Eberle a key 911 witness?

[Celebration]

This post was buried in that HUGE Gannon thread that probably a lot of people aren't following. Thanks to republicannincompoop for this gem. If this is true, I would think it would raise a LOT of eyebrows. How could a reporter not want more info on THIS?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3161296#3181375

http://www.libertythink.com/2005/02/gannon-paymaster-key-911-pentagon.html

I almost don't believe it. Too bizarre to be true!!

"One of the most vivid "eyewitnesses" for the official storyline that American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon is none other than Bobby Eberle, the founder of GOPUSA and Talon News; the man who paid to put Jeff Gannon in the White House."

Gosh I never look in the 911 forum. Maybe it was posted there. But if there are other people like me that never look in the 911 forum, I think it is worthy of at least a mention here, since this is where Gannon is discussed.

[mattclearing]

1. Yes, this is kinda fishy.

How many eyewitnesses are there, really?

You'd think there would be some non-classified video of the airspace that would put these questions to rest.

We have video of all the other airplanes...we saw them blow up hundreds of times.

This one is inexplicably classified, and the people who claim to have seen it happen are anything but objective.

[linazelle]

2. Well, GHWB was a "witness" to the Kennedy assasination...

I see a pattern here...:shrug:

[SmokingJacket]

18. Well... the difference is that it was random.

He just happened to be going past the Pentagon at the time.

He apparently had the best view of any of the witnesses.

It IS a surprising coincidence.

[linazelle]

42. Yeah...and GHWB just happened to be in Texas when Kennedy

was assasinated. Coincidences that repeat themselves become patterns.

[robbedvoter]

3. There were thousands of others as well - some DU-ers among them

[ashmanonar]

4. of the pentagon crash?

i'm sure there were thousands of du witnesses to the new york crash, but how many people live near the pentagon?

[MiniMe]

9. From a Washingtonian,

quite a few people live near the pentagon. The Pentagon is just off a major commuter route in and out of Washington, I-395. And I do mean just off the highway. Traveling back and forth on 395 after 9-11 I was easily able to see the damage to the building and the fire residue and the hole in the building while driving. The Pentagon is not in some secluded area, it is in Crystal City, VA.

[ashmanonar]

12. oh, ok.

i wasn't sure. i was under the impression that the pentagon was separated from washington, a bit. my bad.

[mattclearing]

25. I worked, and still work in the neighborhood of the Pentagon.

We could see the cloud of smoke out our windows.

No one I know saw the plane.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, or trying to push some of the more bizarre theories associated with this, but I would like to know why the Government classified surveillance tapes.

edited for typo

[DulceDecorum]

45. On the contrary

For the last three years I have diligently sought to find
ONE,
ONE SINGLE PERSON,
who is willing to tell me to my face
that they personally saw a plane hit the WTC.

I know SCORES of people who live in NY and NONE OF THEM
ACTUALLY SAW any plane hit.
And neither does anyone that they personally know.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON who saw a plane hit a building in NY on September 11, 2001
saw it on television.
As I have been able to determine,
NO-REAL LIFE PERSON WITNESSED A REAL-LIFE HIT.

However,
we have one person here
who tells a very similar story to that told by Bobby Eberle.

Yes. folks,
we have a DU member
who can also supply information to any investigatory body that requires it.
This DU member's story can be used to verify or debunk,
the testimony of one Robert Raymond Eberle
currently residing in Pearland, Texas.

[Hoping4Change]

21. Thousands of witnesses??? Please cite your sources.

[Al-CIAda]

22. "Thousands of witnesses" -yeah, right, lol -eom

[Hoping4Change]

24. Please cite your sources.Cite even one news report stating there

were thousands of witnesses.

[starroute]

5. Eberle's story was way too good to be true

According to his account, he was riding in the passenger seat of a convertible with the top down that was perfectly placed to have a front row seat of the crash. *And* he's a trained pilot and aerospace engineer.

That would be straining things a bit ever if it was Joe Nobody. But that this prime witness should turn out to be Bobby Eberle -- and that his should have been one of the first eyewitness accounts published, showing up on his website the next day -- really starts to pile up the coincidences.

