How do we make peace with them?

[cknoch]

I recently read some excerpts from the al-Qaida terror manual in an article for a poly sci class I'm auditing at a local college. The professor challenged us to come up with a response on how to make peace with this group when they make comments like:

"Islamic governments have never and will never be established through peaceful solutions and cooperative councils," the terrorist manual says. "They are established as they always have been ... by pen and gun ... by word and bullet ... by tongue and teeth."

"Islam does not make a truce with unbelief," it continues, "but rather confronts it."

Please help! I'm at a community college in GA and the political leanings of my class are far from my own....

[rooboy]

1. How do you make peace with 'them'???

You're quoting from the AL QAEDA manual, dummy. How do they represent over 1 billion muslims?

The world's biggest Islamic country, Indonesia, is a democracy, by the way...

[sam sarrha]

2. It doesn't seem that any of the cults of Abraham have a very good track

record in history for tolerance for other spiritual faiths.

[DulceDecorum]

3. Wait till you meet his brother!

We have already referred, in Chapter 7, to the Nairi indicating the possibility that they may be the Neuri of Herodotus, a Scythian tribe. We also pointed out our belief that the Nairi is represented in the Scriptures under the name of Nahor, brother of Abraham and father of Uz (2). We had also analyzed the name and showed that its etymology was Turkish: singular Nair (Neur, Nahor) > 'n-air ('n-eur, 'n-ahor) > Tr. On-Ur/On-Gur/On-Oghur ("Ten Oghur"), a name given later to the Hungarians.
http://www.lostlanguages.com/urartian.htm

NEURI, an ancient tribe placed by Herodotus (iv. 1o5) to Ihe north-east of Scythia. He says of it that it is not Scythian, hut has Scythian customs. Every member of it, being a wizard, becomes a wolf once a year. The position assigned to their district appears to be about the head waters of the Dniester ~.nd Bug (Bugh) and the central course of the Dnieper just the region which, on general grounds, place-names, recorded migrations and modern distribution, appears to be the original location of the Slavs (q.v.). The wolf story again recalls the tales of werewolves so common among Slavonic peoples, and, there is much probability in Schafarik’s conjecture that the Neuri are nothing but the ancestors of the Slavs. (E. H. M.)
http://32.1911encyclopedia.org/N/NE/NEURI.htm

The best way to make peace with those people is to either
leave them strictly alone
or
to embrace them and their religion, since they are not given to killing their own.

[cknoch]

6. No need for name calling...

...I'm well aware of that fact rooboy. The problem that you have over looked is that with modern technology it only takes a small group like Al Qaeda to perpetrate devastating attacks. If we do not either hunt down and kill them all (which is impossible b/c of the funding governments like Saudi Arabia and their constant funding of madrasas and terror networks) or find a way to make peace.

Al Qaeda is not going anywhere.....so how can we stop them from attacking us? Can you bother to actually answer that question?

[DulceDecorum]

7. WHO is al qaeda?

And
WHY won't ANYONE in this government investigate them?

[rini]

10. you can't have an intellectual argument with

someone who has no ammunition. You'll never get an answer that does anything except make you scratch your head.

I'll try to give you my opinion but this will cause fireworks with certain people. Ok, here goes. Make them realize that any repeat any attacks on us will cause them such devastation that the invasion of Ghengas Khan will look like a stroll in the park and then follow through.

[DulceDecorum]

12. Fools rush in

where wise men fear to tread.

WHAT are these people supposed to do when "pre-emptive strikes" are launched against THEM?

HOW can ANYONE even KNOW WHO made the attacks when the administration REFUSES to investigate?

YOU are CREATING a PROBLEM if and when you call for the wanton slaughter of innocents and quite frankly, YOU are now the problem.

FIRST of all we need to find out WHO is responsible for these attacks.
Remember Osama?
Remember that Afghanistan is STILL under occupation despite that they had NOTHING to do with September 11?
Remember that Iraq had NOTHING whatsoever to do with September 11?
Who do you want to kill next?
AND YOU STILL DO NOT KNOW WHO DID THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/5388

[Darranar]

13. So you support massive genocide?

"Worse than Genghis Khan" is pretty bad.

[mikehiggins]

4. Peace with al-Quida

Simple.

Establish a council of Islamic clergy that would supersede the Congress, President and Supreme Court, and be immune to challenge.

Revoke the U.S. Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights, and establish shiaria (sp), the fundamentalist Islamic code of justice, as the law of the land.

Require the study of the Koran in all schools, and establish male only schools. Girls and women should be forbidden to attend school, and should only be allowed outdoors if chaparoned by a male relative and dressed in robes that cover them from head to foot.

