groups funding jason control the geoengineering agenda. Around half the jason studies are classified.

[defendandprotect]

23. Do you really think that Pentagon has caused droughts across 14 of our states in South ....?

Again -- there is a Pentagon Secret Memo to W Bush in 2004 warning of the effects of

Global Warming being more dangerous than terrorism. That includes, droughts/floods,

increasing storm activity, increasing hurricanes coming further North, cyclones,

tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanic activity.

Granted, that didn't keep W from diverting from his wars -- but it is on the record.


Yes -- they certainly would induce a drought in Cuba if they could do that --

but as I've said before we're all in the same boat re Global Warming now and it's not

going to be a case of only half the boat going down! Additionally, Global Warming has

become extremely expensive for elites. Lots of property being lost.


Do I think that the Pentagon/MIC is stupid enough to try to flood just certain parts of

the nation? No.*

And, again, GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL ... it is providing REAL DROUGHTS/FLOODS --

IT IS PROVIDING CHAOTIC WEATHER DUE TO THE HEATING OF THE ENVIRONMENT -- IT IS CREATING

MORE STORMS AND HURRICANES WHICH IN TURN PRODUCE MORE CYCLONES AND TORNADOES!

GLOBAL WARMING -- DUE TO THE MELTING OF THE GLACIERS -- IS ALSO CREATING MORE EARTHQUAKES!!


Do you seriously think the MIC/Pentagon/Elites would try to create an earthquake that would

strike only the NE -- DC/VA areas? Granted they may be stupid enough to blow something up

that might trigger an earthquake underground, but -- no -- I don't think that would be any

real goal they're aiming for and would only happen due to stupidity and accident.


What I think you fail to really absorb is the seriousness of Global Warming and the damage it

has already done. Do you seriously think the MIC/Pentagon aimed to melt the glaciers?

Or to destroy our oceans in the mixing of fresh water and sea water?

Do you really think that the aim of BP and its oil drilling in Gulf was to befoul the Gulf and

its animal life/fish? This is what we used to call "unintended consequences" of being very stupid

and greedy. Plus OIL is a national security issue -- no oil/no wars.


Do you really think that the aim of TEPCO was to blow up nuclear reactors in Fukushima?

Is that why they only built them to withstand 7.1 earthquakes? Is that why they failed to

maintain or build them properly? Or did those things happen because of lust for the buck and

ignorance based on greed?


Re Barium -- whatever it's many uses -- it should not be thrown into the skies where it will

fall down on the population. And, again, you're ignoring the fact that there are other

chemicals involved which are still secret.


Some do suggest that there are or will be mass programs to kill citizens --

think that came out of a Rand Study. That's always possible -- especially given the

fact that our candidates and elected officials are more and more often elites or sell themselves

to elites/corporations. In the end that is suicidal activity.

But NONE of that means that we don't have Global Warming for real and that it isn't as serious

as all hell!!


More on jason group. Now when you hear about jason these days (most don't) it would likely be about global warming. It is funded by DoD, DoE, & intelligence community. The groups funding jason control the geo engineering agenda. Around half the jason studies are classified.


Given that information, why would you believe anything that this group makes public?


Concentrate on this -- "bus-i-ness" created Global Warming and scientists were aware of the

negative effects on nature/trees/humans from the industrial revolution 125 years or more ago.

Glacier Warming had begun at least by the 1940's and was accelerated by the build up for WWII.

And every war has worsened the situation, of course!






+ Also keep in mind that floods are a threat to our nuclear reactors --

Droughts, as well, since they require WATER to keep cool.

Nuclear Reactors are one of the most insane "capitalistic" adventures ever adopted --

Nuclear power is used to boil water to create steam! :eyes:

The WASTE alone created at these plants is suicidal -- !!

Why did this happen? Because the MIC evidently felt threatened by the campaigns to

"Ban the bomb!" after WWII -- and to divert from the very real dangers of atomic

power and weapons, they created an insane but allegedly "peaceful" use for atomic power.

It's all based on lies and insanity -- but it stopped the "Ban the Bombers" and it

provided a new capitalist adventure for elites!


Do we think that HAARP actually created a tsunami to flood an already destroyed nuclear

power plant in Fukushima? NO -- !!!


Five or six years ago, the government in Japan wanted to close down the Fukushima reactors

and W Bush sent members of the nuclear power industry and government officials to work to

keep them open and to remove the members of government in Japan trying to close them!

Do you think the events at Fukushima which is a threat not only to Japan but to the world

is something Obama and the nuclear reactor industry wanted to see happen? Really?

Obama and the nuclear reactor industry are trying to get Americans to insure/subsidize a

new generation of nuclear reactors across America.



PS: That's about as far as I can help you out of the HAARP hole -- the rest is up to you.

[deconstruct911]

24. Again, it's kind of funny:

Earlier you wrote:"Again, your statements are contradictory -- and rather it seems more like you are trying

to deny the reality of chemtrails in our skies. Are you?"

You are more focused on debunking geoengineering rather than continuing to research it! That is up to you....


"Given that information, why would you believe anything that this group makes public?"

