Stanlet Kubrick, "The Shining", and the Apollo Missions

[spooked911]

Very interesting:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/luna_apollomissions10.htm

[zappaman]

1. LOL!

"It is important to note that the room in question was numbered 217 in the Stephen King version of The Shining. For unknown reason's Kubrick changed it to 237."

The hotel requested the change to a non-existent room since they were afraid no one would stay in 217 which did exist.
And shouldn't he have changed it to-DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMM-333?!?!?!?!
You crack me up!

[ryan_cats]

2. I'm sorry but...

I'm sorry but, using this as that site's intro is not a way to build credibility:
At the time, in 1980 when I first saw it, I didn't like it at all. The way that Kubrick threw out so much of Stephen King's great source material and replaced it with a lot of things that just didn't seem to make any sense, really bothered me.

Now, we all know, I hope, that Stephen Kings is a hack writer, there's no such thing as his excellent source material. I would be open to hearing how, because of Stephen King, the aliens have quarantined us on our planet.

[zappaman]

3. Moon Loons are hilarious!!!

Look around this jackass's site.
Plenty of hilarity to be had.

Thank god for the internet, where mental cases can throw up their crazy onto the world!

[spooked911]

4. I haven't read enough King to know what a hack he is

the only thing I ever read of his was, in fact, "The Shining", and before the movie came out. I thought the book started out great, had some cool themes, and fell apart at the end.

Anyway, the analysis of the film is pretty cool, you shouldn't let that opening line get in the way. I'm sure you are very open-minded on all this, and you're just making a funny about Stephen King and quarantine.

[zappaman]

6. "Anyway, the analysis of the film is pretty cool"

Actually, no...it's not.
It's ridiculous and full of bullshit like the one example I pointed out.
But moon loons are funny!

[deconstruct911]

5. Ruh roh!

DU was so sheltered from Kubrick oddities until spooked had to finally post it!

"Especially as he began to appear under the stress of the twin productions going on at once:

2001: A Space Odyssey

faking the Apollo 11 landings."

I just can't help adding this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUjxVdNEobY&feature=feedf

Kubrick died right after eyes wide shut. Maybe that sums up his thoughts. March 7, 1999-jan 1, 2001= 666 days.

[LARED]

7. I actually read a decent portion on the 'analysis', and

at first I thought it was a really lame attempt at satire, but was wrong. It's just another kook.

[zappaman]

8. "ALL" means "Apollo 11"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[spooked911]

9. no, it's "All"-- works better with lower case for "l", particularly with a serif font

I actually just watched the film, and I think this explains quite a bit, as this film was really quite unusual for Kubrick.

Go ahead and laugh your ass off, I don't give a shit.

[zappaman]

12. LOL!

You don't give a shit?
Than why did you post this inanity?
I thought it was to give everyone a good laugh cuz no one could actually take this seriously!

[spooked911]

19. Having just watched the film, I took the analysis seriously and I think it makes sense

of course *YOU* will think it's a joke.

[LARED]

10. Part that made me laugh out loud

A cold winter storm has now blown over the Hotel. The oncoming storm is a symbol of the Cold War between Russia and the United States. Of course the Cold War is also one of the driving forces for the entire reason for faking the moon landings. It was necessary to hide the advanced U.S. saucer technology from the Soviet Union.

[zappaman]

11. this part is good for a hoot too

"In another abrupt break with the novel, Jack Torrance kills Halorann as soon as he arrives at the Overlook (so much for Halorann's psychic abilities!)

While I think this scene is very disturbing and I doubt if I can ever prove this but I think Stanley Kubrick is telling us something very definite with this alteration to the King novel.

I believe that the naïve side of him, represented by Danny, told someone that he, Kubrick, was faking the Apollo missions.

He may even have told this person that he was faking the lunar landings for NASA while also appearing to produce the film 2001: A Space Odyssey. Hallorin is the representation of the person that Kubrick mistakenly revealed this most secret of all information. Because of that, Hallorin, or the person who Stanley told, had to die.

The secret must remain safe."


How many different ways can he spell HALLORANN(which is the correct way)?

[zappaman]

13. Hey Spooked

do you think the government let stanley in on the fact that the earth is under quarantine by an alien race?
food for thought...

[spooked911]

15. No

I don't think they did

[jakeXT]

14. I don't remember, why did Kubrick get the lens from Nasa he wanted ?

I'll have to rewatch that mockumentary again

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2304895215368202642


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0344160/

[spooked911]

16. supposedly he used it to film Barry Lyndon

something about the low light from candles

[jakeXT]

17. I mean why and where did he get them, what connections did he have ?

There were were only 10 of these Zeiss lenses ever produced. Three are owned by Kubrick, six by NASA and one can be found at the German Movie Museum in Frankfurt.

http://blog.glassquarterly.com/2009/09/23/glass-curiosities-a-nasa-lens-becomes-a-filmmakers-obsession/

[spooked911]

18. the deal was that Kubrick would help NASA with filming the fake moon landing

in exchange for the lenses. That's what that movie implied, anyway.

[zappaman]

20. Moon Loons!

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/moonhoax2.html

[jakeXT]

21. What does this have to do with Kubrick?

[zappaman]

22. It has everything to do with Kubrick.

It shows how all the moon loons who cry "fakery" are wrong.
If the moon landing wasn't faked, then obviously Kubrick did not fake the moon landing.
Is that too much for you to comprehend?

[terrafirma]

23. More food for thought....

King is in the process of writing a sequel to The Shining.

What do you make of that, Spooked??

[greyl]

25. ...and his next release is about the J.F.K. assassination and time travel.

I'm looking forward to that one: http://112263book.com/

[defendandprotect]

28. Will be interesting to see if King offers any insights into JFK assassination and

where we are today because of it -- and what we can do about it --

Thanks for the info --

[spooked911]

31. Moon Landing Believing Loons!

You should read the Wagging the Moondoggie series:
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

[zappaman]

32. "Moon Landing Believing Loons!" LOL n/t

[defendandprotect]

36. Thanks for the link -- got sidetracked in reading ....

the review of the history of the Laurel Canyon -- and Astroturf Hippies -- who weren't

political in their song writing!! Amazing --

Mae Brussel pegged this long, long ago with her review of the fake Manson movement --

vs the actual youth rebellion.


Will catch up with what they're saying on the Moon Landing later --


:hi:

[OnTheOtherHand]

37. yeah, it was endlessly fascinating

Recently I read about someone who insisted that the theory of sound waves was nonsensical, because no one could possibly believe that a mere cricket produced waves strong enough to be detected at a distance.

David McGowan's ruminations are sort of like that, over and over and over again. If dozens of terrible arguments could be combined to produce a pretty good argument, then McGowan would be on to something.

[spooked911]

40. hey, I have a fun idea

why don't you link to a piece that you think has GREAT arguments? The topic doesn't matter. Then we can see what kind of argument you find so wonderfully persuasive.

[zappaman]

41. okey dokey spooked

here's one...oops...I mean many.
Don't come back until you've read and UNDERSTOOD them all.
Seriously, you really should get some kind of mental help.

http://www.badastronomy.com
http://www.clavius.org/
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/moonhoax2.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/07/16/moonstruck.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5833633/Apollo-11-Moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked.html
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/
http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com/
http://radicalfilms.co.uk/2008/01/26/sky-at-night-moon-hoax-debunked-by-patrick-moore/
http://unmsia.com/debunking-the-moon-hoax-comic-style/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moon_landing_hoax
http://www.ksbw.com/technology/20031195/detail.html
http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/mythbusters-debunk-moon-hoax/
http://www.moonhoaxdebunked.com/
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Apollo11MoonLanding/story?id=8104410
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/jul/02/apollo-11-hoax-myths-debunked

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[zappaman]

44. What's the matter?

My links aren't good enough?
Try reading them, then comment.
Sorry, spooked, but I am not a government shill.
However, I do recognize what a mental illness is and that is why I feel bad for you.

[spooked911]

46. I'm fine, thanks.

anyway, I am specifically interested in what OTOH considers as a strong argument.

[OnTheOtherHand]

52. conceding defeat so easily?

I thought you might be willing to point to one of that fellow's arguments that you thought was actually good.

But if you're not very interested in this topic, well, that's fine with me.

[deconstruct911]

24. More examples than the shining apparently

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeY78Wa0ooM

[defendandprotect]

26. It is interesting because there have been strong indications that Kubrick

faked the moon landing -- and there was even film of a few notable government

criminals individually discussing it -- was it Kissinger and ... forget who else --

but as I reflect on it, wasn't it kind of a whitewash of the reasons why this was done?


Also, didn't Stanley Kubrick's wife suggest that he did in fact do this?


It's almost humorous, however, to see the SHOCK some still register at the thought that

this might have happened -- yet, everything we know about the corruption of our government

-- MIC/CIA -- indicates it deserves no trust.



I've never seen the movie -- 2001 -- A Space Odyssey - but did just look at a little

review of what it was about -- and evidently written by Stanley Kubrick with Artur C. Clarke.

Don't know when they wrote it, but production began in April 1965. And allegedly at least

two years or more in the making? In England?

Mainly notable for its "special effects" --


I've never either seen "The Shining" because of its violence -- but it was written by

Stephen King in 1977 -- so it was quickly picked up by Kubrick cause the movie came out in 1980.

Also note that in the novel, Wendy, Danny and Hallorann survive to summer in Maine!

And that the title was taken from John Lennon's song -- "And we all shine on" was one refrain.


Many questions --

Did Kubrick fear for his life?

Did Kubrick/Torrance indirectly cause the murder of someone in whom Kubrick confided his work

work for NASA and faking moon landings?


Gemini was projected as "Stepping Stone to the Moon" --

Introduced crew of two to travel to earth orbit.

It was the stepping stone to prepare for human missions to the moon.

Might wonder who was planning these real missions? Of course, when the decision was made to

fake them, Gemini was no longer needed -- killed?


Think the analysis/speculation re Cold War and the suggested "truth behind flying suacer craft

and machinery that US government actually had created and employed since WWII" is ridiculous.

More likely the German's had a space craft they had captured and/or had back engineered --

and more likely the German's had already produced two atomic bombs which we also took over.

But the Cold War was largely farce to keep the MIC going and to create the CIA afaics.

Jack Kennedy made a mockery of it -- happily enough!

AND, of course, the Russians were 12 years ahead of us in space work and knowledge.

And, btw, JFK had wanted to engage in JOINT PROJECTS with the Russians -- !!


I think it becomes more and more obvious that the Moon Landing was hoax -- and I think

also the movie "Capricorn One" was an interesting acknowledgment of that reality tho

it's about a flight to Mars. Written and directed by Peter Hyams and produced by Lew

Grade's ITC -- 1978.





Recap of 2001 -- A Space Odyssey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_(film)

And --

Project Gemini - Project Gemini. Credit: NASA

NASA’s second human spaceflight program was Project Gemini. Gemini expanded on Project Mercury by using a larger spacecraft to enable crew of two to travel to Earth orbit, and was a stepping stone to prepare for human missions to the Moon. The program was officially named on January 3, 1962, and was named after the third constellation of the zodiac, featuring the twin stars Castor and Pollux.

The main objectives of Project Gemini Program were to subject two men and supporting equipment to long duration flights – which would be a requirement for projected later trips to the moon or deeper space; to be able rendezvous and dock with other orbiting vehicles, and to maneuver the docked vehicles in space; to perfect methods of reentry and landing the spacecraft at a pre-selected land-landing point; to perform EVAs to test human capabilities in the space environment, and to gain additional information concerning the effects of weightlessness on crew members and to record the physiological reactions of crew members during long duration flights.

Project Gemini ran from April 1964 to November 1966 and included two unmanned test flights and ten manned flights.

http://www.universetoday.com/33063/project-gemini/



Interesting .... yep!

[spooked911]

29. Interesting points. I agree the bit about the saucer is ridiculous.

You should watch "The Shining". It really makes a lot of symbolic sense-- a guy trapped in a creepy place, in an evil contract, going nuts, abusing his wife; the Apollo 11 sweater is just the obvious give-away. The dead twins represent the Gemini project that was killed, etc.

[defendandprotect]

33. If this was Kubrick's confession mightn't he have also found another way

to let us know -- some documents left with lawyers?

Presume he had surviving children who may be threatened?

Kubrick's wife, however, didn't seem to be frightened of letting it be know --

or else she was willing to make it known thinking it important despite being frightened?


We would have to wonder why Kubrick did this -- was he forced to do it somehow?

Presumably he didn't feel guilty about having done it because he was trying to let us know

so it might have been a case where they found some way to force him to do it?

Or maybe he realized later that he had been tricked into cooperating and what a mistake

it was?

Basically, I think that the hoax succeeded -- and couldn't be challenged -- simply because

of the trust our nation had at the time -- a farce, of course, but I think that's true!


I think it's a lingering problem even now -- FDR's New Deal and his presidency and trust

for it still lingers despite the corruption that has set in.


Russians wouldn't have been able to challenge this -- no way!

[deconstruct911]

34. self delete. nt

[defendandprotect]

27. And was Kubrick's death a "suspicious death" .... ?

Kubrick died in March 1999 -- at age 71

"Be suspicious of people who have, or crave, power." He added, "Never, ever go near power. Don't become friends with anyone who has real power. It's dangerous."


By far Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, was his most cinematically expositional. With insightful aplomb he reflected the realities of the most taboo of subjects: satanic cults composed of elites, human sacrifice and paedophile networks. The front drop dealt with a professional, bored with his life and specifically his marriage, until his curiosity brings him in full contact with the realities of an underworld that slithers all about him. Eyes Wide Shut was a commentary on disaffected decadence as a lifestyle, as much as it was an exposure of the organised evil lurking about just beneath the surface.

Shortly after screening a final cut of Eyes Wide Shut for his family, Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman and Warner Brothers executives, Kubrick suffered a sudden myocardial infarction in his sleep. What makes his untimely and sudden death suspicious is the nature of the very verboten subject he covered. For those unfamiliar with the real crimes, personalities and the institutionalised power of satanic groups, Eyes Wide Shut's depiction presented it in very real terms. I would imagine that in the circles of Hollywood this would not be something desired whatsoever, especially when Kubrick had full artistic control and final editing. To the powers that be, this would be yet another in the series of exposures into the realities of their operations.

Something to be mindful of is how relatively simple it is to induce a heart attack in a targeted person. There are a number of chemicals, some of them classified, which can be used to perform the deadly task of producing premature heart failure. (Ex?) Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky detailed in his book how a network team of Mossad agents once drugged a target and induced a heart attack by immersing him in freezing cold water while he was unconscious. Depending on limitations of time, resource constraints and credible backstory engineering, assassinations of this type are not only technically possible, but have been historically implemented as expedient methods of untraceable murder.

Viewed in the abstract the suggestion of Stanley Kubrick's possible murder seems incredible at first glance. However when placed in the context of the premature demise of many extraordinary and charismatic individuals it is perfectly plausible. For the extraordinary individual is a threat not for what they know, but their potential influence on the masses. A prime example of this would be John Lennon and Bob Marley.

http://suspiciousdeaths.blogspot.com/2010/09/stanley-kubrick.html

[terrafirma]

38. Was Kubrik making Eyes Wide Shut in secret?

If not, why did the powers that be wait until the film was practically completed to murder him??

[deconstruct911]

39. I thought the film was already released

Theoretically they wanted to kill him so it was 666 days before 01 and he did his film before that date.... So it's about 666 and his beloved stargate film and not a EWS, although fake death is more likely than PTB murder.

I'd say it all depends on how much you think he knew. Fortunately for Stan it seems like people want to give him the bennefit of the doubt and say he was the good guy.

[spooked911]

30. BTW, sorry for the typo in the post title-- obviously should be:

Stanley Kubrick, "The Shining", and the Apollo Missions

[deconstruct911]

35. What about the 911 footage

and 2001 a space odyssey since this is the 911 forum. Similar concept to the shining and apollo 11?

Presumably faking one apollo puts them all on the table inclduing space travel? Why just fake 11 and all the rest are real? If Kubrick knew this wouldn't he know the true agenda? Did he really die 666 days before 2001 or another clue?

[spooked911]

43. I don't know except that he only made two other films

"Full Metal Jacket" and "Eyes Wide Shut".

"Full Metal Jacket" was about the nastiness of the US war in Vietnam and the military.

"Eyes Wide Shut" was a bizarre film about secret societies that I need to look into more.

Suffice it to say, I think Kubrick was involved in the initial Apollo 11 fakery, but maybe not for the subsequent Apollo fakery, and he was quite haunted by the experience.

[deconstruct911]

45. There is also dr strangelove ...

You might want to check out.

You might also want to check out Jake Kotze work which some videos includes Kubirck's movies. I would say 2001 space odyssey has more obvious connections to 9/11 than any of his other work with other events, but I'll let you guys decide for yourself.

[spooked911]

47. I've seen Dr Strangeglove a few times-- a classic

though I'd love to watch it again.

There is a lot of conspiracy-related material in Kubrick's films.

[defendandprotect]

48. When we consider the novels/films circulating at the time JFK was president it's amazing ...!!

Manchurian Candidate and what's the other one I saw this week --

7 Days in May?

What's really interesting about the latter film is that as the president/Frederick March

recites the list of "loonies" in America he mentions among them "Walker" -- which refers

to General Edwin Walker -- who Oswald allegedly took at shot at.


Walker was fired by JFK for distributing RW/Nazi literature in the military ---

a long time aim of the RW to infiltrate the military/soldiers with their propaganda --

and from what I read from time to time they've rather succeeded!

Walker also LED THE RACIST RIOT AT OLE MISS!!! He was arrested there and the Judge recommended

psychiatric treatment.

Connections, of course, between the known conspirators and Walker --

Probably should look up his death --


But also want to add that "7 Days in May" via president/March dialogue takes the RW off the

hook for the insanity of the times it deals with -- i.e., a coup on the president to prevent

a peace treaty! The president/March blames these times on the atomic bomb!!


Unfortunately, the RW adores the atomic bomb -- and it has little to do with their own

aggressions and violence -- little to do with their innate desire to have control over the

population and our people's government.

[truedelphi]

51. Great post, DefendandProtect.

Did Dr Strangelove pop up during the Kennedy administration, or later? Anyway, your comments brought to mind a good many scenes from the movies you mentioned.

[jberryhill]

49. "Fluoride... In children's drinking water, Mandrake"

[jberryhill]

50. Great Stuff, Spooked

Don't let the pikers slow you down. You always come up with the winners.