That should do it.

On the other hand, you could hunt down and kill every al-Quida operative in the world, no matter how long it took or how much it cost.

Either way, we would have peace in our time.

[DulceDecorum]

5. Where is Osama?

and the CIA guys who recuited and funded him?

And as for establishing a religious system which is superior to the Constitution etc,
REAGAN DID THAT ALREADY
and THAT is why there is a war on terra and Islam.

Get your freak on at
http://www.ukar.org/gore10.shtml

And now back to the making of peace.
The problem is very long, tangled and highly involved but when you get down to the crux of the matter it is really very simple.

A man has two sons.
Who inherits?
The first-born who is not the the son of his wife but a surrogate she herself chose?
or
the second-born who is the son of his wife?

[LARED]

8. My two cents

when someone says

"Islam does not make a truce with unbelief," ... "but rather confronts it."

If you beleive they mean it, (I do) your options get slim real fast.

Pray they miss you in their quest for war, or fight back.

[DulceDecorum]

9. Islam, truth and unbelief

"Islam does not make a truce with unbelief," ... "but rather confronts it."

WHO said that?
Better check your sources.
http://groups.msn.com/DREAMERNINE9/yourwebpage8.msnw

BOOGA BOOGA
To help decipher the documents' contents, CNN commissioned three analysts to conduct an exhaustive review of the documents. The lead analyst -- David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security -- is an expert on nuclear weapons design and proliferation and has been a consultant to the U.N. organization investigating Iraq's weapons programs.
ISIS senior analyst Corey Hinderstein and Ron Wolfe, one of the nation's top Arabic translators with experience translating technical and weapons documents, assisted Albright.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/24/inv.al.qaeda.documents/


BOGUS
WASHINGTON, D.C.— Suddenly, Al Qaeda doesn't look so smart. Just yesterday, a Times of London reporter found a cache of plans, left in a Kabul home as the Taliban retreated, that included notes for making a thermonuclear device. The papers sent a chill through the Western world, since they appeared to indicate sophisticated designs for an atom bomb.
Now the online Daily Rotten says at least part of those documents photographed by the Times are taken verbatim from a "semi-famous" pseudo-document that has been circulating on the Internet for years. It's a reprint of a scientific parody called "How to Build an Atom Bomb," from the geek-humor newsletter Annals of Improbable Research, originally known as the Journal of Irreproducible Results.
In his report for the BBC, reporter Anthony Loyd held some of the papers up for the camera, giving a glimpse of documents the Daily Rotten now compares to the 1979 parody.
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1116-08.htm

And just so that you will all truly comprehend the
UTTER MAGNITUDE OF THE LIES
that you have been told,
here is the actual website of Annals of Improbable Research.
http://www.improb.com/

THIS is the type of work they produce.
http://www.improb.com/airchives/classical/cat/cat.html
And THAT is the reason why I cannot these Republican CNN pundits seriously.
CAN YOU?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Many of the hijackers are still alive.
Now,
if these Muslims can break the laws of physics like that
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html
AND remain ALIVE,
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
then surely they cannot be totally mistaken when they say
God is the Greatest.
http://www.nasheedworld.com/lyrics/imadrami/inahooalislam.html

Besides which, somehow along the line,
I have heard much more about Christians going to Muslim lands to raise Cain and recreate hell,
than I ever have of Muslims invading Christian lands.
Iraq is an EXCELLENT case in point.
And it appears that Syria is about to follow suit.
That is,
if a certain pretzel-fearing personage can convince the military
(aka the Praetorian Guard)
that they are much better off
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0803/14paycut.html
when their salaries are being spent by Halliburton,
http://www.forbes.com/markets/commodities/newswire/2003/09/12/rtr1080160.html
or other companies who gave money to the Bush/Cheney political campaign.
http://msnbc.com/news/986941.asp?0sl=-33

It appears that the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strikes
is just as successful as his exhortation to "bring 'em on."
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00195.htm

The REAL REASON WHY Saudi Arabia keeps being mentioned in discussions like this is simple and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with ACTUAL terrorism.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/decision/iraq2.htm
Saudi Arabia has oil and the USA is dependent on it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/01/bayon.htm
Furthermore,
Saudi Arabia is showing signs that it is tired of milking the US taxpayer,
http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/1275.html
and subsidizing the US economy
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/webspecials02/saudiarabia/day5/story1.shtml
and supporting terrible deeds.
http://www.soaw.org/new/type.php?type=8

The Saudis know that Saddam and Chavez were friendly towards each other.
They saw what happened to Saddam and they have seen what Chavez is undergoing at the hands of foreign insurgents.
They are very well aware of what the Bush Doctrine means to them.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/justify/2003/0812target.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,786180,00.html

Furthermore, Saudi Arabia is PROFOUNDLY ISLAMIC and does NOT support capitalistic forms of banking. In this aspect,
since Shariah forbids the giving and the collecting of interest,
the entire Islamic world,
together with millions of people struggling to simply pay off the interest on their debt,
agrees.

