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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:26 AM
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9/11 is still an inside job and this is meant for general consumption...
Those of you who know, know that this remains the prime sin of the regime, the enabling event like the Reichstag event.

Those of you who doubt, I say, don't let up on Gannon or WMD or vote fraud or whatever you are pursuing in your efforts to upturn the coup d'etat and the imperial push - but don't ignore the 9/11 evidence that remains primary in exposing the nature of our regime, dating back long before the stolen election of 2000.

And don't expect a full explanation in this space. This post is meant for all who come to the general discussion, not just for the 9/11 specialty ghetto.

Time to check the evidence:

www.justicefor911.org
www.911truth.org
www.911review.com
www.septembereleventh.org

read

Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert
9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions by David Ray Griffin
The War on Freedom by Nafeez Ahmed
The Terror Timeline by Paul Thompson

and spring off into all that's available from there.

9/11 was used as a lever to shift the world. You need to know all you can about it.
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ragin_acadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:45 AM
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1. thanks for the links,
don't forget whatreallyhappened.com - good resource for articles.

i don't think we are alone in suspecting the neocons and israeli's as perpetrators. there were a lot of 911truth.org signs at the jazz funereal for democracy on Jan 20th
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:48 AM
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2. make sure to check out this thread also
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:51 AM
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3. A B 'Buzzy' Krongard
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 01:23 AM by seemslikeadream
By Vernon Loeb and Greg Schneider
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, March 17, 2001; Page A03

Investigations into the unusually high number of "put" options, betting that the price of United Airlines (UAL) and American Airlines shares would fall, have revealed that Alex Brown Inc., an investment banking firm, purchased many of these option contracts.
Alex Brown Inc. was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now the executive director of the Central Intelligence Agency, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard.

Krongard, 64, former head of Baltimore-based Alex Brown, America's oldest investment bank, joined the CIA three years ago as a counselor to Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet. Krongard switched careers shortly after helping engineer the $2.5 billion merger of Alex Brown and Bankers Trust New York Corp., gaining $71 million in Bankers Trust stock in the process.

President Bush appointed Krongard executive director of the Central Intelligence Agency on March 26. From February 1998 until March 2001, Krongard served as counselor to the director of central intelligence. Until 1997 Krongard was chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown, having previously worked in various capacities at Alex Brown. Krongard was quoted on the relationship between Wall Street and the CIA in an article by The Washington Post. If you go back to the CIA's origins during World War II in the Office of Strategic Services, Krongard told the Post, "the whole OSS was really nothing but Wall Street bankers and lawyers."

more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A16570-2001Mar16¬Found=true

Supressed Details of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly into the CIA’s Highest Ranks
CIA Executive Director “Buzzy” Krongard managed firm that handled “PUT” options on United Airline Stock
by Michael C. Ruppert

FTW - October 9, 2001 – Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial
markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these
trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the “put options” on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is
now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency.

Until 1997 A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker’s Trust in 1997. Krongard then
became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker’s Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin this year as being connected
to money laundering. Krongard’s last position at Banker’s Trust (BT) was to oversee “private client relations.” In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with
some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being
closely connected to the laundering of drug money.

Krongard joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President
Bush in March of this year. BT was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe. And,
as we shall see, Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.
more
http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html

Follow the Money: Bush, 9/11, and Deep Threat

by Fran Shor
Published on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 by CommonDreams.org

The CIA and Other Deep Pockets

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 a number of news stories appeared concerning investments in “put” options in United and American Airlines. Put options are shares that are bets on falling market prices for specific stocks. In the week before September 11 put options in United and American Airlines went through a furious and unprecedented spasm of investment. In addition put options for Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch, two of the biggest occupants of the World Trade Center, also saw abnormal activity. Most of the investments in these put options originated in Germany through the Deutsche Bank. Deutshce Bank had earlier acquired Banker’s Trust, a investment banking firm whose Vice Chairman in charge of “private client relations” in the late 1990’s was A. B. “Buzzy” Krongard. In March of 2001, Krongard was appointed Executive Director of the CIA.

