Can a plane crash cause the electrity to went out?

[John Doe II]

This has happened after UA 93 crashed:

Barry Lichty, the mayor of Indian Lake Borough, said the ground shook and the town’s electricity went out. He called the utility company to find out the cause."
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_12942.html

Can somebody please explain if it is possible that the crash causes the electrity to went out. Interestingly this is only reported for Indian Lake that is three miles east of the crash site but not for the direct area of the crash (Lambertsville Road etc).

[gbwarming]

1. Perhaps if some part hits the wires...

by the crater in this photo

[John Doe II]

2. Wires

But wouldn't the fact that the crashing plane cut the wires but didn't cut the trees down make the crash even more unexplainable?
Btw thanks a lot for your detailed answer in the crater thread (I very much appreciate that you always read carefully the stuff of the partner you're discussing with). If you find the time I'd like to know what you think of my last two questions in the other thread).

Here a photo where one can see how close the wires are to the forest:






And if it really was the crashing plane that destroyed the wires then how do we explain this (which also happens at Indian Lake, 1 1/2 miles east of crash site):

"(John) Feegle, who works at Indian Lake Marina, about two miles from the crash site, said he and coworkers were watching televised reports of the World Trade Center attack when the lights flickered at Indian Lake . "My boss said, 'Now they're after us.' Then we heard a loud roar," he said.
As the workers ran outside, they saw the plane go down beyond the lake in a large plume of fire and smoke.
(Newsday, 9/14/01)

[LARED]

3. A couple of points

If you look at the tree line next to the crash site, you will see an area of trees that are damaged. It appears to be fire damage. This area is between the impact zone and the wires. Since the trees are badly damaged it is a pretty safe assumption the wires could have been damaged or at least impacted enough to trip any breakers.

"(John) Feegle, who works at Indian Lake Marina, about two miles from the crash site, said he and coworkers were watching televised reports of the World Trade Center attack when the lights flickered at Indian Lake . "My boss said, 'Now they're after us.' Then we heard a loud roar," he said.
As the workers ran outside, they saw the plane go down beyond the lake in a large plume of fire and smoke.
(Newsday, 9/14/01)

I did a Lexus Nexus of Newsday and there is nothing similar to that quote. Where did you get the citation from? It seems fraudulent

[John Doe II]

4. Trees are burnt but not cut off

as one would imagine as a result of a Boeing 757.

The quote is from Lexis-Nexis. I just checked it again.
A longer quote is as follows:


Copyright 2001 Newsday, Inc.
http://www.newsday.com
Newsday (New York)

September 14, 2001 Friday ALL EDITIONS

SECTION: NEWS, Pg. W15

LENGTH: 829 words

HEADLINE: TERRORIST ATTACKS;
FBI Probes F-16 Accounts;
Pentagon: Military did not shoot down hijacked plane in Pa.

BYLINE: By Stephanie Saul; STAFF CORRESPONDENT

BODY:
Shanksville, Pa. - The FBI said yesterday that it is investigating eyewitness accounts that an F-16 fighter jet was flying near the site of the hijacked United Airlines Boeing 757 that crashed here Tuesday, as the Pentagon denied the military shot down the plane to prevent further destruction.

"We checked, doubled-checked, triple-checked," said Rear Adm. Craig Quigley, the Pentagon spokesman. "We shot nothing down. No military plane fired anything at anybody.

"No weapons of any kind were fired by any military airplane against anything two days ago," Quigley added.

Meanwhile, investigators searching a crater left by the plane's impact in an abandoned coal mine said they found the flight data recorder, which records the mechanical workings of the plane, and sent it to the National Transportation Safety Board in Washington yesterday afternoon. The "black box" voice recorder still has not been located. Authorities said debris from the plane is strewn in a 3- to 5-mile area, larger than initially thought.

Pittsburgh special agent William Crowley said the FBI had determined there were two other aircraft within 25 miles of where the plane went down, but he would not say whether they were military jets.

Quigley said he could not say whether the plane had been intercepted by a U.S. fighter jet.

"I don't know if any of the 'cap' were in a position to even see any of the four airplanes. I don't know that," he said, referring to the fighter jets that scrambled to patrol the skies over certain cities after the World Trade Center was hit.

He said the idea that the Pennsylvania plane was shot at was a persistent rumor the Defense Department has tried to knock down, even though the FBI initially refused to rule it out.

"We've been trying to kill it for two days," Quigley said. "It won't die. It's like Dracula. It keeps rising up."

Attorney General John Ashcroft yesterday deflected a reporter's question about the crash. When asked about the plane's intended target and what caused it to crash, Ashcroft said, "I think it's fair to say that we're unable to comment on that."

Passengers on the plane had placed frantic cell phone calls to relatives reporting that their flight from Newark to San Francisco had been hijacked and was headed back toward the East Coast.

Local residents who were the first to arrive at the crash site say they saw an oddly shaped plane that did not resemble any commercial aircraft circling the site three to five minutes after the Boeing 757 crashed, killing all 38 passengers and seven crew members.

The pure white aircraft circled, then disappeared into a glare of sunlight, said John Feegle, a service manager at a local marina. Feegle's coworker, Tom Spinelli, confirmed the sighting of the strangely shaped aircraft.

"It didn't look like a commercial plane," Feegle said. "It had a real goofy tail on it, like a high tail. It circled around, and it was gone."

The Boeing 757 had taken off from Newark International Airport at 8:01 a.m. Tuesday. As it approached the Cleveland area, it turned around and was headed in an easterly direction, Crowley confirmed yesterday.

