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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:57 AM
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The Unacknowledged Threat - Steven Greer
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 11:02 AM by RBHam
If I were you, I'd bookmark this page and come back to it in a few months. Believe me, you'll know who Dr. Greer is by then - and that it is connected to tonight's UFO special on ABC. By the way - tape this special hosted by Peter Jennings, it will prove to be a seminal event in history.

• The Unacknowledged Threat - Secret and Covert Operations by the USA - ,

THE UNACKNOWLEDGED THREAT SECRET AND COVERT OPERATIONS BY THE USA
Article by Dr. Steven Greer
http://www.disclosureproject.org/World%20Affairs%20-%20The%20Journal%20of%20International%20Issues.htm

Since the end of the Second World War, the US military industrial complex has secretly sponsored at great public cost the R&D of new technologies for energy generation, air and outer space flight, futuristic weaponry and other mostly military ends, which have not been made available for the common good. Yet today’s environmental and economic emergencies dictate that the accumulated know-how be used for the benefit of mankind in its peaceful applications.

-Steven M Greer

< [There> exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.

— Senator Daniel K Inouye


In the councils of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex.. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together

— President Eisenhower – January 1961


The above address by two-term Republican US President and five- star Army General Dwight Eisenhower was issued as a prescient warning when he left office in 1961. Many have wondered why such a conservative, pro-military president would issue such a warning. We now know why.

The Disclosure Project, an NGO based in the United States, has identified several hundred military, intelligence and corporate witnesses to illegal and extra-constitutional projects that have suppressed information and prevented public access to technologies which could provide a definitive replacement for oil, coal, nuclear power and other conventional energy sources. These technologies have been both acquired and developed by military and industrial interests in the US, UK and other countries that have repeatedly lied to or withheld this information from legally constituted authorities and the public. This information has the potential to completely transform the current state of the world in the areas of technology, energy production, propulsion, the environment and geopolitical issues related to oil and energy supplies. In short, a sustainable, non-polluting and affluent civilisation could be created by the wise application of these technologies, and many of the most pressing crises facing the world community could have been avoided if it had not been for the deliberate suppression of such technological knowledge. While “national security concerns” have been invoked as reasons for such secrecy, in reality the policy is driven by the resolve to maintain the current “status quo” based on the pre-eminence of oil and fossil fuels and related special interests.

By the time President Eisenhower left, a transformation had occurred in the structure of Western military, intelligence and corporate programmes. The urgent pressures of the nuclear arms race and the Cold War with the Soviets had created an atmosphere of extreme secrecy, dwarfing the secret infrastructure surrounding the Manhattan Project that built the atomic bomb during the Second World War. The fate of the free world was at stake, and no expense was spared to create the means to advance technologies within the dark womb of secrecy. A culture evolved that required such secrecy for national survival and the “need-to-know-only” requirements of such programmes were further reinforced by the well-known espionage scandals of that era, including that of the Rosenbergs.

However, such a culture of generally regarded justifiable secrecy also created opportunities for abuse within the military, intelligence, corporate and laboratory complex. Classified programmes, appropriately structured to require a genuine need-to-know situation in order for one to have access to them, became increasingly “compartmented”, restricted and shadowy. Mechanisms for funding became Byzantine and obscure; programme structures were hidden with cover stories, “store front” operations and became virtually impenetrable; and the people within such programmes found themselves at once increasingly isolated and strangely empowered.

YES, THERE IS MORE...

published in the August 2004 issue of the World Affairs Journal. (Updated 08-18-04)
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:03 AM
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1. we know about potential UFOs - the question is WHY NOW?
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 11:03 AM by cthrumatrix
Why do THEY want to investigate NOW?

Who is doing it? ABC ? Please, there are more qualified organizations than Coprorate Media Cartel.

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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:07 AM
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2. I pray you are right. we need the truth once and for all.
Many of the major advances in technology that have occurred since Roswell are directly taken from that what was acquired there. I read a book awhile ago, can't remember the title, by a high up military man about this subject. Fascinating read, will try to find it.

Thanks for post, almost forgot show was on tonight!
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:33 AM
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3. A deal was cut.
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 11:45 AM by RBHam
Jennings does a JFK assassination special where he asserts his belief that there is no evidence that Oswald did not act alone, despite all the evidence of a cover up - in return, the "Shadow Government" allows Jennings to be THE first Big 3 Media anchorman to address the UFO Mystery in a serious manner.