Certainly, the CIA has a history of laundering money and dealings with shady investment characters. What becomes particularly relevant in the lead-up to 9/11 is the August CIA briefing of Bush concerning the potential threat of attacks by bin Laden using hijacked planes on certain sites, such as the Pentagon and World Trade Center, and the fact that the CIA had bugging equipment on bin Laden messages and international banking operations. Although no one has apparently claimed the money from the put options, questions remain about Krongard and the CIA’s involvement.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0522-07.htm

THE CIA CONFIRMS FTW's MAP --
We Were Right!

NEW CIA UNIVERSITY
REVEALS AGENCY PRIORITIES
July 3, 2002,-- 17:00 PDT (FTW) -- The CIA is now operating a university somewhere in northern Virginia. According to an entry in a June 24 newsletter published by an association of former intelligence officers, some of the courses taught at the university are "economic trends, international banking, the world oil market, and how the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, World Trade Organization, etc. and other non-governmental organizations work."

For four years FTW has been teaching that the CIA's primary role, it's raison d'etre, was to serve the interests of Wall Street and the major banks. In our recent three-country lecture tour, our documentation of the close links between CIA and Wall Street has taken many by surprise. Thirty years ago Professor Peter Dale Scott of Berkeley disclosed that six out of the first seven deputy directors of intelligence (CIA's number two position) had gone directly from Wall Street into service at the Agency. Since Sept. 11, FTW's disclosure that the CIA's current executive director, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, is a former investment banker has caused deeper rumbles. The firm he once headed, AlexBrown/Deutschebank, has been connected to insider trading on United Air Lines stock just before the Sept. 11 attacks. The NYSE's current executive vice president for enforcement, David Doherty, is a retired CIA general counsel.
more
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070302_CIA_U.html


DEUTSCHEBANK & MAYER, BROWN & PLATT

The evidence linking Deutschebank to the terrorists and insider trading is clearly quite extraordinary: 1) The lead hijacker pilot and two accomplices had bank accounts at its Hamburg branch, 2) One of its unnamed private investors never claimed $2.5 million in United Airlines put option contract profits following the attacks, 3) Its global “private banking” chief Mayo Shattuck III, resigned the day following the attacks in the middle of a three-year $40 million contract, 4) It hired away SEC enforcement and investigation chief Richard Walker just 20 days after the attacks, 5) Its recent senior investment banker Kevin Ingram pled guilty to money laundering involving Stinger missiles and multiple varieties of arms sales to Pakistani and Egyptian citizens just 14 days prior to Sept.11, and 6) Deutschebank was heavily involved in the 9/11 insider trading but Congress has not questioned former Alex (A.B.) Brown division head A. B. “Buzzy” Krongard -- appointed by George Bush as Executive Director (number three) of the CIA -- regarding intelligence and “real-time” stock trade monitoring.


European reporters found that most of the suspicious pre-attack trades passed through Deutschebank and especially via CIA Executive Director A.B. Krongard’s former Alex Brown investment division by means of a procedure called portage, which assures the anonymity of individuals making the transactions. But Congress has not publicly revealed whether they will call Krongard and other Alex Brown traders to testify in open hearings, or whether they will subpoena the pre-attack documents in question.

more
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00119.htm


A Deutsche Bank executive was convicted of money laundering shortly before 9/11, and the bank laundered heroin money linked to the CIA.

And Shattuck actually resigned on September 12(!) from his three-year $30 million contract as head of AB Brown.


SMOKING GUN BURIED DURING CALIFORNIA RECALL VOTE!

On October 7 while the eyes of America were fixed on the California Recall vote the Securities and Exchange Commission quietly announced it was closing its investigation of suspicious stock trades connected to 911. The SEC's reason for closing the investigation can best be summed up as "What insider trading?".

...

* Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45.00 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6.

* Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45.00 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in these options had been 252 contracts per day.

The CIA routinely monitors stock trades looking for exactly these kinds of suspicious transactions. The fact that these trades failed to sound any alarms is in itself suspicious as the bank which was the trading hub has a man inside the Agency. That man is CIA Executive Director “Buzzy” Krongard and the bank is Deutsche bank.

http://ez-websites.com/grudge /


September 6-10, 2001: Suspicious trading occurs on American and United, the two airlines used in the 9/11 attacks. "Between 6 and 7 September, The Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put option contracts (a speculation that the stock will go down) in UAL versus 396 call options – where a speculator bets on a price rising. Holders of the put options would have netted a profit of $5 million once the carrier's share price dived after September 11. On 10 September, more trading in Chicago saw the purchase of 4,516 put options in American Airlines, the other airline involved in the hijackings. This compares with a mere 748 call options in American purchased that day. Investigators cannot help but notice that no other airlines saw such trading in their put options." One analyst says: "I saw put-call numbers higher than I've ever seen in 10 years of following the markets, particularly the options markets." (Associated Press, 9/18/01, San Francisco Chronicle, 9/19/01) "To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also emerged that the firm used to buy many of the "put" options ... on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by "Buzzy" Krongard, now executive director of the CIA." Krongard was chairman of Alex Brown Inc., which was bought by Deutsche Bank. "His last post before resigning to take his senior role in the CIA was to head Bankers Trust – Alex Brown's private client business, dealing with the accounts and investments of wealthy customers around the world." (Independent, 10/14/01)
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/index.html


Let Bin Laden stay free, says CIA man AB “Buzzy” Krongard

January 09, 2005
Tony Allen-Mills

...

If the world’s most wanted terrorist is captured or killed, a power struggle among his Al-Qaeda subordinates may trigger a wave of terror attacks, said AB “Buzzy” Krongard, who stepped down six weeks ago as the CIA’s third most senior executive.

“You can make the argument that we’re better off with him (at large),” Krongard said. “Because if something happens to Bin Laden, you might find a lot of people vying for his position and demonstrating how macho they are by unleashing a stream of terror.”

Krongard, a former investment banker who joined the CIA in 1998, said Bin Laden’s role among Islamic militants was changing. “He’s turning into more of a charismatic leader than a terrorist mastermind,” he said. “Some of his lieutenants are the ones to worry about.” Krongard, 68, said he viewed Bin Laden “not as a chief executive but more like a venture capitalist”.

...

Several US officials have privately admitted that it may be better to keep Bin Laden pinned down on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan rather than make him a martyr or put him on trial. But Krongard is the most senior figure to acknowledge publicly that his capture might prove counter-productive.

Krongard also acknowledged that the CIA was still having trouble planting spies in Islamic militant ranks. “There are hundreds and hundreds of (Al-Qaeda) cells — it’s like a living, moving bit of protoplasm,” he said.

more
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1431539,00.html

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:55 AM
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4. Wow, only three posts before someone posted a link to a Holocaust denial
site.

It usually takes about ten or so.
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liberal43110 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:08 AM
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6. Which one of those sites is a holocaust denial site?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:12 AM
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7. I think he was referring to the Washington Post article
It took a minute but I found the direct link to it.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:15 PM
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17. American Free Press. It's run by Willis Carto.
eom
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 09:23 AM
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13. The LINKS police, they live inside of my head.
The LINKS police, they come to me in my bed.
The LINKS police, they’re coming to arrest me, oh no.

You know that talk is cheap, and those rumors ain’t nice.
And when I fall asleep I don’t think I’ll survive the night, the night.

’cause they’re waiting for me.
They’re looking for me.
Ev’ry single night they’re driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

The LINKS police, they live inside of my head.
(live inside of my head.)
The LINKS police, they come to me in my bed.
(come to me in my bed.)
The links police, they’re coming to arrest me, oh no.

Well, I can’t tell lies, ’cause they’re listening to me.
And when I fall asleep, bet they’re spying on me tonight, tonight.

’cause they’re waiting for me.
They’re looking for me.
Ev’ry single night they’re driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

I try to sleep, they’re wide awake, they won’t leave me alone.
They don’t get paid to take vacations, or let me alone.
They spy on me, I try to hide, they won’t let me alone.
They persecute me, they’re the judge and jury all in one.

’cause they’re waiting for me.
They’re looking for me.
Ev’ry single night they’re driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

The LINKS police, they live inside of my head.
The LINKS police, they come to me in my bed.
The LINKS police, they’re coming to arrest me.

My apologies

to rick nielsen
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 01:49 AM
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5. Sibel Edmonds
AN Interview with Sibel Edmonds July 1 04



Antiwar.com - Sunnyvale,CA,USA
...
<http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=2917

An Interview with Sibel Edmonds
FBI Whistleblower Talks to Antiwar.com

by Christopher Deliso
balkanalysis.com

Sibel Edmonds began working for the FBI shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, translating top-secret documents pertaining to suspected terrorists. She was fired in the spring of 2002 after reporting her concerns about sabotage, intimidation, corruption and incompetence to superiors. She first gained wide public attention in October of that year when she appeared on 60 Minutes on CBS and charged that the FBI, State Department, and Pentagon had been infiltrated by Turkish individuals suspected of ties to terrorism. On October 18, 2002, at the request of FBI Director Robert Mueller, Attorney General Ashcroft imposed a gag order on Ms. Edmonds, citing possible damage to diplomatic relations or national security. Edmonds is a key witness in a pending class-action suit filed by 9/11 families against the government. The following interview, conducted this past weekend for almost three hours by telephone, reveals sordid new details about U.S. intelligence practices.





Just a couple snippets from the three page interview:

<snip>
CD: You have expressed a desire for "one brave senator" to take up your cause. But what can they actually do, if the DOJ and judges rule in favor of classification?

SE: You know what they can do? Any senator or congressman can tell the press everything I have to say.

CD: Really? Doesn't that violate whatever the restrictions are the DOJ is putting on you?

SE: I'm authorized under law to testify in secret, in a secure room before a congressman. But if that congressman believes that national security overrides secrecy, he can put my testimony out there. That's what happened with Daniel Ellsberg. Senator Gravel poured out everything he had said before the congress because it was in the interests of the country. These people like John Ashcroft are actually endangering our national security by destroying civil liberties with such things as the Patriot Act. They are just cowards. They lack guts.

<snip>
CD: If your full testimony is heard by the public, who or what agencies are going to be in the biggest trouble?

SE: Well, as for agencies I guess the DOJ, FBI, State Department. But in a way these agencies get some kind of immunity when you charge them like this … I hate to see how a lot of agents get stigmatized in this. Most of the field agents I met in the FBI were good, honest and hardworking individuals. They were trying to do their best, but up against this ingrown bureaucracy – this is where you have the problem, as will as with certain elected officials.

CD: What are they so afraid of?

SE: They're afraid of information, of the truth coming out, and accountability – the whole accountability issue that will arise. But it's not as complicated as it might seem. If they were to allow the whole picture to emerge, it would just boil down to a whole lot of money and illegal activities.

CD: Hmm, well I know you can't name names, but can you tell me if any specific officials will suffer if your testimony comes out?

SE: Yes. Certain elected officials will stand trial and go to prison.
more..
http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=2917


"Heroin, Al Qaeda and the Florida Flight School"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1294206

DOJ Asked FBI Translator To Change Pre 9-11 Intercepts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=442067&mesg_id=442067

Explosive new Sibel Edmonds interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1555133&mesg_id=1555133

State Dept. Quashed 9/11 Links To Global Drug Trade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=610235&mesg_id=610235

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:15 AM
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8. Thanks! Say it again, and again, and again, until EVERYONE gets it!!!
What is a worse sin for a leader, than engineering an attack which kills THREE THOUSAND OF HIS OWN PEOPLE???

There cannot be anything that is more TREASONOUS than that!

That's it, that's all, that's the sum-total of it. And you're right--whatever scandal brings them down, I don't care if it's about a "gay hooker" or about a pretzel, or about a friggin' safety pin, whatever it is, it's good enough for me!
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:30 AM
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9. Adding "PNAC 101 - Rise of the Neocons" to the list of MUST READ links
Please visit the link in my sig line and PASS IT ALONG! The American public is being lied to and manipulated and they need to be woken up before it's too late - we're getting dangerously close!

