Question about the 9/11 Commission?

[sabra]

The commission states, that UBL was continuously putting pressure to attack, in the summer prior to 9/11/01. However the date kept being pushed back, for various reasons. The report is essentially proclaiming that the attack could of been on 7/22 or 8/11, etc...

While in my mind, if the attack would have happened a month earlier, it wouldn't diminish for the horrific event. However, the association with the numbers, 911, has great significance.

I guess my question is, does it truly make sense, that the attack date of 9/11, was not the initial scheduled attack date? Could you imagine people referring to this event as 7/22?

I don't know, the whole date thing in the report, doesn't seem right...

[Blackthorn]

1. Killtown makes mention of this...

...citing several significant events in the past also occuring on September the 11th.

-September 11, 1941 - Construction on the Pentagon begins.
-September 11, 1973 - Chilean armed forces headed by General Augusto Pinochet and allegedly backed by the U.S. CIA take control of the country in a coup d'etat against President Salvador Allende.
-September 11, 1990 - President George H. W. Bush twice references the phrase "new world order" in an address before congress about the Persian Gulf crisis and the federal budget deficit.
-September 11, 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends 'The Starr Report' to the US Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible impeachable offenses.

Might be just coincedence. However, if 9/11 has some Masonic-type connections, then specific dates could be judged more significant than others. 9/11 seems to pop up more often than any other. The commission has a valid argument, but I don't think it's the right one in this case. The date of Poppy's quote is too coicendental for me.

[Wilms]

34. Here's more.

Some selected highlights from this link:

<http://www.scopesys.com/cgi/today2.cgi>

Birthdates which occurred on your SELECTED date of September 11:
1835 Brig Gen William Wirt Allen 1st Alabama Cavalry
1917 Ferdinand Marcos Philippines Pres (1965-86)

Deaths which occurred on September 11:
1948 Quaid-i-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah dies
1971 Nikita Khrushchev dies of a heart attack at 77
1988 Peter Tosh reggae singer shot dead at 43 in Jamacia

On this day...
1609 Henry Hudson discovers Manhattan island
1773 Benjamin Franklin writes "There never was a good war or bad peace."
1777 Battle of Brandywine, Pa; Americans lose to British
1814 Battle of Lake Champlain, NY; Americans defeat British
1889 Start of the Sherlock Holmes adventure "The Crooked Man" (BG)
1919 US marines invade Honduras
1922 British mandate of Palestine begins
1923 The ZR-1 (biggest active dirigible) flies over NY's tallest skyscraper, the Woolworth Tower
1941 Charles Lindbergh, charges "the British, the Jewish & the Roosevelt administration" are trying to get the US into WW II
1941 FDR orders any Axis ship found in American waters be shot on sight
1965 Beatles' "Help!," album goes #1 & stays #1 for 9 weeks
1973 Chile's President, Salvador Allende, deposed in a military coup
1986 Dow Jones Industrial Avg suffered biggest 1-day decline ever, plummeting 86.61 points to 1,792.89. 237.57 million shares traded
1989 Drexel formally pleads guilty to security fraud
1989 KSO-AM in Des Moines Iowa changes call letters to KGGO
1991 14 die in a Continental Express commuter plane crash near Houston
2001 The worst terrorist attack on American soil - 2819+ die as a result of hijacked airplane attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Western Pennsylvania

Holidays
Pakistan : Jinnah Day (1948)
Tunisia : Evening of Destiny
Afghanistan : National Assembly Foundation Day (1964)

Religious Observances
Orth : Comm of the Beheading of St John the Baptist (8/29 OS)
RC : Commemoration of SS Protus & Hyacinth, martyrs

Religious History
1857 Mormon fanatic John D. Lee, angered over President Buchanan's order to remove Brigham Young from governorship of the Utah Territory, incited a band of Mormons and Indians to massacre a California-bound wagon train of 135 (mostly Methodists) in Mountain Meadows, Utah.