Thus earning Jennings and ABC the distinction of being the network pioneers in the greatest adventure in human history -

Disclosing The truth That We Are Not Alone In The Universe.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:41 AM
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4. I think you meant no evidence that Oswald did not act alone?
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 11:42 AM by tasteblind
Hate to break it to you, but everywhere that UFO sightings regularly occur, a U.S. Air Force experimental aircraft base is nearby.

Roswell is near Area 51. Pine Bush, in the Hudson Valley of New York, is another one. They used to have a billboard there that read, "E.T. came home to Pine Bush...so should you," because it was notorious for strange sightings in the sky.

Needless to say, when I heard that Iran had major UFO sightings recently, it didn't surprise me much at all.



edited for typo
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:44 AM
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6. right
thanks

will fix
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:45 AM
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7. Why Elmwood, WI, then?
It's near absolutely nothing I can think of. IIRC Blum devoted a whole chapter to Elmwood in his book Out There.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:02 PM
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20. I'm not big into UFO lore.
I'm just saying that the instances I'm aware of were fairly easily explained by likely covert military installations.

I don't mean to discount the possibility of otherworldly visitors, and with the size of our universe, that would be foolish.

Sorry, I guess my comment kinda sounded that way.

I'd love to see the proof, though.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:03 PM
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22. The "proof" starts tonight.
We live in interesting times...
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:57 AM
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15. Okay... this is freaky! Do you have a blog somewhere?
Jennings read from a piece of paper, (supposedly a printout from a blog), last night on The Daily Show. It was practically word for word what you have written here!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:00 PM
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19. Jennings was just on The Daily Show joking about that
It was an example he used to ridicule "those whacky bloggers"
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:43 AM
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5. The UFO Mystery and The Covert Black Ops are related...
THAT is going to be the biggest revelation - the back engineering of legitimately "alien" space crafts (Roswell) and that most of the UFO sightings labelled as "unknown" since then are sightings of Top Secret Air Force craft.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:46 AM
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8. the question is ----- why now?
do they want america scared...is this a distraction or to be used as

a need for more weapons?

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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:51 AM
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11. it'll be a slow disclosure...
i think that maybe the "enlightened" members of the new world order are about to be rewarded by the militaristic "reptilian-brained" thugs, who always hold the power, for playing along with the War of Terror agenda.

just sayin'...

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:07 PM
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23. What an icke idea. (No pun intended, of course.)
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:28 PM
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30. there's a difference between "reptilian-brained"...
and reptilian...
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:26 PM
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29. See, that's the main thing that irks me: Living in a stage-managed world.
Is real Democracy that scary, that we have to be dumbed down by TV and told what is happening?

These people are impeding the progress of the human race in a disconcertingly successful effort to control it.

That really irritates me.
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:17 PM
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26. Perhaps this is why?
Snippets of the testimony of Dr. Carol Rosin:

"My name is Carol Rosin. I am an educator who became the first woman corporate manager of an Aerospace Company, Fairchild Industries... When Wernher Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too ill to speak. I did this.

What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics That was how we identify an enemy. The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had "killer satellites". We were told that they were coming to get us and control us-that they were "Commies."

Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third-world country "crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons. The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids- against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons.

And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. "And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie."

More here: http://www.mayanmajix.com/art742.html
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:51 AM
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10. I'm going to have to watch this.
Sounds fascinating.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:47 AM
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9. My personal bet is that the Jennings piece will either be
a disinformation piece or a whitewash.

Anyway, what do people around here make of Mack's stuff on alien abductions?
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:54 AM
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12. Jennings may surprise you tonight.
He was deadly serious on the Jon Stewart show last night - Stewart tried to crack jokes about "little green men" and was taken aback by Jenning's stenotorious demeanor.

Jennings hinted that this was going to be objective, contoversial and groundbreaking - this is the BIG MEDIA. They take their marching orders from above.

This will be a much bigger story later down the line - right now this is about the beginning of re-shaping the paradigm.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:55 AM
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13. Steven M. Greer: UFO Conspiracy Nut
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 11:59 AM by IanDB1
CSETI Promises/Threatens To Reveal UFO Secrets Soon

The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI), headed by Dr. Steven M. Greer, a North Carolina medical doctor--which should not be confused with the respected Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) Institute headed by famed astronomer Dr. Frank Drake--has promised (or threatened) to reveal the U.S. Government's (alleged) UFO secrets in the near future.

Last Nov. 15, Greer sent a letter-ultimatum to President Clinton, with copies to Vice-President Gore, Defense Secretary Perry, CIA Director Deutch and many other top Executive Dept., Congressional and Supreme Court officials. The letter stated that unless otherwise directed by Jan. 1, 1997, CSETI would conclude that "several dozen former and current military, intelligence and defense contractor related witnesses" would be free to publicly reveal the government's UFO secrets, including "retrieval of disabled extraterrestrial devices and extraterrestrial life forms."