Feegle, who works at Indian Lake Marina, about two miles from the crash site, said he and coworkers were watching televised reports of the World Trade Center attack when the lights flickered at Indian Lake. "My boss said, 'Now they're after us.' Then we heard a loud roar," he said.

As the workers ran outside, they saw the plane go down beyond the lake in a large plume of fire and smoke. Feegle and his coworkers jumped into a truck and rushed to the site.

Teams of FBI agents toured the 750-acre Indian Lake in boats late Wednesday. Crowley yesterday confirmed that debris had been removed from the lake.

Feegle, who piloted one of the FBI's boats, said the debris included correspondence with a California return address, the charred photograph of a boy, small pieces of seat cushions, and a 5-inch-long curved bone. Teams of state troopers returned to the lake yesterday and walked its 23-mile shoreline searching for additional clues.

Crowley also said yesterday that he is convinced some of the plane landed in a small pond near the crash site, and expressed hope that the plane's cockpit voice recorder will be found.

If you want I can pm you the whole article or post it here if this is allowed (as there is no URL for this artilce).

Btw I added the John in brackets. Maybe that's the reason why you didn't find it.

[LARED]

5. Cut off trees?

Why would trees be cut in half near the impact site? The trees look pretty mature. I would not expect any trees to be cut in half as trees are not easily felled.

The wires on the other hand might have been burned, might have been broken off at an insulator, or any spot, or might have been simply shorted out so a breaker opened up and killed the power flow.

Frankly it's a poor analogy comparing the strength of a mature tree with a electrical cable.

As for the article. I can't find it on Lexus-Nexus. What that means I can't tell you. I can only assume that the lights flickering holds great meaning to you.

Why?

[John Doe II]

6. The plane

came across the forest and crashed into the crater but although flying at a very low altitude (between 100 and 300 feet) it obviously didn't cut trees down (but the crater looks as if the plane crashed at a 90° angle). The question is if the plane somehow touched the wires or if the wires were destroyed by the explosion which burnt the trees. This is just an aside.

Yes, the flickering lights are important to me.

Can you explain me:
First the lights flicker.
Then the crash.
Then electricity went out.

For the article: If you have doubts about the article then let me know and I post it in its entirty.

[LARED]

7. There are quite a number of possibilities

First let me say I am unconvinced this article exists as posted. I'm not saying you made it up, but it seems very odd that I cannot find this on Lexus-Nexus as Newsday is a paper in their database. Posting it in its entirety is pointless as it will not validate the source.

But assuming it is factual lets move on.

First, lights flickering in a rural area is hardly unusual. Especially in the fall as that season is the worse time of the years for transmission line problems. Perhaps the lights flickering just before impact was just a coincidence. Many a squirrel had the unfortunate timing to get fried on the line at the most inconvenient times. It is possible the aircraft disturbed some transmission lines in some way along its path as its exact location and altitude are unknown.

Second, perhaps this is a case of sloppy reporting or editing. If true, it would hardly be the first time. There is no corroborating reports of this from any other source.

Now, I will leave all of the remaining speculation that it was a EMP weapon, or some other phenomenon that there is no evidence for to the diligent "researchers" of 9/11.

[John Doe II]

9. URL

I found it on the net:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010914233813/newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uspenn142365561sep14.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines


John Feegle is one of the most important witnesses. He"s from Indian Lake Marina. Saw the raining debris. Found human remains on the lake. Gave the FBI a boat tour. Saw the white jet. Went to the crash site.

Leaving the possibility of sloppy journalismus aside I find it rather strange that there is a problem with the electricity just before the crash.

[John Doe II]

10. Flickering Light II

Here another source stating about flickering light BEFORE the crash:
“All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom,” said Fleegle, pointing to a clearing on a ridge at the far end of the lake.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_12967.html

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Are there any pictures

at all that show any of the debris? I have never seen any debris pics from this site.

Looking at the crater, it looks like the plane would have gone into the ground at a fairly steep angle. Why weren't parts of it sticking up out of the crater and strewn around out side the crater from the crash?

[John Doe II]

13. Here you go!

Here you can see rare pics of debris.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x31709

But I’m still desperately looking for a photo of the famous engine that was found more than a day later.

Here are the only aerial pics of the crater.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x30634

Your impression of the angle is logical. But the question is if the plane could have even theoretically made such a movement. For further info see above mentioned thread.

[Wilms]

8. Not sure there's much here.

Those trees look more diseased than burned but it's too pixelated to make out.

And while you can see wires stretching from pole to pole, I don't notice any drooping.

That said, consider it would take only a piece of debris to hit power-lines and trip them.

And if that happened, or if two wires slapped together (I've witnessed such an impressive event) you get a "phase-to-phase" short. I think that's worse than "phase-to-ground". The one I witnessed...things got extremely bright for a moment, and there was a very loud boom.

But think what happens when you see a lightning strike three miles away. You see a flash, and a few seconds later, the slow-poke acoustic wavefront arrives. So if a power line goes phase-to-phase, three miles from your house, your lites will flicker or go out, and a few seconds later, you'll here a boom.

Nevertheless, I enjoyed this quote from the link.

"If they hadn’t told us a plane had wrecked, you wouldn’t have known."


Had he not believed what they told him, he wouldn't have "known". Just about everything most Americans 'know' about 9/11 is really just them re-:puke:-ing what they've been told.

So many are absolutely sure Atta and Co. are the culprits. It's fun to ask people who repeat such rumors as known fact, "Oh. So you saw the hijackers?"

This country needs college 101 logic in a bad way!

[John Doe II]

11. Flickering light

As apparently it's not sloppy journalism and John Feegle is one of the central witnesses of UA 93: Any explanations for the stated fact that the lights were flickering just before the crash?