And this one I recall stunning me soon after "9/11" happened...

1962 American Trappist monk Thomas Merton wrote in a letter: 'We have not tasted the things given to us in Christ. Instead, we have built around ourselves walls and cells, and buried ourselves in dust and documents, and now we wonder why we cannot see God, or leap to do his will.'

[LARED]

2. The association with the numbers, 911, has great significance.

Significant in what way?

[sabra]

3. Well at a basic level it is synonymous

with "emergency"...

[LARED]

4. Well I agree it is symbolic of 'emergency.'

But why do you feel that is significant? I don't see it.

Also why would the attackers feel there was significance? I find it hard to believe that because we use 911 was a universal way to contact emergency services they would plot around that association. Seems like way to much trouble.

[spooked911]

5. Because the attackers weren't arabs! The 9/11 number is just another sign

that the attacks were part of a US-led covert operation.

[LARED]

8. It's good to know you're on the case spooked

What exactly is it supposed to be a sign of?

[spooked911]

20. I said what it was a sign of-- in my post.

Do you think Arab hijackers would care about the date 9/11? Or do you think that was just an incredible coincidence on their part?

[The Magistrate]

21. What Is Incredible About The Coincidence, Sir?

A cousin of my childhood has that date for a birthday; ought the family to feel particularly persecuted...?

"Every dog has its day."

[sabra]

26. Every US citizen is taught to know the numbers 911, which

represents emergency... 311 represents a low level emergency...

[LARED]

31. Let me clarify my question

Why is the date of 9/11 an indication that the attacks were part of an US-led covert operation.

[sabra]

6. So you feel that 9/11 to the attackers was just a date?

[LARED]

7. Well, as far as I know

911 is symbolic of nothing in the Arab world. And it seems quite the stretch to believe that this attack HAD to be done on 9/11 because it is associated with an emergency call number in our phone system.

Would the impact on America, under whatever measure you choose, have be different if it took plane on 8/24?

Of course it is possible that the attackers thought the date was significant, but I don't see it.

[sabra]

9. I guess it's just a coincidence?

BTW, according to the report, the attackers were educated in the Western ways, and obviously spent time in Europe, and here in the US (flight schools). I think they were quite familiar with what 911 is correlated to.

In addition, is 3/11 in Madrid also another coincidence?

My concern with the report is, that they are eluding more in your perception that 9/11 was just a date.... I don't agree.

[WoodrowFan]

10. it's just a coincidence

they would be far more likely to chose a day based on the Islamic calender than pick some day based on a US telephone number. You can see that in their messages in Iraq and elsewhere, it based on events in Islamic History not on what the West holds significant.

[sabra]

11. How about 3/11?

[WoodrowFan]

12. what about it?

what about it? EVERY day is the anniversary of SOMETHING. If it were meant to be significant I suspect the bom,bers would have issued a statement. For example, Tim McVeigh picked April 19th for specific reasons, then let people know why he picked that date.


My next door neighbor's license plate is XYZ-723. There are something like 6 million plus sets of license plates issues in Virginia. What are the odds that XYZ-723 would be next door to me!!!

[sabra]

15. I am not talking about anniversaries

nor am I going the route of how if you add the numbers 9+1+1, you get the flight number..etc..

What I am stating is that it's a pretty big coincidence, in my opinion that the date is 9/11. With it's correlation to 'emergency', and just how anytime you may need to dial 911 you are reminded of that event.

In my opinion, these horrific events, occurring on 9/11 and 3/11, is more than just a coincidence...

[MercutioATC]

38. 311 is a relatively new creation.

It was approved for nationwide use in 1997 and was designed to lessen the load on 911 operators. Many municipalities still don't use it.

What's your point?

[sabra]

48. Do you think the date of 9/11 was supposed to have

any significance or correlation to 911 (emergency) ?

[MercutioATC]

58. No, I don't.

Significant events in history can be found on any given date. I don't believe 9/11 was selected for any particular reason...certainly not because it's an emergency telephone number.

[Blackthorn]

13. ....

I think the connection between 9/11 the date and 911 the number is a little simple. Why not schedule the beginning of the New World Order 11 years to the day (11 again?) Poppy Bush first announced it? I would not be suprised if there is some significance to it, be it cosmic or whatever, but I don't think we'll stumble upon it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. Also, remember Chile and 9/11........... n/t

[The Magistrate]

18. Pick A Date, Ma'am, Any Date

You wil be able to find in history a vast number of signifigant occurances that occured on it, some tragic, some joyful. Nothing can be read into such unavoidable overlaps....

"Someday, my son, a man will come up tpo you with a sealed deck of cards and offer to bet you he can make the Jack of Diamonds jump up out of it and squirt cider in your ear. Do not take that bet, for as sure as you do, you will get an earful of cider."

[AZCat]

27. John Allen Paulos had an essay on this...

in his book "A Mathematician Reads the Newspaper".

My copy is out on loan right now so I can't quote directly from the source but his point was that given two events (or people - he was using presidents as his example) there are a lot of coincidences that occur just because of the quantity of information associated with said events. I'll see if I can dig up a link to something related.

It was a good read and I recommend it to anyone looking for mathematical essays that aren't too difficult to understand.

[LARED]

19. I understand you think it's more than just a date, but

I don't understand why you believe that.

[sabra]

22. Because both 911 and 311 represent 'emergency'

That's why those dates were selected. I don't believe the whole numbers thing like NY being the 11th state in the Union....

But I don't believe either that they were going to attack earlier in the summer of 2001. In my opinion, they used it for it's US representation of Emergency.

[The Magistrate]

24. Does Three-Eleven, Sir, Signify Anything In Spain?

"Enquiring minds want to know."

[sabra]

25. Depends if one connects the 3/11 attack to the 9/11 attack

if you do. Then the US understands what 311 represents.

[The Magistrate]

29. You Will Have To Be More Clear, Sir

Do you feel there is, or is not, a connection between the attack on the U.S. and the attack on Spain?

[MercutioATC]

39. 311 doesn't mean anything to a lot of people.

It didn't mean anything to me until about 2 weeks ago when I saw an article on it.

[WoodrowFan]

51. I'd never heard it before

I've never heard of 311 before. 911 of course, and *77, but not 311.

[AZCat]

52. The only 311 I knew of before reading this thread...

was the band by the same name.


I think we can dismiss any connection between them and the Madrid bombing, right?

[sabra]

53. My main point was, that I believe that 9/11 was always the intended date

what is your opinion?

[AZCat]

55. I don't think there was any significance to the date

But that is just my opinion. I recognize that I might be wrong.

Perhaps when OBL will answer this, if the Bush Administration ever catches up with him.

[sabra]

23. A few more questions...

do you think the 9/11 commision represents the complete story? In addition, do you find yourself in either the LIHOP or MIHOP groups?

[LARED]

28. I think the 9/11 commission investigation is not ever

going to answer all the questions. I don't think it represents the complete story because I don't think that was their intention.

As usual the main goal of any congressional investigation is to spread the blame around enough so it can't be used against them in an election.


As for MIHOP or LIHOP. Nope, not me. While I do not like this administration it is incomprehensible to believe they would willing murder 3000 citizens. 9/11 occurred because America was woefully unprepared because we thought it could never happen here. We were acting fat, dumb and happy. An unfortunately we still are to a great deal

[The Magistrate]

30. Going A Little Further, Mr. Lared

No complex event is ever recoverable in its entirety by subsequent investigation, however well-intentioned or thorough the attempt. There are always loose ends and contradictions in a large mass of evidence, even before one begins to need to deal with deliberate distortions and speculations fabricated out of these oddiments.

[flyarm]

32. consider if you knew that jeb knew something was going to ...

happen and hense his brother knew something was going to happen..right around a certain date..and they did not give a warning to flight crew in this country ..which by law they were obligated to do...would that not make you find them in many ways responsible..like manslaughter..and suppose they knew approx when an attack was going to take place and say jeb set up a circumstance that he could declare say marshall law because he knew something very bad was going to occur..and he and his brother george did not even tell the secretary of transportation..of which they were also obligated
to do by ..law...

well read this..you may rethink your postion!!



i really want this answered ..as my co-workers were killed on 9/11 and i believe with my knowledge and my heart that the bushes were in on 9/11!!

from a 33 yr american airlines flight attendant ny based ..2001 ny AA flight attendant of the year

just retired!



from the florida state web site!

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html



This is the order jeb signed on 9-07


why would jeb sign an order to prepare for marshall law 4 days before 9/11 if he had no clue what was comming????

please answer that for me will you!!


EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
01-261

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution, and by Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, and all other applicable laws, do hereby promulgate the following Executive Order, to take immediate effect:

Section 3.

The Florida National Guard may order selected members on to state active duty for service to the State of Florida pursuant to Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections. Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to protect life and property from such acts of terrorism, and inhibiting the smuggling of illegal drugs into the State of Florida, the use of the Florida National Guard to support FDLE in accomplishing port security training and inspections is "extraordinary support to law enforcement" as used in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes.



Section 6.

This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 7th day of September 2001.

( check out the date here!!!!!)

[The Magistrate]

33. What Do You Think This Proves, Ma'am?

Under existing provisions of the state's constitution and law, the fellow delegated authority to the Adjutant of the organization to summon National Guard members to active duty "for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations." That is a damned sight short of martial law, which is the suspension of of civil routines granting direct authority over all aspects of order to a military commander and his troops, and seems to me to be nothing beyond ordinary bureaucratic paper-shufflings.

"The greatest of follies is passionate belief in the palpably untrue. It is the chief occupation of mankind."

[flyarm]

41. if you did any research on what really happened you would

know ..this was a document and an executive order to be able to begin marshall law.. to prepare the state and national guard for marshall law...

on sept 11th..before any state anywhere in the country..jeb put this into effect four days after signing the executive order to prepare the national guard for marshall law..he actually then put it into effect!!

please tell me...when fla was not attacked..why was jeb so prepared when new york was not, nor was pa. nor was washington nor was mass. nor n.j.


tell me how fla was involved?? and why was fla first put under basically marshall law..when none of the states involved were prepared for marshall law nor did they ever go under executive order to suspend peoples rights??

2 planes left boston mass...no executive order signed there not on 9/11, nor was it prepared ahead of 9/11, no executive order was signed to prepare for suspending citizens rights


1 plane left n.j. and no executive order was signed there not on 9/11 nor was it prepared prior to 9/11 , no executive order was signed to prepare for suspending citizens rights


one plane left bwi and no executive order was signed there nor on 9/11 nor was it prepared prior to 9/11, no executive order was signed to prepare for suspending citizens rights

ny was struck by 2 planes..no executive order was signed on 9/11, nor prior to 9/11, no executive order was signed to prepare for suspending citizens rights

pennsylvania was struck by a plane no executive order was signed on 9/11 ,nor prior to 9/11 ,no executive order was signed to prepare for suspending citizens rights


jeb not only signed this on sept 7th to prepare the national guard for marshall law..

but he signed it into law the morning of 9/11 !!

pretty convienient wouldn't you say ..when no where that was involved in the attack was prepared like ole jeb was??

not only prepared but the docs were ready for his signature right after the attacks!!!

p.s...no other state in the union signed anything like this ..not prior to 9/11 nor the day of 9/11 nor the subsequent days following!



p.s. i was in the air that morning..and it may not bother you..but it certainly bothers me that jeb was signing these documents while i was still in the freaking air and preparing for an emergency landing!!after taking off out of newark airport ahead of ual93!

and he had no warning???..

well i will tell you what..i was a crew and this administration never gave one warning of the many multitudes of warnings they were sitting on and it was mandatory that they give us a warning when they had warnings themselves!!

this admin never even passed the warnings they had on to the secretary of transportation!

[LARED]

35. You have an odd definition of martial law

The Florida National Guard may order selected members on to state active duty for service to the State of Florida pursuant to Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections.

In what manner is Jeb declaring martial law?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

36. Here's an interesting thread started by Will Pitt at DU on 9/24/01

Not only did Jeb place that Executive order, read on:

On the morning of Tuesday, September 11, Pres. "G.W." Bush was in a Sarasota, Florida classroom reading a story about a pet goat when his Chief of Staff whispered in his ear about the WTC "terrorism". Rather than attend to this national disaster, "G.W." continues to read the goat story to these second grade children and then, 30 minutes later, makes a brief statement to the press. More about this odd behavior can be read at The Obscure Goat Story.

Governor "Jeb" then signed Florida Executive Order No. 01-262 immediately after the second WTC tower fell. Florida was the first STATE to declare a "State of Emergency" and did so before New York State or the Federal Washington City leaders did, yet there were no "terroristic" incidents that had taken place. Florida EO 01-262 states, in part :

"I hereby declare that a state of emergency exists in the State of Florida... The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity... The authority to seize and utilize any and all real or personal property as needed to meet this emergency... The authority to order the evacuation of any or all persons from any location in the State of Florida, and the authority to regulate the movement of any or all persons to or from any location in the State; The authority to regulate the return of the evacuees to their home communities... I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency."

There is no declared expiration of this Florida Executive Order. In case you haven't figured it out yet, Florida is now under martial law and will remain so until this EO is revoked. We tried to warn the people of Florida about this in 1998 when our State Constitution was changed in order to allow this to take place .

If you plan on vacationing in Florida State, remember that you have entered a Martial Law State under the control of the Washington City "brothers" and federal troops. This looks and smells far too much like 1865.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=list_threads&om=4971&forum=DCForumID5

[sabra]

37. Wow, thanks for posting that one...

I had not seen that before, and it kind of freaks me out!

[gbwarming]

40. "The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule"

This looks like boilerplate language also used for hurricanes and other state of emergency proclaimations. None of the other state of emergency EO's that I saw had expiration dates either.

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2000/september/eo2000-289-9-21-00.html
http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-262-09-11-01.html
http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/august/eo2001-207-08-06-01.html
http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-268-09-14-01.html

You can search for other executive orders here. I used the term "state of emergency"
http://www.myflorida.com/myflorida/government/laws/execOrdersDisplaySearch.html


Edit:
Perhaps these orders expire automatically. Here are two orders specifically extending the 9/11 EO 01-262.

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/november/eo2001-334-11-08-01.html
WHEREAS, unless extended, Executive Order 01-262 expires on November 10, 2001.

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2002/january/eo2002-01-01-16-02.html
WHEREAS, unless extended Executive Order 01-262, as extended by Executive Order 01-334, expires on January 10, 2001.

This is the last reference I found
http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2002/may/eo2002-138-05-07-02.html
Extended (in part) to june 6, 2002

Conclusions:

1. Executive orders in Florida expire in 60 days automatically. They can be renewed by another executive order.
2. The language used in the 9/11 EO 01-262 is typical for state of emergency declarations.

[flyarm]

42. yes they tried to keep it quiet..most in fla didnt know about it

snip:

Florida under martial law?
Rumors persist despite official denial from Jeb Bush administration

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Sarah Foster
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com



WHO KNEW? Jeb Bush signed Florida TWO YEAR emergency order 4 days BEFORE ATTACK
Those words, as frightening as they are shocking, headlined one of several Internet articles that appeared in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks upon the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Published Sept. 24 on PsyOpNews, the article unequivocally proclaimed:

"Seems like everybody and his uncle knew about this attack in advance. Inside traders and governments and even good ol' Jeb Bush. He took over Florida four days before the attack. Bye, bye Florida. Hello, General Jeb." Then challenged, "Now, how many states does that leave us in the Union?"

In a similar vein, Jeff Rense on Sept. 23 ran a piece on his website, www.rense.com, headed "Jeb Declared Martial Law In FL On 9-7." Two days earlier, at Lawgiver.org readers were provided with details about "Martial Law in Florida."

"In case you haven't figured it out, Florida is under martial law and will remain so until this EO (executive order) is revoked," the author stated bluntly.


read full article here:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25051

[gbwarming]

43. Pure BS. State of Emergency Executive Orders expire after 60 days.

According to the FL civil Code

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=CH0252/SEC36.HTM
252.36 Emergency management powers of the Governor.--

...
(2) A state of emergency shall be declared by executive order or proclamation of the Governor if she or he finds an emergency has occurred or that the occurrence or the threat thereof is imminent. The state of emergency shall continue until the Governor finds that the threat or danger has been dealt with to the extent that the emergency conditions no longer exist and she or he terminates the state of emergency by executive order or proclamation, but no state of emergency may continue for longer than 60 days unless renewed by the Governor. The Legislature by concurrent resolution may terminate a state of emergency at any time. Thereupon, the Governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation ending the state of emergency. All executive orders or proclamations issued under this section shall indicate the nature of the emergency, the area or areas threatened, and the conditions which have brought the emergency about or which make possible its termination. An executive order or proclamation shall be promptly disseminated by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public; and, unless the circumstances attendant upon the emergency prevent or impede such filing, the order or proclamation shall be filed promptly with the Department of State and in the offices of the county commissioners in the counties to which the order or proclamation applies.

[flyarm]

45. i think you are missing the point

i dont care if it lasted 5 minutes...

what was the purpose of signing the first executive order to prepare the national guard 4 days prior to 9/11..what was the reasoning???

there was no..hurricane warnings..no fires in the state, no national emergency no state emergencies....so why did jeb sign the first executive order??

4 days prior to 9/11!!

[flyarm]

44. i am not concerned of the what for's..its the whys

there was no hurricane in fla 4 days prior to 9/11 and yet jeb signed an executive order to prepare the national guard...why????????????

there were no fires in florida 4 days prior to 9/11 and yet jeb had prepared and signed an executive order to prepare the national guard...why?????????


there was no national disaster in fla 4 days prior to 9/11 and yet jeb had prepared and signed and executive order to prepare the national guard......why???

that is the point...no other state had done that...


also ..on the morning of 9/11 after the second tower fell..jeb signed the executive order into law..did they rush to get those documents prepared ..or were they just ready??

no other state was that prepared..nor did what jeb did!

[gbwarming]

46. Did you even read the EO?

It modified eo01-17 of 1/19/2001. What it states is that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement _requested_ Florida Guard participation in port security training training exercises. That, as far as I can see, is the only substantive difference.

Florida issued a LOT of state-of-emergency declarations so it stand to reason that they would be pretty fast at it, but it was not the only state to issue declarations on 9/11. New York State also issued many on 9/11 including suspension of certain laws, activation of the state militia, etc (scroll down to 113)
http://www.gorr.state.ny.us/gorr/executive%20orders.htm

Edit: In case you had not seen the FL guard orders I've listed them here.
http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/january/eo2001-17-01-19-01.html
http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html

[The Magistrate]

47. You Know, Ma'am

If Florida were actually under martial law, there would be no doubt of it in anyone's mind, and no one could possibly title an article "Florida Under Martial Law" with a question mark, or have any need to speak of "rumors" martial law as in effect, let alone seek to create such rumors themselves. It is a very obvious state. For comparisons from history, you might want to stir yourself to look into martial law exercised in Maryland and Ohio during the Civil War, or in San Francisco after the famous turn of the century earthquake.

This is nothing but hyperventilation, generally cured by sitting quietly, head down, and breathing deeply into and out of a smallish paper bag.

"It ain't what you don't know, it's what you know that ain't so."

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

49. You know Sir, it appears as if you're missing the point.

It is not being questioned that Florida is still under law martial law. The conversation is about Florida being placed under martial law immediately after the first plane hit. As Flyarm stated very clearly, it appears as if the executive order of September 7th was in preparation for the executive order of September 11th. Did she ever once state that they were still under martial law?

[The Magistrate]

50. The Misunderstanding Is Yours, Ma'am

Martial law was never declared, and that is abundantly clear. The provision for declaration of martial law exists in all states, and the nation itself, at all times, and has throughout their existance as sovereign entities, though the precise regulations for the doing may be updated or restated from time to time in various jurisdictions.

"The greatest of follies is a passionate belief in the palpably untrue. It is the chief occupation of mankind."

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. Amazing how quickly Jeb whipped up this little document......

http://www.myflorida.com/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-262-09-11-01.html

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
01-262
(Emergency Management)

WHEREAS, on September 11, 2001 a combination of persons unknown carried out a series of terrorist acts resulting in the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City and an explosion at the Pentagon, costing the lives of many persons and resulting in injuries to many more; and

WHEREAS, the scale of the destruction and the coordination, orchestration, and timing evident in these acts of terrorism suggest that they may be part of a larger pattern of acts of terrorism; and

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution and by the Florida Emergency Management Act, as amended, and all other applicable laws, do hereby promulgate the following Executive Order, to take immediate effect:

Section 1.

Because of the foregoing conditions, I hereby declare that a state of emergency exists in the State of Florida. I further find that the precautions needed to protect the State from a recurrence of such terrorist acts require a coordination of efforts by a number of agencies, and that central authority over these activities will be needed to ensure such coordination.

Section 2.

I hereby delegate to the Department of Law Enforcement the operational authority to coordinate and direct the law enforcement resources and other resources of any and all state, regional and local governmental agencies that the Department may designate to take the precautions needed to protect the State of Florida from terrorist acts. I hereby place all law enforcement resources under the operational authority of the Department of Law Enforcement while this Executive Order remains in effect, and I hereby designate the Commissioner of the Department of Law Enforcement as Incident Commander for this emergency.

Section 3.

I hereby designate the Interim Director of the Division of Emergency Management as the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency, and as my Authorized Representative. In exercising the powers delegated by this Executive Order, the State Coordinating Officer shall lend all available operational support to the Commissioner of the Department of Law Enforcement, and shall confer with the Governor to the fullest extent practicable. In accordance with Sections 252.36(1)(a) and 252.36(5), Florida Statutes, I hereby delegate to the State Coordinating Officer the following powers, which he shall exercise as needed to meet this emergency:

The authority to activate the Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan;
The authority to invoke and administer the Statewide Mutual Aid Agreement, and the further authority to coordinate the allocation of resources under that Agreement so as best to meet this emergency;
The authority to invoke and administer the Emergency Management Assistance Compact and other Compacts and Agreements existing between the State of Florida and other States, and the further authority to coordinate the allocation of resources from such other States that are made available to the State of Florida under such Compacts and Agreements so as best to meet this emergency;
The authority to distribute any and all supplies stockpiled to meet the emergency;
The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity, to include, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, any and all statutes and rules which affect budgeting, printing, purchasing, leasing, procurement, and the conditions of employment and the compensation of employees; provided, however, that the State Coordinating Officer shall have authority to suspend the effect of any statute, rule or order only to the extent necessary to ensure the timely performance of vital emergency response functions;
The authority to relieve any and all state agencies responsible for processing applications or petitions for any order, rule, or other final action subject to the Administrative Procedure Act, as amended, from the deadlines specified in that Act and in other applicable laws for the duration of this emergency, if the State Coordinating Officer finds that such deadlines cannot be met because of this emergency;
The authority to direct all state, regional and local governmental agencies, including law enforcement agencies, to identify personnel needed from those agencies to assist in meeting the needs created by this emergency, and to place all such personnel under the direct command of the State Coordinating Officer to meet this emergency;
The authority to seize and utilize any and all real or personal property as needed to meet this emergency, subject always to the duty of the State to compensate the owner;
The authority to order the evacuation of any or all persons from any location in the State of Florida, and the authority to regulate the movement of any or all persons to or from any location in the State;
The authority to regulate the return of the evacuees to their home communities; and
The authority to designate such Deputy State Coordinating Officers as the State Coordinating Officer may deem necessary to cope with the emergency.

