is it just me, or has opinion on 911 lihop/mihop changed?

[ashmanonar]

seems like only a month ago, every time someone even brought up the possibility of 911 being engineered/allowed by the ** admin they were flamed. repeatedly.

now, when someone says lihop/mihop people seem to take them seriously. what has changed in the past month/two months?

[Hissyspit]

1. I've always assumed it was allowed!

Engineered is more implausible.

[ashmanonar]

2. well, it's not to say that it wasn't allowed before.

but there was always someone, usually someone above a thousand posts too, who liked to just try to debunk the theory or discussion. long-term freepers?

it just seems like now, whenever people are discussing it, it seems to be a useful and meaningful discussion about the 911 "attack".

[Sterling]

13. It seems it may be being suppressed currently?

Is this true. Are these threads still getting buried in achieved and left over forums. Why not just call it "the shit we don't want discussed but are not willing to come out and say it" forum?

[NAO]

7. Engineered vs. Allowed = MIHOP vs. LIHOP

I believe there is an absolute rock solid irrefutable case for LIHOP, and a very strong case for MIHOP.

It was EXTREMELY difficult for me to accept the notion of LIHOP as non-ridiculous at first. We are all rigorously trained our entire lives to disbelieve in systematic corruption of that magnitude at the highest levels of government. There is immense psychological resistance to that notion.

I overcame that resistance thru reading David Ray Griffin's case for (at least) LIHOP with suggestions of MIHOP. Other material from diverse 9/11 truth sources have provided strong evidence and a sound case for MIHOP.

[Hissyspit]

17. On Aug. 11, 2001...

I was at the World Trade Center. Standing outside looking up to the buidings, I said to my girlfriend, "I don't understand why people don't think they'll try it again. They won't use truck bombs because they didn't work the first time." I then imagined missiles and airplanes hitting the buildings. This was the same weekend as the famous PDB: "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In The U.S."

I teach Art History. I was on vacation. I saw the f'ing thing coming.

On Purpose is almost beside the point. It shouldn't have happened.

Complicit or complacent or incompetent or negligent. Whatever. What the hell are these people still doing in power?

[frylock]

20. if you read new pearl harbor..

you should check out Nafeez Ahmed's .

[meppie-meppie not]

33. I've read both books, excellent choices. They both make me lean

towards MIHOP over LIHOP. I should clarify, these 2 books along with a host of others lead me to MIHOP :-)

[DulceDecorum]

3. Too many paid Bushniks PR agents are getting caught

Two months ago,
who would have dared suggest that Jeff Gannon
was the equivalent of a stripper?
You would have been tinfoiled out of the building.

[ashmanonar]

4. indeed.

you're quite right. the bush illusion is falling apart, and now people seem more comfortable considering that his admin is criminally negligent (or complicit) in the "attack".

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[Bouncy Ball]

6. I've always leaned LIHOP

though I've never quite been able to go all the way to MIHOP. That's just too evil to consider, for me.

But LIHOP? No, I wouldn't put that past the bushies.

[uppityperson]

14. I'm in agreement with you here. LIHOP is not unlikely.

Wonder if we'll get the answers in our lifetimes (and may our lifetimes be long and peaceful).

[eridani]

23. Not too evil--just too complicated

I don't see how they could have controlled it. LIHOP way easier to manage, by far.

[Hissyspit]

28. Ockham's Razor

Why have a complicated conspiracy, when you know someone else is going to do it for you, anyway?

The signs for attack were there, all they had to do was wait...
That just seems the most likely. Bush was told by Clinton and Clark of the danger, and seemed like he didn't have much to say about it.
They (new Bush admin) were probably thinking, well, if they attack, we've got our Iraq war.

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[Sterling]

12. Mods please don't move this thread.

this is legit GD.

[Hissyspit]

18. I agree, because it is more about DU than 9/11

[RBHam]

19. yep

how long will this thread last?

[Hissyspit]

22. Well, you can always KICK it

:)

[Cleita]

9. It's starting to show up elsewhere.

Randi Rhodes almost said it today on her show. She really dissected the new information and said that the look on Bush's face when he sat in the classroom looked like he knew what was happening. I agree.

[Mike Niendorff]

26. Randi's show struck me very powerfully today, too

and to be honest, I think she actually went beyond "almost" saying it, and pretty much flat-out said it :)


MDN

[stillcool]

10. Too many Lies being exposed.....

and the BIG one looms large on the horizon. It is the one thing that I still can't get my head around. I understand the why, but the who has me straddling several fences. drip...drip....drip

[hootinholler]

16. Which BIG one?

Seriously, I have no clue of what you speak.

-Hoot

[Sterling]

11. No that dramatic change occurred around the time of the Iraq Wars

start. Before the war started it was mostly the 9-11 people that were convinced W was going to attack Iraq. Those people were poo pooed like for saying that the same way they were for 9-11. The problem was that the 9-11 people were right.

They were right because they were actually doing the research. Many of the initial 9-11 people were history majors or people with a background in poli sci. Many are just plain nerds. In the end the case was made over and over and to this day those debates still take place, except now I see people I know were mocking 9-11 skeptics back in 2001/02 making great arguments for mihop and lihop.

It has really been inspirational seeing a place where the lie did not take. I wish the rest of the country were as informed.

[DulceDecorum]

27. And speaking of conspiracy theories

The White House spokesman, Scott McLellan, has dismissed charges that Gannon was part of an underground propaganda effort as "just a wild conspiracy theory."
But questions remained yesterday about why the White House suspended the normally rigorous vetting process to issue daily passes to an organisation rejected by the Senate last year for not being a legitimate media outlet.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1410627,00.html

More at:
http://americablog.blogspot.com/

The resumes of the original pilots on those planes raise more questions than they answer.

Several of them were flying commercial airliners for years
before they got any licenses from the FAA to do so.
One of them were even teaching flying without any evidence of knowing how to do so himself and another had a medical certificate that expired rendering him unable to fly on September 11, 2001.
The FAA reports that the two AA planes were removed from the registry because they were destroyed on January 14, 2002.
Both UA planes are still registered. How do you keep up the registration of a destroyed car or plane after you have been paid off?
What is even more curious is that UA is suing, State Street Bank and Trust of Connecticut in an effort to find out who owns the planes in the first place.
The BTS maintains that Flight 11 and Flight 77 never took off from any US airport and the 911 Omission report says that passengers appear to have boarded Flight 11 after it left the gate. Nobody can explain how Hani Hanjour got on Flight 77 since he had no ticket and does not appear to have passed the gate.
There is no such thing as US Air Flight 5390 from Portland to Logan, direct and there is nothing to suggest that such a flight has ever existed.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Or, as Scotty would say: "just a wild conspiracy theory."

[zann725]

29. If they 'listened' with their hearts, they'd KNOW it was at least LIIHOP.

I don't consider myself a conspiracy theory person, but from the very first...on 9/11 itself, I strongly felt on a gut-level that it was MIHOP. I've heard many others say that their "first impression" was the same too. I trust gut-level first-impressions, intuition.

But whether it was LIHOP or MIHOP, both are reprehensible, and down-right UN-American.

[hootinholler]

15. For me it was the

Volcano of lies on the SNL skit that convinced me.

Actually I had been suspecting LIHOP since the day. I'm absolutely convinced of LIHOP in the last few months,(after discovering PNAC), and now leaning MIHOP.

-Hoot

[Disturbed]

21. LIHOP

I have leaned that for for over two years. I feel that many in the Bush Junta knew an attack was coming and did nothing to stop it. I don't believe that they knew the extent of it or the details.

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[ComerPerro]

25. Actually, its been pretty accepted here for the last year or so

Maybe longer. But it keeps going further along the line from paranoid conspiracy theory to a very likely explaination.

[earth mom]

30. I would like to see a forum that we could all discuss this in regularly

.

[Moderator]

32. Locking

There is such a forum, located here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

[Fescue4u]

31. nothing has changed with me.

Both theories are still pretty crazy.