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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 08:34 AM
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Heh heh ... I'm tickled pink about this
Richard Clarke is coteaching a new course on terrorism at Harvard. My book is recommended reading, and the first chapter is required reading:

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/degreeprog/courses.nsf/0/df34b482dc3f592485256f3400527713?OpenDocument&ExpandSection=2

Anyone living near there should stop by and ask him some questions!
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 09:25 AM
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1. Congratulations
So are you a MIHOP, LIHOP, or LIHBI proponent?

(Let It Happen By Incompetence)

I appologize for not knowing.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:15 PM
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4. You can listen to
Paul Thompson holding a talk about ISI and Al Qaida :

http://911busters.com/ ( Scroll down to Paul Thompson )

( It may not answer your question, but it might give you some idea. + It´s very interesting. )
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 09:46 AM
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2. That is fantastic! BTW,,,
Your efforts have been monumental and will eventually lead to the Truth getting out there, loud and clear. Please accept my personal thanks and true appreciation for all that you have done. :)
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 10:37 AM
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3. That's hilarious!
And I'm curious too-- are you more incompetence theory or LIHOP or MIHOP or uncommitted?
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 08:41 PM
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5. Opinion
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 08:48 PM by paulthompson
I try not to have an opinion on that, so I can remain open minded as a researcher. But there are a few things I do believe.

One, even under the "best cast scenario" of incompetence Bush and many of his staff should be impeached because the incompetence would be a criminal incompetence. And if that wasn't grounds for impeachment, the subsequent cover up would be (recall Nixon - he wasn't brought down by crime of Watergate itself, but by his role in the cover up of it).

Two, there certainly were other actors involved in addition to al-Qaeda. The Pakistani ISI is the most obvious example, but it doesn't end there. The story is much more complicated that we're led to generally believe.

Three, the above three choices are too limiting for me, and exclude many options. What about, for instance, a small, fanatical cabal of Americans participating, making it a fait accompli to the Bush administration after the latter finds out? I'm reminded of the Gary Powers U2 incident in the Eisenhower administration. If you dig deep into the historical record, it's an established fact that Eisenhower explicitly and firmly banned any U2 flights over Russia during the lead up to a big summit with Russia that could have led to a detente and an early end to the Cold War. The very fact that Gary Powers was flying indicates an act of treason by some within the US military. But there's further evidence his plane was deliberately sabotaged so it would go down inside Russia, creating the very incident Eisenhower desperately wanted to avoid. In the fallout, the Russian summit was cancelled, and this faction, whomever they were, got their fait accompli. All Eisenhower could do was warn about the excessive power of the "military-industrial complex" in his last speech as President (coining that term in the process).

Could a zealous faction of say, neo-cons, have had a similar role? I'm not saying that's what I believe, but it would add another option somewhere between MIHOP and incompetence or LIHOP and incompetence.

Another possibility that doesn't fit neatly is the mole possibility. Sibel Edmonds, who is certainly one of the most credible whistleblowers, has evidence of a foreign spy network with moles in at least the State Department, Pentagon and FBI, and manipulating the FBI's investigation about 9/11. Intriguingly, she hints this network may not be tied to any one foreign state, but rather a vast, stateless criminal network connected to the billions of dollars of opium and heroin coming out of Afghanistan. She's said that if this were fully investigated, people high up in the US government would go to prison. Incidentally, just a few weeks ago she was vindicated by an internal US goverment investigation.

So where would that fit? As I mention I think in the speech linked to above, Richard Clarke talks about a communication intecept of former ISI director Hamid Gul around 1999, assuring the Taliban leaders that they needn't worry about another US missile strike on their country, as he knew what the US leadership was thinking about this, and anyways if there was another one, he'd give advance warning like he did with the 1998 missile strike. Clearly this suggests a treasonous communication link between someone in the US government and the ISI, but who's playing who, or are both sides happily playing each other to mutual benefit?

So, I still don't know what all of this means, but if you put a gun to my head, I think it's likely some element of neo-cons have some role to play, though if that's a mole role (essentially working as foreign agents) or rogue faction role or if it goes all the way to the top and includes top neo-cons like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and/or Wolfowitz as overt participants and/or "in the know", I'm not sure. I also strongly suspect that one thing all the 9/11 participants have in common is connections to the lucrative Afghan drug trade.