There has been much foolish talk
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0302/jkelly022502.asp
http://www.hvk.org/articles/1002/120.html
of seizing the oil fields of Saudi Arabia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2546209.stm

This is the basic argument of the wannabe thieves and murderers.

Those who oppose strong action against the Saudis — or against anyone else in the Middle East, for that matter — will no doubt take up their Gulf War protest cry: "No blood for oil." But if they really meant those words, they would be the ones agitating for an invasion of Saudi Arabia, because blood for oil is the gruesome equation that has ruled the Middle East for the past five decades — our oil, stolen by the Saudis and used to spill our blood.
The Saudis did not create their oil fields. The oil was discovered and drilled for by American, British and French oil companies. These firms were the rightful owners of the oil, and until the 1950s, their rights were mostly respected.
The Arab chieftains who ruled the region had no idea the oil was there and no idea what to use it for; they were still riding camels. But once the West discovered the oil and put it to use — running our factories and automobiles — the chieftains began to tax the oil. When that wasn't enough, they simply stole the oil fields, beginning with the de facto nationalization of the Saudi oil fields in 1950.
http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/columns/rt080702.shtml

Aaah, the cowboy spirit!
Kill the Indians and take their land.
Unfortunately for those Texas panhandlers,
Saudi Arabia is home to Mecca and Medina and any invasion of this nation will result in an instant eruption of global unrest.
This is further complicated by the fact that the Muslims hold the numeric and financial advantage
and quite frankly,
they don't care what happens just as long as the infidels LEAVE Mecca and Medina and the Al Aqsa Mosque alone.
Now, the overwhelming majority of the so-called Christians have made it understood that they are simply NOT going to wage a war against members of the Islamic community.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2765215.stm
Thus it is abundantly clear that should ANYTHING untoward occur within the borders of Saudi Arabia,
certain Doctrines will instantly join the Dodo.
Certain Doctrates will probably also go along for the ride.
This is clearly understood by all parties,
but
unfortunately for us all,
some of them are certifiably insane.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4736.htm

Al qaeda is the least of our problems.
They say that 3,000 died on September 11,2001.
On the Night of the Rangers, Somalia lost over one thousand of its citizens. By the time the oil-crazed Americans left,
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/15
about 10,000 Somalis had died at their hands.
During WWI and WWII hundreds of thousands of people of ALL nationatilies and faiths died.
Afghanistan has lost thousands of its citizens lately, as has Iraq.
Genocide continues unabated in latin America and the Middle East.

We all will die. Some sooner, some later.
Death, unlike dishonor, is inevitable.
But sometimes,
just sometimes,
all we need to do to avoid everlasting shame,
is to simply REFUSE to go in the wrong direction.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/youcanleadah.html

It should be clear that modern psychological operations, or PSYOP, is none of those things. On the contrary PSYOP is not unlike the public advertising that we are all exposed to wherever we go, every day, through all kinds of mass media. However the negative connotation that some people attach to the word psychological" prevents many people from recognizing the simple truth. Everyone knows that if you do not have a good product to sell, people will not continue buying it, no matter how much you advertise. The same applies to the points of view advertised through the use of psychological operations. Thus we have no reason to fear PSYOP, but we do have ample reason to respect it for what it can do.
http://www.psywarrior.com/psyhist.html

Listen carefully to the words that come straight from the Horse's mouth,
http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/
and use the brains that your God gave you.

[Dancing_Dave]

11. I would start by challenging the prof about WHERE THAT CAME FROM!

That "terror manual" sounds exactly like it was written by the CIA! Al-Qaeda were trained by the CIA and the myth of a large "Al Qaeda" army was developed to absurd proportions by with the help of the CIA. This little manifesto does not really express any widely established view in the Arab world, though with the U.S. bombing and occupying so many people, a number of frustrated young Arab guys can start identifying with it!

Get some better sources about what's really goin' on behind this sh_t. http://www.globalresearch.ca/ is a good place to start.

[Darranar]

14. Terrorism is a domestic problem...

work at improiving the bad economic and social conditions of the Arabs by stopping oil money given to tyrannical regimes combined with a humanitarian aid package for the area.