When this came up last week, I checked a couple of websites listing and quoting Pentagon eyewitnesses. There were only about a hundred names altogether. Many of them just got a brief glimpse -- some seeing something from a hotel window, others seeing a plane flying low that they lost sight of when it went behind buildings. Only a handful said they'd had a close-up view from the highway, and only one woman described what she'd seen in as much detail as Eberle.

[burn the bush]

14. what was the womans name who gave the detailed account?

perhaps she needs a little google?

[starroute]

33. Here are the sites I looked at

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77pentagon.html

Penny Elgas is the other person whose account struck me as implausibly detailed, considering she said the plane was only in front of her for a "nanosecond." But there were a few others to claim to have definitely identified it as an American Airlines passenger plane.

I wonder if anyone's done a map showing the positions of all the witnesses, what they claim to have seen, and whether those accounts line up on a second-by-second basis.

[buddysmellgood]

6. Many heard it. Many saw something hit the pentagon, but few claim to have

seen it with the clarity of Eberle. In fact, there are eyewitnesses that claim to have seen something other than the flight 77 hit the pentagon. It's very muddy.
When you put together the string of improbabilities that one has to accept in order to believe the government's conspiracy theory, it becomes obvious we're being lied to. This Eberle business is just one more coincidence we have to swallow. I have to believe flight 77 hit the pentagon, but in no way do I believe the government's version of this. There is some dark shit at play here. I doubt it will ever come out.

[Just Me]

8. Yep. Dark stuff at play.

Very dark stuff :scared:

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

7. His I-Witness Account (is overdrawn...)

And his speeling is grate for someone with an angineering deegre!

Here he is on GOPUSA.com September 12, 2001:
As we slowly crept along in traffic at about 9:30 am, we rounded a bend and had the Pentagon in our sites -- right in front of us. We continued to listen to the radio to take in the latest news on what was happening.

Riding in a convertable with the top down, I then heard a tremendously loud noise from behind me and to my left. I looked back and saw a jet airliner flying very low and very fast. It's amazing what can run through your mind in just a matter of seconds. As a pilot, I can't help but look at an airplane and think about airplane topics. What I saw sent a shiver down my spine as I realized something was not right.

The aircraft was so very low -- as an aircraft would be on its final approach to an airport. However, if you have watched any aircraft come in for a landing, even though the aircraft is descending, it is angled up slightly. This aircraft was angled downward. In addition, landing gear would also be visible on a aircraft so low and so near landing. This aircraft had its landing gear retracted. Finally, an aircraft on final approach is traveling rather slowly. This aircraft sped by very loudly and very quickly.

All of this flashed in my mind as the aircraft passed from behind my left shoulder to in front of me. It was then that the other events of the morning crystallized in the realization that tragedy was about to occur. With all of these images spinning in my head, the only words that came out of my mouth were "Oh no!"

With that, the airliner crashed into the Pentagon and exploded.

I shouted to my friend whose view was partially blocked by a truck in front of us, "Oh my gosh! The jet just hit the Pentagon!"

Oh my gosh!

[yella_dawg]

10. Assuming the speed of the aircraft was 350kts,

the accounts varied somewhat, 350 is a good ballpark number, the aircraft traveled the last half-mile in just over four seconds. A hell of a lot ran through his mind in those four or less seconds.

[Vickers]

39. ""Oh my gosh! The jet just hit the Pentagon!"

This report filed by Beaver Cleaver for GOPUSA News Service, Copyright 2001.

:eyes:

[troubleinwinter]

11. Bobby Eberle is a GOP liar.

And admits "personal friendship" with Karl Rove on his GOPUSA website.