It's intriguing the way folks like Perle, Wolfowitz, and Douglas Feith have ties to groups like the American-Turkish Council, outed by Edmonds as a potentially semi-legitimate front group for this drug criminal network. I think research into this is likely to be much more fruitful that arguing for the 1000th time if a plane hit the Pentagon or not.

Furthermore, the way many neocons have divided loyalties with Israel raises the whole issue of how that country might fit in, which is another thing that puzzles me and adds a whole other level of complexity to it all. Note for instance that Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith have been investigated off and on since the early 1980s for giving classified information to Israel.

Oh, and by the way, spooked911, I took a quick look at your website and am bummed that you don't include my book in your list of books to read. :(
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 10:04 PM
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6. Thanks for the interesting and lengthy reply! As far as your book--
I will add your book to my list!

However, I haven't read your book yet because I sort of assumed that it was basically your timeline information, with which I am familiar.

What else is in the book besides the timelines?

Note I did contribute some money to your website, so I certainly support your work.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 10:16 PM
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9. book
The book has a lot of new material not on the website, info that takes it up to July 2004 (the website is still stuck in 2003). Plus, the info is organized very differently, and there are chapter intros, maps, and other things containing even more info.

The website has been working a long time on getting things into a preferred database format that will make our lives easier, so that's why we haven't been updating the timeline. But we'll be done soon, and then the website will be caught up with the book.

Thanks for the donation. Taking a quick look at your website, I was pleased to see that you "get" the importance of the 9/11-ISI connection. So very few pay attention to that.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:08 PM
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10. Sounds good. I will have to get the book and read it.
It's next on my list!
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:26 AM
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12. I'll have to say...
I like the way you think, Mr. Thompson. Keep up the good work and keep pointing us in the right directions.
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meppie-meppie not Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 05:13 PM
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14. please tell me why your book is not for sale outside of the US
I had to go to great underground lengths to procure it! :-)
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:27 PM
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16. Really? That's odd. What country do you live in?
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meppie-meppie not Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:39 PM
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17. Canada. You would not believe the lengths I had to go to to get it. A
dear friend of mine ordered it through Amazon, as he lives in the US, and then he sent it to me. If you check out Paul's web site it still has the caveat that the book is not for sale outside of the US. Such a shame as I have so many good mates in the UK and other parts of Europe who are clamoring for it :(
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jimfromthebronx10469 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:02 PM
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15. paul thompson i love your timelines..
on sept.14 2001 george w. bush visited nyc to view the carnage i whloeheartedly believe,he was well aware of plans to strike inside the usa.at that time bush LIED to me and the country by claiming,"he had no idea of who might have crashed those commercial jets into the world trade center".
rather than confess and say he dropped the ball allowing sept.11 to occur,he just flat out LIED...then the foot-dragging,stalling,obstacles bush and company placed in front of possible investigations caused me to disbelieve he hadn't any prior knowledge,then I happened to find your "TERROR TIMELINE"
I had to rate those timelines with 4****, outstanding, compelling,eye-opening and REAL,supported by documentation.
Mr.Thompson I'm honored to write my thoughts to you and yes i pass along your website to every one who disputes my facts.
:toast: :toast: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hi: :dem:
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 10:08 PM
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7. By the way, I watched the video of your speech at the San Francisco
conference (at www.911busters.com) and I was very impressed. You did a great job of bringing out the importance of the Pakistani ISI connection.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 10:14 PM
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8. congradulations!!
as a flight attendant for one of the airlines involved who has fought for the truth for my co-workers who were lost that day...thank you ..and please always keep the truth as your keeper!!

please never turn your back on the truth no matter where it leads you..most of us can not stand the lies anylonger!! or the anger we carry with us , and the frustration from all the lies!!

thank you , and take the truth with you!!

flyarm
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:36 PM
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11. Just wanted to give my congratulations, Paul.
We may not always reach the same conclusions, but I really do admire the work you've put into the timeline and I'm glad it's starting to pay off for you. You certainly deserve it.

:hi:
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:53 PM
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13. Awsome!
I am sending a check for your book today. I always refer to your timeline online. I love the respects sent you by the victims family members. You should be very proud! Would you sign my copy? Please?
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:31 AM
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19. Thanks!
I'm be happy to sign a copy, but the logistics are a bit tough, as I'm in New Zealand and the books aren't. But I think Derek, who runs the Cooperative Research website, has some signed copies. He may be charging more for those for fundraising purposes, though. Send him an email (find the address through the website).
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 01:31 AM
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18. Congratulations!
Woo hoo!

:bounce: That is excellent news!
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