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:54 AM
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10. SEPTEMBER 11
"bizarre coincidence": Cheney monitors crash simulation morning of 9/11
In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1298401

New bombshell: on 9/11 Pentagon conducted live-fly hijacking wargame
One of at least five wargames/simulations running on the morning of 9/11, under the auspices of the Joint Chiefs, was a live-fly exercise of a response to multiple hijackings. Numerous aircraft, military and civilian, were used in the exercise. With many fighters already committed to other wargames, the number remaining to respond to a threat were outnumbered by the number of apparently hijacked planes. And with the transponders switched off, identitifying the genuine threat from the simulated became even more difficult.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1694495

Rookie In Command Of National Mil. Command Ops Center On 9/11
National Military Command Center ops director asked newly-qualified substitute on Sept. 10 to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x631352

Another standdown: security at WTC on 9/11
The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x10267#10268

Power down at WTC 2 for 36 hours on 9/8 - 9/9
"On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ...

"Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x11081

Odigo says workers were warned two hours before attacks
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=460829&mesg_id=460829

Jeb Bush seized flight school records at 2 AM on September 12
Why did Jeb Bush and federal agents seize records from Huffman Aviation - Florida flight school of Mohammed Atta, and other 9/11 hijackers - in the middle of the night following the attacks of September 11th and load them onto a C-130? And why did Jeb Bush know, hours after the attack, where to look?

Whatever secrets Dekkers may possess about the terrorists, records from his flight school were deemed sensitive enough to have merited being escorted back to Washington by Florida Governor Jeb Bush aboard a C-130 cargo plane, which left Sarasota less than 24 hours after the September 11 attack.

...

"I sat down with two Southern lawmen, a current sheriff and his immediate predecessor. These two guys looked me dead in the eye and said that, based on what they have seen with a lot of CIA-connected covert operations in the area, the CIA was somehow involved in, if not responsible for, the World Trade Center attacks. You might expect some wild-eyed leftist radical to say that. But these are two Southern sheriffs. They have spent years watching CIA activities that they could not interfere with."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1328855

Raytheon, and Hani Hanjour's flight of fantasy
Hani Hanjour, the alleged pilot of Flight 77, was so unskilled, he'd been denied a Cessna just three weeks before. He'd tried to learn to fly for years, but his instructor found him hopeless. Yet three weeks later, Hanjour is said to have piloted a commercial airliner at 500 miles per hour so aerobatically a flight controller believed she was following the path of an F-18, perform a 270 degree spiralling descent of 5,000 feet over Washington in a matter of seconds, going out of his way to hit the Navy side of the five-storey high Pentagon: the one side which was virtually empty and undergoing reconstruction, and the only side whose exterior wall had been hardened to withstand attack.

A USA Today story from October 2001, announced that Raytheon had remote-flown a FedEx 727 to a safe landing on a New Mexico air force base in August 2001, without a pilot.

On at least three of the four sparsely occupied hijacked flights, there was a Raytheon employee. Including, on Flight 77, the plane which hit the Pentagon, Stanley Hall, director of program management for Raytheon's Electronics Warfare Division. A colleague called him "our dean of electronic warfare."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=976740&mesg_id=976740
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 09:08 AM
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11. now let's not get all crazy here....
....(smart ass mode)...most folks will believe just about anything but that, and just bringing it up is a real turd in the punchbowl.

9-11 is the great forgotten unmentionable, as is it's supposed perpetrator, osama what'sis name. 9-11 is only mentioned when bush reminds us 'we were attacked by crazed killers' when touting eternal war on those who DID NOT attack us in Iraq and beyond.

it's seems it's one of the most difficult things for folks to get their heads around: that it wasn't al qaeda, it was the neonazi neocons currently ruining civilization. that many many thousands of people have died over a giant hoax, that they got away with utterly.

whoo boy.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 09:16 AM
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12. Was 9/11 Allowed to Happen?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:05 PM
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14. great resources up here folks...
here's the morning kicker.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:11 PM
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15. How to spot a liar by takebackthemedia.com
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 06:12 PM
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18. That's a good one!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:12 PM
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16. At a minimum 9/11 was LIHOP.
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