[flyarm]

13. THE DOTS. ROVE/GANNON/GOPUSA/M.BLACKWELL

CONNECT THE DOTS..MORTON BLACKWELL/ROVE/GANNON/GOPUSA


http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Leadership_Institute

Jeff Gannon and Karl Rove Attended the Same "School"; Or, "The Best Theory Yet for How Gannon Got Hired By GOPUSA and Karl Rove Got In Touch With Him"
By ADVOCATE STAFF
http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2005/02/cbs-speculates-that-karl-rove-was-jeff.html

CBS has put (once again) its credibility on the line and speculated that Karl Rove is the man responsible for bringing Jeff Gannon (James Guckert) into the White House.

Now, why would they say a thing like that?

Is it because Rove controls everything in the White House down to the lifespan of houseplants in the West Wing?

Or because it's a near certainty that, beyond the two men meeting at a White House Christmas party--as Gannon has already asserted--Rove and the ex-Talon News "reporter" have likely crossed paths on other occasions, too?

Well, let's see.

Karl Rove is a graduate of Morton C. Blackwell's Leadership Institute.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Leadership_Institute

http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/index_flash.cfm

So is Jeff Gannon.

Rove went to the Institute's "Youth Leadership School," graduating from that grist-mill of conservative quackery in 1979.

Gannon went to the Institute's "Broadcast Journalism School," graduating (to the extent $50 in cash enabled that "achievement") in 2003.


http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/03CAREERS/careers.htm

[burn the bush]

15. i wonder if the Leadership school taught it's reporter class prior to

JimmyJeff needing a degree. 50 dollars for the class is not believable either. Are they considered non profit? We need to get a hold of their tax info and see who is giving them money. I would hate to think that they are getting govt grants to train repug yuppies.

[SmokingJacket]

20. yeah, would they give ME a degree for $50?

Doubt it.

It's probably invitation-only.

[KharmaTrain]

17. Another Blackwell link...Novak!

In his ad, since vanished from websites, Blackwell claimed his "Broadcast Journalism School" were taught by reporters for Robert Novak. Hmmm...now ain't that a co-incidence as well.

A great connection and catch here. If there's a way to directly connect Blackwell's enterprise with Eberle's, I'll bet a lot of other dominoes will tumble.

[starroute]

34. Blackwell and Eberle both worked for Richard Viguerie in the 70's

Eberle worked for Viguerie's fund-raising operation under he started his own firm in 1974. Blackwell worked for Viguerie for many years until he founded the Leadership Institute in 1979.

And for whatever it's worth, it was Viguerie who founded United Seniors Association in 1991.

The weird thing is that all these people know each other and have forever. Viguerie and Eberle both came out of Young Americans for Freedom in the 60's. Blackwell was executive director of the College Republican National Committee at the same time -- and was succeeded in that position by Karl Rove in 1970.

So the problem isn't finding out if there's a connection. There are a million connections. The problem is finding out who's actually behind each of these current operations and who else is involved with them.

[Padraig18]

16. He was A witness, not a KEY witness.

There were a butt load of witnesses, and he was just one of them.

[Padraig18]

19. *crickets*

The lesson here is to never let facts get in the way of a good :tinfoilhat: discussion, I suppose...

:eyes:

[bin.dare]

23. padraig you are mistaken ...

... Eberle is a key witness because he was very close to the pentagon, was in a convertible car, is an "aero engineer". AND he is articulate.

[Cuban_Liberal]

26. He was one of hundreds.

His particular expertise is interesting without being material to the issue at hand. What he saw, hundreds of people saw.

[bin.dare]

29. not quite ...

... what makes him unique is his closeness to the pentagon. All the others were a good ways off, they saw/heard the plane but did not see the crash. He stands out as unique, which makes his subsequent identification all that more significant.

[Cuban_Liberal]

30. Splitting hairs.

At best, a slight incremental significance. The fact remains that LOTS of people saw the plane heading toward or hitting the Pentagon, or both. The fact that you may be able to identify it as an XYZ Model b16Q and I identify it as a 'big ass jet' doesn't amount to a hill of beans if we're shown a pic of the same plane and agree that that's the same plane.

[bin.dare]

32. no, no, you have the wrong slant on what i am saying ...

... here is some stuff from the recent xymphora posts that make my position clear:

"It was a beautiful Tuesday morning in Washington, DC. The sky was blue; the air was crisp; and millions of Americans were making their way to their jobs just like they did on any other day. But this was no ordinary day. In fact it was a day that would change my life and change the course of American history. On this day, September 11, 2001, I rode with the top down in my friend's convertible along the highway toward the Pentagon. As I listened in disbelief to the radio reports of terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York, I was snapped back into reality by the roar of jet engines only a couple hundred feet above my head. Flight 77 then crashed in front of my eyes in a fiery explosion into the Pentagon."

"With the Pentagon in sight, the roar of jet engines quickly filled the air. I looked over my left shoulder and saw the aircraft only a couple hundred feet over head. It was so loud and so low and so fast, and I knew in an instant that something was terribly wrong. I wanted to scream, but the only words that would come out were 'Oh no.' A few seconds later, American Airlines Flight 77 flew into the Pentagon and exploded in a burst of flame right in front of my eyes."

The author of these fine eyewitness statements? Bobby Eberle, President and CEO of GOPUSA. I have speculated that at least some of the witnesses to the crash of Flight 77 into the Pentagon were ringers planted by the conspirators. What are the chances that Eberle, whose name has come up prominently in Gannongate, was an eyewitness to the crash? Those who are so certain that the testimony of eyewitnesses means that Flight 77 must have crashed into the Pentagon, despite the enormous amount of physical evidence to the contrary, just might want to give their heads a shake and rethink things. If the evidence of the crash of Flight 77 is so goddamn clear, why did the operators in the Republican Party feel the need to gild the lily?

The deep politics aspect of the story is the connection between the White House, conservative e-mail harvester and fundraiser Bruce W. Eberle, and GOPUSA President Bobby Eberle. Bobby Eberle's eyewitness testimony of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon is the big break we've been waiting for, the first tiny window into the American conspiracy behind 9-11.
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_xymphora_archive.html

[Cuban_Liberal]

41. "Some times a cigar is just a cigar."

Sigmund Freud said that, and it's quite true. Lots of other people saw the same thing Eberle did, essentially--- truck drivers, plumbers, reporters for USA Today, etc. .

It's called a coincidence.

[Hoping4Change]

31. There is only one fact that really matters.

We wouldn't need to have this discussion about Eberle if the
Nexcom gas station's security video was released to the public.


"His gas station, open only to Department of Defense personnel, is the last structure between the Pentagon and the hillside that, hours later, would become a wailing knoll. "By the time I got outside all I could see was a giant cloud of smoke, first white then black, coming from the Pentagon," he said. "It was just a terrible, terrible thing to be so close to."


"Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film." -National Geographic (12/11/01)



Why hasn't this video been released to prove what crashed into the Pentagon? :freak:



http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/video.html

[NecessaryOnslaught]

46. Yada yada yada

get back to us when you actually post something with ANY substance.

[Must_B_Free]

27. We're seeing the exposure of inner operatives.

If you think this is all coming out because of "bloggers" you are naive... All this shit is residue of the dynamics of the inner politics going on in our leadership.

The blogs are being used to leak information with immunity - "oh we just 'happened' to find it."

What is going to happen is the story 911-iraq gate is going to be exposed as a conspiracy - it is effectively one in the same conspiracy.

What I can;t believe is that hese guys had the balls to go for this and tought that it wouldn't fall apart. I am amazed that they thought they could get away with this much.

[soulcore]

28. an interesting co-inky-dink indeed

just another one of the OVERWHELMING reasons people need to question there misconceptions about 9/11.

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. The question isn't what hit the Pentagon

The question is whether or not Eberle is really an eyewitness or is he just parroting the WH talking points.

Funny that a guy who doesn't even live in DC, would just happen to be driving around by the Pentagon, in a convertible with the top down. If Eberle doesn't live in DC, then where did he get a rental convertible? Or was he in someone else's car, in that case what's their story?

Sorry folks Eberle's story doesn't pass the smell test.

[Celebration]

36. exactly right!

A very strange coincidence indeed. At best he happened to be somewhere in the area and decided to use this to promote his name and the GOPUSA website. And if that is the case he is no better than the people who were trying to sell things from the WTC. And, at worst.........we can use our imaginations. There is NO WAY I believe his story though. Not that it couldn't be true.....I would say the odds are about 5000 to one against it, or worse, now that we have the benefit of knowing all about JDG.

[manna]

37. Some ideas

here's a piece from dave mcgowan

more here

--
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr68d.html

Possibly the most important subset of witnesses consists of those who provide explicit, realistic and detailed claims that a 757 crashed into the Pentagon after executing a high velocity, low altitude approach. We believe that, contrary to Hoffman's opinion, these accounts can readily be interpreted in favor of our argument that no such collision took place. This is based on the fact that there is almost total disagreement among the eyewitnesses, about the detailed physical description of the actual collision, as well as severe disagreements with the "official story" of the 757 impact as determined by the ASCE report. Out of 27 witness accounts which we classified as "explicit", we were able to identify substantial errors or contradictions in 24 accounts, or 88% ... we found a very high prevalence of elite insider connections among the witnesses who claimed to see the 757 hit the Pentagon, compared to other witnesses whose perceptions were more indeterminate. Out of the 27 explicit witnesses, 14 had what we would consider "deep" insider connections, while 24 of 27 worked for either the Federal Government or the mainstream media.
(more >>>)


So, taking all that into consideration, let me see if I fully understand the position taken by a number of 9-11 researchers: despite the wealth of physical evidence to the contrary, we should all defer to the Pentagon crash story told by the eyewitnesses, even though there are only a relative handful of them, and even though nearly 90% of them can't seem to get the story straight, and even though nearly 90% of them are either government operatives or their media bedmates. And we should defer to them so that we do not offend all the witnesses in the DC area who saw the plane -- which is to say, so that we do not offend a handful of government hacks and media whores. Do I have that about right?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I always figure that if I haven't offended at least a few government hacks and media whores, then I haven't really put in a good day's work.

[manna]

38. CNN Reported No Plane Hit Pentagon

see the video here, wonder why this just got found?


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/250205noplane.htm

CNN Reported No Plane Hit Pentagon

JAMIE MCINTYRE: From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.

The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.

Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn't happenm immediately. It wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed.

[WoodrowFan]

43. I love this

hundreds of people see a plane crash and that's proof that one DIDN'T!!! That may be the FUNNIEST piece of twisted logic I'd ever seen. I guess the gazillion fossels prove evolution is a lie? The millions of dead prove that the Holocaust didn't happen!!!


bye bye

[DulceDecorum]

47. And if you DARE

question those millions ....

And for those fossils,
some of us here know that the Leakeys have publically recanted.

And now, back to the Penta-lie.

[DoYouEverWonder]

40. Here's another report about 9-11

that was written by Talon News reporter, Jeremy Reynalds. Reynalds who lives in NM, was supposedly flying back home from LA that morning.

http://web.archive.org/web/20021225124405/www.bushcountry.org/news/columnists/jreynalds/c0901_America+under+Attack.htm

Now this account could very well be true. It could be true that Reynalds happened to be in LA on Tues AM flying back to NM. He claims to be working on a PhD from Biola Univ. I would assume he got there on Monday, for a half day's worth of work at the school only to turn around and leave 1st thing Tues AM. Okay, it's possible. However, Jeremy is also the director of the biggest homeless shelter in Albuquerque and is the father of 5 children. Plus in his spare time writes about right wing issues and does radio interviews. Since 9-11, he has also become a expert on terrorists who use the internet.

Even during the chaos of that morning, Wonderman Reynalds even managed to do some radio interviews for the new media describing the general mood at LAX and what was happening in general. How convenient that Reynalds was there to start steering the dialog in the right directions for the WH Propaganda Machine.

[HamiltonHabs32]

44. THEY MADE A MOVIE

about this... Check out this site Pentagonstrike.co.uk

makes you wonder...However there are several sites set up to debunk this video

[Lithos]

48. Locking

LibertyThink cites many well known hate sites as valid. These include American Free Press and LibertyForum

Lithos
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