CSETI received no reply by its Jan. 1 deadline from the President or other Government officials which challenged Greer's claims or indicated that the (alleged) witnesses were still bound by their secrecy oaths. So Greer then announced that "a meeting of such military, intelligence, government and corporate witnesses will be held later this winter." Greer claimed that "senior and reliable intelligence sources have stated that no response or interference would be forthcoming vis a vis plans for government witnesses to publicly come forward with their testimony." (Emphasis added.) At this meeting, according to Greer, these (alleged) witnesses will "meet with Congressional and other public officials to request open hearings within the Congress, so that they may testify openly about their knowledge and experiences related to UFOs/ETI. Should Congress not agree to open hearings, other venues, such as the United Nations or a private disclosure event, will be pursued to effect a public acknowledgement of the reality of UFOs/ETI."

SUN CHALLENGES GREER TO OBTAIN SIGNED STATEMENTS FROM EVERY "WITNESS" THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH BEFORE CONGRESS WHERE FALSE CLAIMS WILL MAKE THEM VULNERABLE TO PENALTIES FOR PERJURY. AND TO RELEASE THOSE STATEMENTS AT HIS UPCOMING CONFERENCE.

Skeptics UFO Newsletter -8- Jan. 1997

More:
http://www.csicop.org/klassfiles/SUN-43.html



Words Of Great Wisdom From A "Cosmic Messiah"

"As the old order of the world all around us is collapsing, and as a new order, however embryonic, is evolving, we stand at a point in history of great potentiality. These potentialities include, but are not limited to, the integration of human civilization into an interplanetary civilization; the development of means of communication and travel which will dwarf current human capabilities; and the exploration of a unity in consciousness which transcends both the relative differences amongst ourselves and between various planetary species. It is imperative that those who wish to join in this visionary, and yet practical, endeavor, continue to prepare themselves and their colleagues for further potential contact. Given a correct setting and an adequately motivated and trained group, it is our assessment that the possibility for an landing and on-board encounter is very high. While the precise timing of this is not known, we can discern that it is relatively near...

"It should be pointed out that goals of establishing working groups of individuals capable of significant Close Encounters of the 5th Kind has reached its ten year goal point in one and a half years...with vision and perserverance, we can create a new reality, a reality which includes the empowerment of humans to enter into a sustainable relationship with other planetary life forms....Of greatest importance at this time is the evolution of cohesive unified teams which are competent to fully participate in a high level Close Encounter of the 5th Kind, to include a landing and an on-board (and possibly off-planet) experience....To this end increasingly dedicated to sponsoring extensive training sessions lasting days, and in the future, hopefully weeks so that people will be adequately prepared...we must also appreciate that we are laying the foundation for a future interplanetary unity..."

This cosmic wisdom comes from Dr. Steven M. Greer, International Director of Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI), who aspires to become the nation's most prominent pro-UFO spokesman. A recent Greer pronouncement: "The time has come for the world to know that we are not alone in this vast universe. The era of excessive secrecy, which is so corrosive to a free and democratic society, must end."

More:
http://www.csicop.org/klassfiles/SUN-45.html


E.T. phone W
http://www.washtimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm

Taking advantage of renewed interest in "Star Wars," the space-based missile-defense shield supported by President Bush, more than 20 military, government and scientific witnesses will come forward at the National Press Club Wednesday to establish the reality of UFOs and the presence of extraterrestrial life.

"The weight of this firsthand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without a doubt the reality of these phenomena," says Steven M. Greer, director of the host Disclosure Project.

The nonprofit research organization is calling for open congressional hearings on UFOs, last held in 1968 by the House Science and Astronautics Committee -- titled a "Symposium on Unidentified Flying Objects."

More:
http://www.ntskeptics.org/news/news2001-05-07.htm


They're Baaaack! — the UFOs, The Wheel Is Patented, New Crop Wonders, The Soul Is Found, an "Extra" Attraction, Astrology Works, Angry Tice Fan, and Back to Matches....

There was a recent UFO conference held in a University of Colorado auditorium. Some 600 UFO enthusiasts were there to see a 2-hour video of "testimony" from former government and military employees about the existence of extraterrestrial beings and the government's monitoring of them. It's all part of Dr. Steven Greer's "Disclosure Project." The North Carolina physician is trying to get Congress to hold official hearings on the government's claimed interaction with aliens — the kind who regularly visit us from space. Greer says that as a child he saw a "disc-shaped craft" at close range and as a result began studying such matters. He thinks people from outer space are monitoring Earth, in part to scope out our weapons technology.