Bingo... But you obviously misunderstood what I wrote. Probably he main jason issue that is public is global warming. The public image is NOT chemtrails/haarp/geoengineering which is a black project. The impact of GW is being used as a profit scheme.


How the hell can I answer questions like this:?


"Do you think the events at Fukushima which is a threat not only to Japan but to the world

is something Obama and the nuclear reactor industry wanted to see happen? Really?"

I don't know!!! They are spraying worldwide so the logic here fails. Do you think Obama personally controls the haarp technology or something? I didn't mention Fukushima but I do believe there are some red flags. One of which was this clip just a few hours prior about the theory you expect me to believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6iSWkbNteU

Another red flag is building a nucler plant around Honshu Bay. (1896 tsnunami)
Japan's elite reaction to the disaster was alarming to me. Why would the illuminati or whatever you want to call them worry about the fallout and genetic impact if they are not worried about chemtrail fallout?
What's the blow to the nuclear indutry? I don't see the end of the nuclear plants.

Back on topic, I'm not ignoring anything about the substances in chemtrails. So far some of the materials shown in them can act like absorbents though, something you seem to ignore for whatever reasons. I acknowledge they cause droughts and cloud cover... I don't see how I am being ignorant on that issue.


Insurance companies are not set up to loose money. Many people are surprised to learn the industry profited from the events of 9 11 and Katrina directly in the form of bailouts and premiums. How are such projects funded? Companies like AIG have long been connected to cia and money laundering which finances black projects. Why would they fund something you claim they only loose from? Do you think we fund it through taxes? Clearstream even ties in the global warming swindle.(carbon trading) (clearstream is a huge center for money laundering all the way back to BCCI... Look it up) You don't consider the groups exploiting GW are running geoengineering. You also have yet to show how geoengineering is not contributing to global warming, just asserting it is not. One could argue some of the worst effects of global warming are happening since haarp and chemtrails have been implemented. Tesla talked about weather maanipulation in 1912!

We agree to disagree.

[defendandprotect]

25. "Global Warming is being used as a profit scheme" ... ?????

Obviously that's your underlying thinking which is what is screwing up the rest of

your thinking -- but glad to see you spit that one out!


Chemicals that are being kept secret are just as large a concern as those that are known.


What you're been saying all adds up to a bit fat zero at this point --


Bye --

[deconstruct911]

28. "What you're been saying all adds up to a bit fat zero at this point "

Well yea, the wealthy group at the top never loses, only the people at the bottom. Adds up to nothing though.

Both NASA and the DoE conduct aerosol experiments and studies and they both deny the existence of aerosol chemtrails.

Studies of atmospheric aerosols:

-Volcanic aerosol
-Desert Dust aerosol
-Human made aerosol
-contrails

"In the spring of 1996, the Subsonic Aircraft Contrail and Cloud Effects Special Study (SUCCESS) focused on subsonic aircraft contrails and the impact of the aerosols in those contrails on cirrus clouds and atmospheric chemistry. Researchers have determined that aircraft contrails can prolong the presence of high altitude cirrus clouds while also decreasing the size of the ice crystals that make up the clouds.Studies like SUCCESS and AEAP will be ongoing as scientists continue to try to understand how aerosols affect our atmosphere and climate."
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/factsheets/Aerosols.html

DoE aerosol study:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Bg7NLDZEw

ASP also consists of aircraft studies on atmospheric aerosols.

I can't find documents that people say admit chemtrail operations are ongoing... I did find numerous DARPA experiments conducted in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and on to spray barium clouds in the ionosphere which included high frequency heating experiments. The DARPA program studied for several decades appears to be very similar to the current program separated by occasional spraying of the ionosphere for several decades compared to frequent upper troposphere and lower stratosphere chemtrail spraying, beginning with haarp in 95. The 96 NASA atmospheric aerosol article which highlights aerosols contribution to "redden sunrises and sunsets" was published when the troposphere/stratosphere aerosol spraying went full swing.

http://dsearch.dtic.mil/search?site=default_collection&q=barium+cloud&client=dticol_frontend&proxystylesheet=dticol_frontend&proxyreload=1&filter=0&getfields=

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD757916&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

HAARP and barium clouds:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA406637

3.1 BARIUM ROCKET RELEASES AT ARECIBO

"The CRRES (Combined Release and Radiation Effects Satellite) experiments included a sequence of rocket-launched chemical releases in Peurto Rico. Those experiments in June-July 1992, provided an opportunity to observe the dynamics and evolution of high altitude chemical releases at middle latitudes. Barium charges were released under both ambient conditions, and into an ionisphere modified by HF heating, and the effects were observed using a number of ground-based instruments...."

"The periods of heating prior to rocket release flights provided an opportunity to study heating effects, pre se, in the local morning ionosphere ..."

So the important question aside from this barium debate is what to think about this:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/warming_aerosols.html
When NASA's "SUCCESS and AEAP" studies are not disclosing publicly the impact of aerosol chemtrails.

[yodermon]

27. OMG. Attention deconstruct911 & defendandprotect . The OP was commentary, not instruction.

:rofl: