Kubrick's Oddyssey

[spooked911]

Good interview with Jay Weidner here, with some very interesting details on how Kubrick got involved with NASA and faking the moon footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjbDx5CvQ38
(part 2 of 5)
He's talking about Richard Hoagland at the beginning.

[zappaman]

1. WOW!

You convinced me!
Looking forward to the evidence we are under quarantine by an alien race soon!

[frogmarch]

2. Tell it to Buzz Aldrin

I can't believe that there are really people who believe the moon landing footages were faked! I can't effin' believe it.

Here's an article with a video that shows the Mythbusters dispelling the hoax myths, and also a clip of Aldrin clocking some asshat who called him a liar for claiming to have set foot on the moon.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/20/buzz-aldrin-punches-moon_n_241664.html

[zappaman]

3. more links

http://www.badastronomy.com
http://www.clavius.org /
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/moonhoax2.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/07/16/moonst...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_th...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5833633/Apollo...
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked /
http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com /
http://radicalfilms.co.uk/2008/01/26/sky-at-night-moon-... /
http://unmsia.com/debunking-the-moon-hoax-comic-style /
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moon_landing_hoax
http://www.ksbw.com/technology/20031195/detail.html
http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/mythbusters-d... /
http://www.moonhoaxdebunked.com /
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Apollo11MoonLanding/st...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/jul/02/apollo-11...

[frogmarch]

5. Thanks.

I just finished the article at debunking-a-moron blogspot. Now on to the rest! :thumbsup:

I happened to be in a little country store in Kinnear, WY, when the first astronauts landed on the moon. There was the footage, on a little TV. My kids and I stood and watched it, and to the store owner, a little old lady (who was either a Seventh Day Adventist or a Jehovah's Witness - I can't remember which) I said: "Isn't science amazing? We are watching an important historical event taking place! The first arrival of humans on the moon!" She replied, "It's a hoax. You won't be convincing me that it's not Hollywood."

I'm appalled there are still people around today who deny the moon landings ever happened. Appalled.

[zappaman]

6. it must be a mental illness, right?

to believe in something so demonstratively false?
moon loons are even wackier than birthers!

[OnTheOtherHand]

7. I really don't think so

Human beings haven't evolved to be rationalists. We're capable of rationality, but believing things that aren't so isn't inherently a sign of mental illness -- depending on the things, I suppose. For most purposes, believing that the moon landings were faked is harmlessly irrelevant; it doesn't directly imply either insanity or sanity.

[frogmarch]

8. It could be. I don’t

understand what makes some people smell conspiracy everywhere.

Bart Sibrel is the name of the guy Buzz Aldrin punched.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Sibrel

snips:

In the 2001 documentary, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, Sibrel made several claims that he believed show that the Apollo Moon Landings were faked.

...

Bart Sibrel also participated in the controversial Fox Television Network special, Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? In it, Sibrel stated that, "I'd bet my life that we never went to the Moon."

Jim McDade, writing in the Birmingham News, characterized A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon as "full of falsehoods, innuendo, strident accusations, half-truths, flawed logic and premature conclusions." According to McDade, the "only thing new and weird" in the 47-minute film is that the claim that video views of Earth were actually filmed through a small hole to give the impression that Apollo 11 was not in low Earth orbit. "Bart has misinterpreted things that are immediately obvious to anyone who has extensively read Apollo history and documentation or anyone who has ever been inside an Apollo Command Module or accurate mockup," says McDade.

In July 2009, Sibrel, who also works as a Nashville cab driver, was charged with vandalism when he jumped up and down on the hood of a car owned by a woman with whom he was having a parking dispute. Court documents show he was arrested after the driver refused to pull out of a parking space he wanted. The arresting officer wrote, "A few moments later, the parking space in front of the victim opened up and drove into it and parked." Sibrel "then walked up to the victim's car and jumped onto the hood, and then jumped up and down several times." The report says he caused about $1,400 worth of damage, after which Sibrel pleaded guilty to vandalism and was placed on probation.

~~~~

Bart Sibrel is a real piece of work. :eyes:

[zappaman]

9. I think if you believe every single conspiracy you find on the internet

even when the evidence is shown to you that your beliefs are untrue, then mental illness is a big possibility

[frogmarch]

10. Yes, I think so too. n/t

[spooked911]

11. here's the thing you're missing--

conspiracy info is deeply fascinating material, that is an enlightening alternative explanation for how the world works. In many cases, the conspiracy explanation explains things better than the official story. And ultimately, the deep conspiracy explanation can explain politics better than anything else. You don't have to believe it, but for god's sake, don't pooh-pooh everything like this. You're missing way too much important information.

Some really deep conspiracy issues-- pedophilia and secret societies and politics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n-6yi_QPnk&feature=youtu.be

[zappaman]

12. here's the thing you're missing

if you view it as entertainment, fine.
if you really think we didn't go to the moon, you need help.

[spooked911]

14. I would say the odds we didn't go to the moon are at least 10-1

the official story is just too improbable.

[zappaman]

15. "the official story is just too improbable."

If you don't understand science, I can see how "the official story" might look "improbable."
but the loony story you link to is somehow LESS improbable???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[defendandprotect]

24. I'd also say they're very high odds for a hoax .... but I think they'll be a cover story ....

which will protect the astronauts as "heroes" -- !!! :evilgrin:

Should the truth ever come out --

Let's see they've pretty much destroyed all the videos and all the other records!

But a lack of any evidence to prove it ever happened evidently doesn't concern anyone,

especially that the government itself destroyed it's own records/proof!!


:evilgrin:

What's the old saying -- truth is stranger than fiction!!

[defendandprotect]

23. Plus ... so many of the conspiracies have been proven/revealed -- from Gulf of Tonkin lie ....

to Operation Mockingbird --

On and on -- On and on -- We all know the song! :evilgrin:




Interesting to see you're mentioning pedophilia -- Franklin case immediately comes

to mind but can't check your video tonight -- back tomorrow.

And certainly the Bush family and can't think of the name of the woman at this moment

who reveals sexual abuse of adult males in the military as a way to control them.

Nothing like the rise of the RW to make sexual perversions more visible!!

[jberryhill]

17. No, it's not a mental illness

If you think about the ability to perceive patterns, develop hypotheses, and act on resulting beliefs, that process was key to the advancement of humans in exploiting a suddenly increased - and it was sudden - brain capacity.

That pattern recognition ability works overtime. When we look at the random pattern of craters on the moon, we see a face. When we look at the angular distribution of stars of similar brightness, we see constellations. That's an important feature of what we do, of what we are.

What seems to happen is that this ability to "see" connections and patterns has gone pathological. IMHO I think it is of organic, and not psychological origin. .

I don't think it would respond to therapy, even if there was a perception that something was wrong or a desire to change it. It might respond to medication, but again, that wouldn't be taken voluntarily.

The important thing is to control its incidence in the population discreetly. For example, by introducing therapeutic substances into the water, the food supply, or perhaps by aerosol dispersion, to keep the target population in equilibrium, while minimizing side effects in the non-target population. It's just a matter of epidemiology.

[defendandprotect]

22. You'd have a great point there .... if there weren't so many proven conspiracies ....

within this national security state -- MIC/CIA -- !!

From Operation Northwoods, to Operation Mockingbird -- from "Huston Plan" to

Gulf of Tonkin Resolution/Lies -- or the lies that led to an agressive attack

on Iraq ten years ago!

And that's only the tip of the iceberg -- !!

Denying any of them?

What kind of "star - gazing" pattern was IKE looking at when he recognized the

conspiracy of the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex?

And, btw, he intended to include "intelligence" in his comments, but after

inserting "intelligence" into the draft, it was removed. IKE inserted it again

and it was removed again!

[greyl]

30. Brace yourself for the following reply:

Your post is absolutely batshit insane.

[defendandprotect]

32. Brace yourself: Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened -- Operation Northwoods did happen -- !!

[defendandprotect]

21. Think you'll have to get over it cause something like 33% don't believe it -- !!

I don't think they're "still" here, I think they've woken up as we've gone along.

The first inclination I had that something was wrong was that it was so boring --

Cronkite was almost going to sleep!!

People were screaming to get "I Love Lucy!" back -- !! :evilgrin:

And what we got for it was Tang and some stupid rocks that have also disappeared --


:rofl:

[defendandprotect]

20. Come on ... imagine how frightened Buzz Aldrin must be if he participated in this ???

Octafish put up a very interesting website the other day which has a lot on

the MoonWagging -- * LINK

And because Aldrin punched some idiot you think that means the moon landing happened?

Take a serious look at the LEM!! My heavens, if anything exposes this lie it is the LEM!


I'd also note a very interesting statement by LBJ which goes back to the 1950's ....

wherein he's making clear that the moon is "the highest hill" -- would be very important

and they are even then turning their attention to "militarization of the skies" --

Also see PNAC on that subject !!

Can't watch your video tonight -- but next time give a few details.


Some evidently think that the astronauts who participated in the hoax will reveal the truth --

but I'd guess only if there is a great cover story. And there's a video knocking around of

a few notables from government at the time pretty much acknowledging that this hoax happened.

They probably worked out the cover story while they were working out the details of the hoax!


Astronauts would only come clean if they had government backup -- they were "heroes" who

did what we asked!! :evilgrin:


Meanwhile, for a "hero" they stay well out of the limelight!


Additionally, I think those looking at this thing and the costs of it -- quite a bundle --

are correct in guessing that the money was switched to "militarization of the skies."


And I'd also remind you that everything that NASA had as alleged "evidence" was destroyed --

ALL the videos -- all the records!!

What you have left is merely . . . "because I said so!" --



:rofl:


http://davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

[OnTheOtherHand]

4. I discovered a moment of truth, more or less

About 4 minutes in:

People could(?) argue with me about whether Stanley Kubrick did it. That's true. They could(?) argue -- and I cannot actually give you a smoking gun, outside of The Shining, that proves that he did it.

If The Shining is his best try at a "smoking gun," I guess he doesn't have much of a case. Imagine that.

[spooked911]

13. part 5 has more info

http://www.youtube.com/user/VeritasShow#p/c/320815E3A0FC38B1/4/oAf2RZ4JWIQ

[zappaman]

16. wow

what a load of shit.
although, listening to this broadcast is pretty funny...especially when they get the old man on who breathes heavy.
MOON LOONS are just out there.
but thank you for the laughs Spooked.
keep 'em coming!

[defendandprotect]

25. Thanks -- will follow tomorrow --

[defendandprotect]

35. dupe

[defendandprotect]

36. Watched Part 5 and more --

But reflecting back -- and hearing again in Part 5 -- that Stanley is "losing it"

and that it is effecting his relationship and his sanity . . .

Again, could he have not guessed that betraying democracy for the benefit of

MIC/fascists would harm him emotionally and in many other ways? Did he not

recognize the immorality of it all? What did he actually gain?

Keep wondering if, perhaps, if he was forced into doing this?


Wonder that as Stephen King watched his "plot" being so completely changed that he

didn't decode what was going on? Maybe King doesn't have a mind for mystery? :evilgrin:


Watched Clockwork Orange partially a long time again -- remember little of it!! hmmm....

the fact that it was about Mind Control seems, as Weidener points out, to link to

MKULTRA which few knew about at that time. Again, linking to assassinations -- RFK.

As Mitchell goes blank -- Weidener suggests that he is mind-controlled and that the

interviewer had "hit into it" -- which is why these people can't any longer be

interviewed. Impossible to be spontaneous. Weidner also recites his experience of

meeting the psychiatrist who debriefed all the astronauts and who "can't remember a

thing about it!"


Weidener also relates that Gordon cooper tried to work with a de-programmer because

he wanted to know "what happened to him on the moon" -- !!!

Perhaps they hypnotized them to make them think they were on the moon?

At any rate, trying to recapture those memories -- if any -- didn't work.


----- Just also noticed how many interesting shows VERITAS has done so I will definitely be

trying to watch more of them! -----



Weidener also makes clear that Kubrick is warning of PEDOPHILIA -- and that

A. C. Clarke whom he worked with on Dr. Strangelove actually advocated ....

"THAT THEY LEGALIZE PEDOPHILIA" -- !! According to London Times where Clarke

made these comments!

Seems Prince Charles was on his way to knight AC Clarke when that news got out

and the Knighting was delayed a year!

Reminders by Weidener of gay prostitute Gannon and Bush -- evidently Gannon has

disappeared?

Nixon having women rounded up and pushed on him -- no sex!


And tells the interesting story re Mafia in 1950's -- where the Don decides they should

abandon murder and crime and go into the 16MM camera game -- filming sex capades of

notables!

Weidener doesn't question it -- but was Kubrick entrapped this way?


Evidently Kristina did catch on that something was going on that truly was destroying

Kubrick's sanity -- and Weidener guesses that she did find something - and that Kubrick

"broke down and told her the truth."


Any number of the investigators into our conspiracies long ago hit into the secret societies --

Weidener relates ancient connections to stealing a young boy's "CHI" --

Saturn "chewing up little children"

Secret Societies involved in pedophila -- child sacrifice -- the Franklin Scandal --

where everyone talking all died. Kidnapping of young boys "to steal their CHI - sex magic"

And the inexplicable failure of officials to act in the Franklin case, Weidener explains by

suggesting most involved were part of a cult -- politicians, judges, DA.

Btw, we've also had that suggestion from a British series shown on PBS some years ago --

Think it was a boy's shelter -- and many police, politicians involved in it.

Fiction, of course -- but so was "The Shining" -- !!

[emcguffie]

18. I haven't paid attention to this story in a long time. But --

-- I thought the story had evolved into saying that yes, there was faked footage, but it was to cover their butts in case something went wrong, and that we did indeed go to the moon. Or something like that. But that yes, some fake moon footage was indeed shot.

So am I completely off base here?

[defendandprotect]

26. No there is video on that -- with notables appearing in it -- was Kissinger one?

Certainly on UTube and think got circulated with part of the Kubrick story?

Will have to try to find it tomorrow --

Think it's the cover story angle -- we had to do it -- but the astronauts were

"hereos" for playing their part and keeping the secret so long -- :evilgrin:

Someone here will know -- if it's in my records, it may be at YouTube?

I'll check tomorrow --

[William Seger]

28. LMAO, not that "crockumentary" again

Having half the board on ignore means that you may well be the only one left around here who doesn't know that video was intentionally made to show how gullible some people are. As if we needed more proof...

[William Seger]

27. Yes, you are "completely off base here"

The story has only "evolved" among the deniers.

[defendandprotect]

37. Here's the VIDEO --- the cover story -- and what "heroes" our betrayers were -- !!! ROFL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bud6MscVnp8&feature=related


Think this particular video starts a bit late --

Think there's more than one video?

However, also note that you have to make up your own mind about

whether they ever said anything about the "moon" or whether this

is a "mockumentary" --


But I think it comes close to what the cover story on the moon

hoax will be if it's ever dumped on it in reality!


:evilgrin:

[defendandprotect]

19. Thank you -- interesting -- but can't watch til tomorrow --

[greyl]

31. Consumption of corporate media crap. You go ahead with that. nt

[defendandprotect]

33. Moon Hoax and 9/11 couldn't have been pulled off without complicity of MSM.....

Neither could the many computer voting scams -- 2000, for instance.

Perhaps those who speak out against it should be barred from using video?


:rofl:

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[defendandprotect]

34. A few questions after watching Part 2 ---

What Weidener seems to be saying that Kubrick go in return was anything he wanted

from the studios -- after many desperate years.

And I probably agree with that observation --

However, Kubrick -- other than "The Shining" which we presume is his confession --

seems to have made few films afterwards of any note.


Basically, it looks like he sold his soul to the devil -- and endless up with a

worthless prize!


Weidener also makes some interesting comments about Kubrick's wife's family being

"connected to the uglier sides of history" -- however, wasn't it Kubrick's wife who

helped make known his role in the Moon Hoax?

Is she part of the new cover up story -- "we had to do it otherwise the USSR would

have overcome us and defeated democracy" -- ????


Also wanted to ask you about "VERITAS" and how often you listen to their programming?


Was there anything interesting in Part III?