Section 4.

I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency, and I hereby place the National Guard under the direction of the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency.

Section 5.

In accordance with Sections 252.36(5)(a) and 252.46(2), Florida Statutes, all statutes, rules and orders are hereby suspended for the duration of this emergency to the extent that literal compliance with such statutes, rules, and orders may be inconsistent with the timely performance of emergency response functions.

Section 6.

I hereby give all agencies with employees certified by the American Red Cross as disaster service volunteers within the meaning of Section 110.120(3), Florida Statutes, the authority to release any such employees for such service as requested by the American Red Cross as needed to meet the emergency.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed, at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 11th day of September, 2001.

[flyarm]

56. thank you ommmm!!

my point exactly!!

as per your posting..

Section 4.

I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency, and I hereby place the National Guard under the direction of the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency.

[The Magistrate]

57. That Is Not Martial Law, Ma'am

Nor is it anything it would take a competent bureaucracy more than half an hour to prepare for signature....

"No bottom! No bottom with this line!"

[WoodrowFan]

14. interisting article

You may find this article on "forensic theology" interesting. You'll have to find the full text at a library unless you're a subscriber.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200411/grey

The Atlantic Monthly | November 2004

Intelligence

Follow the Mullahs

With theologians at the center of terrorist strategy, "forensic theology" is rapidly becoming a valuable intelligence tool

by Stephen Grey

.....

nside the Green Zone in Baghdad last winter I watched a coalition adviser study a 4,200-word communiqué purported to be from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian suspected of links to al-Qaeda, whose network has claimed responsibility for the recent spate of beheadings and is the United States' most wanted enemy in Iraq. The essence of the screed had already been broadcast by the media: the author promised to draw the Iraqi people "into the furnace of battle," in order that "a real war will break out, God willing." The analyst, however, had little interest in the political content of the communiqué. An Arabist and a scholar of Islam, he was scrutinizing the language and religious references in the text in an effort to determine whether it was in fact written by al-Zarqawi. Many commentators believed that it had been put together by others—perhaps an intelligence agency or the Iraqi National Congress—in order to give credence to U.S. accusations of foreign involvement in terrorist actions within Iraq.

The analyst, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, disagreed. "This definitely fits Zarqawi's profile," he told me. "He is a highly educated man. This is real scholarship." He pointed to references to Ibn Taymiyya (1268—1328), a Syrian religious leader who declared jihad on the Mongols—who had taken much of the Middle East from the Arabs—even though the Mongols were by then Muslims themselves. In doing so Taymiyya had invoked a philosophy used by militants today to justify attacks on fellow Muslims. "It's just the sort of person that I expect Zarqawi is reading," the analyst said. "Taymiyya was also perniciously anti-Shiite."

[The Magistrate]

16. That Was An Interesting Article, Sir

My son subscribes to that journal, and the copies eventually stray to me. It is clear that any signifigance to these dates would derive from Islamic culture, and possibly from the arcane byways of that world's own numerologic systems. Penetrating these would, of course, require scholarship and work....