Some of the audience weren't too enthusiastic about the video, but for reasons you might not suspect. Maureen Murphy of Boulder handed out fliers inviting people to attend another nearby meeting, "The Alien Cover-Up," sponsored by the Allies of Humanity, a group with a somewhat different view. "We don't disagree with Dr. Greer on the disclosure agenda," she said, "we just disagree on the aliens' agenda. They're taking women against their will, they're taking the eggs, they're creating a race that will have an allegiance to the visitors." Either way, it's the end of the world as we know it, folks.

The UFO bunch is staggering from recent blows to its quaint stock of stories that is flaunted to scare us into believing that the aliens are underfoot and overhead. One of the most-flaunted stories is now not brought up much anymore. The famous 1947 Roswell case, in which a balsa-wood-and-mylar space craft is said to have plummeted to Earth outside of the small New Mexico town, has been pretty well discredited now, even in the UFO community. They needed a colorful conference to stay in business, and nothing gets more enthusiastic support that a conspiracy theory in which the evil U.S. government is concealing cosmic facts from us.

<snip>

This is nonsense, but typical of the shallow statements of these "investigators." Yes, "one or two witnesses" can give testimony to what they say they think they saw, but a jury and/or a judge has to decide whether these witnesses are reliable — not based entirely upon their employment or position! — and the jury or judge then makes an appropriate decision. Any top government official, with security clearance, and a Phd., in any "sensitive government position," can go to see David Copperfield at work, and then appear in a court of law and swear that David sawed a woman in two pieces with a buzz-saw. And they can really mean it. That does not mean that David sawed a woman into two pieces. It only means that a well-educated, honest, good observer with serious government credentials, sincerely believes what he or she saw. It says nothing about that person's expertise in other fields, their honesty, nor their eyesight.

More:
http://www.randi.org/jr/07-06-01.html







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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:58 AM
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17. The old epithet "Conspiracy nut"? How trite...
Now I KNOW he's telling the truth.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:56 AM
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14. I just thought of something. There has been speculation
going back at least to the Reagan years that the way to pull off world government would be to stage an esternal threat such as an alien invasion & rally the world to the cause.

This sounds just so incredibly Straussian/Orwellian that it makes me wonder--what with Shrub's international gallivanting & all...
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:02 PM
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21. Which way will we go?
Towards the light?

Or the darkness?



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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:08 PM
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24. World empire is a form of world unity, I suppose.
I vote darkness.
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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:58 AM
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16. No. I don't trust the networks.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:59 AM
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18. No foolin'.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:10 PM
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25. By the way--and pardon my cultural ignorance--
What network is this on, & when? I really never watch TV, even though we have satellite TV access.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:18 PM
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27. ABC - 8 to 10 EST.
theryago...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:21 PM
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28. Thx (nt)
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petron Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:39 PM
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31. why is this under the September 11 board?
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 02:40 PM by petron
I am confused.

on edit: Actually what I meant to say is: "Why was this moved from GD to here?"
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:00 PM
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32. Please see post 13 of the following thread...
Nervous DU administrators afraid that we will infect GD with our nutball ravings...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x33956#34354
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:01 PM
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33. Jenning's report - a big nothing
No position taken. He said, she said. Believe what you want to believe, but there's no proof.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:13 PM
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34. Some good, some bad...
He trashed Roswell as a myth, ignoring the fact that the Air Force's "balloon" explanation was five years off. Those balloons were deployed in the early 50's. This is the one story the Military Industrial Complex wants to keep below the radar, true National Security being at stake here. Jennings, a Corp Media "good soldier" will only go as far as he's allowed...

On the other hand, consider his last words on the show....

"Ultimately, only CONTACT will settle this issue."

Yep.

Contact.

Is "contact" considered discerning bacterial life on Mars, or an artificial moon around Saturn (ala Arthur C Clarke http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm)?

There's a reason a "mainstream anchor man" has never before dared to touch this issue.

Easing us, slowly, into the fact that old paradigms may soon be shifting.

But only at their their time and choosing.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:38 AM
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35. i watched -- thought it was pretty weak, but wonder if it might not
have something to do (in addition to shifting attention) with the possibility of visible proof that one of Saturn's moon's might be artificial:

Meet Iapetus:




can't think of any natural causes that would make a 12-mile high bisecting ridge around a moon.
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