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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 12:08 PM
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Operation Gladio
"At the end of last month, Frank Cass in London released a new book by Dr. Daniele Ganser of the Center for Security Studies at the Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich called, “NATO’s Secret Armies. Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe,” which offers plenty of evidence that there was also a “Salvador Option” in post-war Europe. It turns out that during the Cold War, European governments and secret services conspired with a NATO-backed operation to engineer attacks in their own countries in order to manipulate the population to reject socialism and communism.

It was called “the strategy of tension” and it was carried out by members of secret stay-behind armies organized by NATO and funded by the CIA in Italy, Portugal, Germany, Spain, and other European countries. The strategy apparently involved supplying right-wing terrorists with explosives to carry out terrorist acts which were then blamed on left-wing groups to keep them out of power.

Only three countries, Italy, Belgium, and Switzerland, have had a parliamentary investigation into NATO’s role and a public report. The US and UK, the two nations most centrally involved, are refusing to disclose details, so crucial pieces of the story are missing. Still, Ganser’s book offers some disturbing insights into a hidden aspect of the Cold War."

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0210-22.htm
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:20 PM
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1. The tactics of the oppressors never seem to change...
Only the convenient scape-goats are changed. :nopity:
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 09:56 AM
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2. Related ( BBC documentary : "The power of nightmares" )
"Is it conceivable that Al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist conspiracy, does not exist?

To even raise the question amid all the officially inspired hysteria is heretical, especially in the context of the U.S. media's supine acceptance of administration claims relating to national security. Yet a brilliant new BBC film produced by one of Britain's leading documentary filmmakers systematically challenges this and many other accepted articles of faith in the so-called war on terror.

"The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear," a three-hour historical film by Adam Curtis recently aired by the British Broadcasting Corp., argues coherently that much of what we have been told about the threat of international terrorism "is a fantasy that has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It is a dark illusion that has spread unquestioned through governments around the world, the security services and the international media.""
http://www.reopen911.org/Is%20Al%20Qaeda%20Just%20a%20Bush%20Boogeyman.htm
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 09:58 AM
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3.  ( Carbomb in Beirut )
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"To point to Syria in a terrorist act that aims at destabilising both Syria and Lebanon is truly like blaming the US for 9/11"

Buthaina Shaaban
Syrian cabinet minister
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"The likelihood that Syria was involved in the assassination is zilch. One can hardly imagine a greater disaster for poor Syria who has been scrambling to avoid the American bludgeon for the last four years. Few people realize that Syria provided more assistance in the first year of the war on terror after 9-11 than any other nation."

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/02/rafiq-hariri-and-cui-bono.html

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:12 AM
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4. That first quote doesn't make much sense to me.
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 11:52 AM by spooked911
9/11 clearly benefited the Bush administration, while this assassination doesn't clearly help the Syrian leadership-- in fact it would seem to be bad for them.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:03 PM
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6. Yes
I think that quote could well be very "ironic"(?), or what to call it.( Tongue in cheak (?)). That the guy is not at all into the official story of 911.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:56 AM
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5. The strategy of tension sounds very much like what the Bush administration
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 11:57 AM by spooked911
is doing:
"It was called “the strategy of tension” and it was carried out by members of secret stay-behind armies organized by NATO and funded by the CIA in Italy, Portugal, Germany, Spain, and other European countries. The strategy apparently involved supplying right-wing terrorists with explosives to carry out terrorist acts which were then blamed on left-wing groups to keep them out of power."

Particularly when you have have right-wingers aligning the left with the terrorists-- they have done this repeatedly in fact.

This strategy is also what Webster Tarpley calls "synthetic terrorism"-- state-sponsored false-flag terrorism.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:37 PM
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7. Gladio
I saw this on another thread and thought it was extremely important:

And now, from the man himself. Some of Ledeen's own words, on a leadership trait he admires, from his book Universal Fascism:

"In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may have to 'enter into evil.' This is the chilling insight that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired and challenging... we are rotten.... It’s true that we can achieve greatness if, and only if, we are properly led."

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/yellow-cake-and-black-shirts.html

Given that Michael Ledeen is one of Bush's most influential advisors and a key neocon, is it any wonder that so many suspect or believe the neocons had something to do with 9/11? This ties into the Leo Strauss doctrine that the neocons are so fond of, that again argues one must do evil to do good.

And given this quote about Gladio from US military documents:

"...when the revolutionaries temporarily renounce the use of force ….US army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger…”

plus the fact that Ledeen was apparently deeply involved in Gladio and has such an influence in the Bush Administration now, it shouldn't be too surprising to see the likes of this entry from my book:

September 26, 2002: New U.S. Military Organization Will “Stimulate” Terrorist Attacks Instead of Stopping Them

A leaked August 16, 2002, report from Defense Secretary Rumsfeld’s influential Defense Science Board 2002 is exposed. (UPI, 9/26/02) The board “recommends creation of a super-intelligence support , an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception. Among other things, this body would launch secret operations aimed at ‘stimulating reactions’ among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction—that is, for instance, prodding terrorist cells into action and exposing themselves to ‘quick-response’ attacks by U.S. forces. Such tactics would hold ‘states/sub-state actors accountable’ and ‘signal to harboring states that their sovereignty will be at risk.’” (LOS ANGELES TIMES, 10/27/02; ASIA TIMES, 11/5/02) An editorial in the Moscow Times comments: “In other words—and let’s say this plainly, clearly and soberly, so that no one can mistake the intention of Rumsfeld’s plan—the United States government is planning to use ‘cover and deception’ and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people.” It is further suggested terrorists could be instigated in countries the U.S. wants to gain control over. (MOSCOW TIMES, 11/1/02)

Of course, Seymour Hersh's recent New Yorker article "The Coming Wars" shows this is happening, and is well on the way to becoming overt, official doctrine:

Under Rumsfeld’s new approach, I was told, U.S. military operatives would be permitted to pose abroad as corrupt foreign businessmen seeking to buy contraband items that could be used in nuclear-weapons systems. In some cases, according to the Pentagon advisers, local citizens could be recruited and asked to join up with guerrillas or terrorists. This could potentially involve organizing and carrying out combat operations, or even terrorist activities. Some operations will likely take place in nations in which there is an American diplomatic mission, with an Ambassador and a C.I.A. station chief, the Pentagon consultant said. The Ambassador and the station chief would not necessarily have a need to know, under the Pentagon’s current interpretation of its reporting requirement.

The new rules will enable the Special Forces community to set up what it calls “action teams” in the target countries overseas which can be used to find and eliminate terrorist organizations. “Do you remember the right-wing execution squads in El Salvador?” the former high-level intelligence official asked me, referring to the military-led gangs that committed atrocities in the early nineteen-eighties. “We founded them and we financed them,” he said. “The objective now is to recruit locals in any area we want. And we aren’t going to tell Congress about it.” A former military officer, who has knowledge of the Pentagon’s commando capabilities, said, “We’re going to be riding with the bad boys.”

One of the rationales for such tactics was spelled out in a series of articles by John Arquilla, a professor of defense analysis at the Naval Postgraduate School, in Monterey, California, and a consultant on terrorism for the rand corporation. “It takes a network to fight a network,” Arquilla wrote in a recent article in the San Francisco Chronicle:

When conventional military operations and bombing failed to defeat the Mau Mau insurgency in Kenya in the 1950s, the British formed teams of friendly Kikuyu tribesmen who went about pretending to be terrorists. These “pseudo gangs,” as they were called, swiftly threw the Mau Mau on the defensive, either by befriending and then ambushing bands of fighters or by guiding bombers to the terrorists’ camps. What worked in Kenya a half-century ago has a wonderful chance of undermining trust and recruitment among today’s terror networks. Forming new pseudo gangs should not be difficult.

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There's really no telling any more, if there ever was, if any given terrorist act is a false flag operation or not. But anytime anyone suggests any false flag operations, they're immediately branded conspiracy theorists. Should we be more afraid of the terrorists, or the "pseudo-terrorists"?

As an aside, I remember back around 1991 when the details of Operation Gladio burst onto the front pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post. I think the story made the main headline of both newpapers. I expected to see a huge fallout in the days that followed, a debate raging about the ethics of it, people going to jail eventually, etc... but there was nothing. Not even letters to the editor about it. I thought it was really bizarre at the time, but now I realize the bizarre thing was that the story made the front page in the first place, because people just don't want to know these things. They want to believe their government is honest and good. Of course this continues to this day. Note the huge debate in the wake of the above Hersh article on the topic of if we're going to war with Iran or not, and no debate on the topic of the ethics of "riding with the bad boys."

If anyone can find and post those original New York Times and Washington Post articles on Gladio from back then, I'd really appreciate it.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:04 AM
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8. A couple more comments
One argument against LIHOP or MIHOP is that there's no way such a conspiracy could exist without somebody talking and exposing it. Well, look at Gladio. It existed in secrecy from the 40's until the early 90's, conducting countless terror acts as false flag operations against innocent civilians. It was a huge operation, involving cells in nearly every country in Western Europe.

Why was nobody talking, or should I say, successfully talking? Oh, could be due to little things like this:

1990 In Switzerland Colonel Herbert Alboth, a former commander of the Swiss secret stay-behind army P26, in a confidential letter to the Defence Departement declares that he is willing to reveal "the whole truth." Thereafter he is found in his house stabbed with his own military bayonet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3102100

Note that people would have to earn their stripes committing small acts of evil before being entrusted with the heavy lifting. Once they've done the small acts, they're blackmailable on other charges in case they ever feel like talking about the big stuff. So you only use criminal veterans. For instance, look at how many of the convicted felons from Iran Contra have made comebacks, including the appointment of John "Death Squads" Negroponte as the new intelligence director yesterday! If that doesn't show the rot of evil behind the Bush Administration, then nothing does.

Second point. I'm really intrigued by this line in a recent Washington Post article that followed up on Hersh's article:

"A recent Pentagon memo states that recruited agents may include 'notorious figures' whose links to the U.S. government would be embarrassing if disclosed."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A29414-2005Jan22?language=printer

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I'm surprised there hasn't been more speculation about this at DU. For instance, has al-Zarqawi been bought off by the US? I've read in several articles that most people in Iraq think so. What about al-Qaeda? Has it been penetrated at the highest levels?
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:05 PM
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10. Time for another flashback
> "has al-Zarqawi been bought off by the US?"
> "What about al-Qaeda? Has it been penetrated..."

Time for another flashback.

This has been posted before ( By John Doe II (Or was it seatnineb?)), but it is a while back.

Concerning the 1993 bombing of the WTC :

FBI informant Edam Salem recorded his phonecalls to his FBI handler.

"Two cassette tape recordings, obtained by SHADOW reporter Paul DeRienzo of telephone conversations between FBI informant Emad Salem and his Bureau contacts reveal secret U.S. Government complicity in the February 26, 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City in which six people were killed and more than a thousand were injured."

From the tape :

"FBI Informant Edam Salem: "...we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the DA and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful great case!" "

http://pdr.autono.net/WhoBombedWTC.html ( with mp3 of the tape )
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:55 AM
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13. I speculate this all the time, the Myth Of Al Qaeda...
But debate gets shut down by the Neo-Con lurkers and very nervous DU Administration. All 9-11 threads I've started in GD, if they threaten to gather momentum and educate the amazing numbers of people still ignorant of the hidden truth, are locked and move to this forum.

Like Germany during WW II, the crimes of this Government are so horrendous that the citizenry will accept the Big Lie as a subconscious crutch. Because the alternative, that is the Truth, is too horrible to contemplate.

And the 3.2 trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon's budget and labelled as "Black Budget" expenses sure can buy you alot of agents in media and government to lead the people away from the true scent to a multitude of distractions, distortions and red herrings.

Paul, take this to the bank, the Neo-Cons have too much power. And they are way too invested in their agenda, and have taken it way too far, to let go of it without a fight.

They'll take every last human being on this planet down with them if they have too.

It's going to get far worse before it gets better.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:28 PM
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14. Yeah
I get annoyed at DU on this. They don't move threads on other topics, just on 9/11. And you can't discuss it, because if you do, that thread gets locked.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:33 PM
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15. I/P stuff gets moved faster than 9/11 threads IMHO
I've never seen an I/P thread last more than a couple of posts in GD, while there have been 9/11 threads that have made it pretty far.

What're you gonna do, though? It's Skinner's site, he makes the rules. :shrug:
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:03 PM
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16. Very good point! n/t
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 10:56 AM
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9. That is pretty stunning. Here is more:
Aug. 2, 1980 :
85 people ripped apart in the bombing of the Bologna train station.

In 2000 the Italian Senate concluded after its investigation that this was the deed of "men inside Italian state institutions and ... men linked to the structures of United States intelligence".

http://rense.com/general63/sword.htm
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spangler Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:34 PM
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11. not really connected but
Just on the subject of fake terror for political manipulation

http://www.kimsoft.com/1997/kmc98d6.htm

ANSP Under Investigation for Possible Role
in KAL Flight 858 Bombing

ANSP are the South Korean intelligence agency. North Korea were blamed for the bombing, and it was essentially this act that would have inspired their inclusion in the "Axis of Evil".
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 06:18 PM
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12. Welcome to DU!!!!!!!!
:party: :toast: :party: :toast:

Interesting first post!
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