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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 08:51 AM
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Anthrax
Two quotes about the anthrax letters with some info that was all new to me. Like : 1) Archives being destroyed just 10 days before the first Anthrax letter was posted. 2) "Project Jefferson": the DIA was tasked to generate the next generation of Anthrax. By Rumsfeld. On Sept 9th 2001 they said they had succeeded.

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"(The) Anthrax — didn’t come from abroad, the trail led to door of Ft. Detrick and then it stopped. They realized from its DNA signature that it was Ames screen-which means U. of Iowa, which had an archive of all the known pathenogenic strains of anthrax….if you inhale it’s a lot more lethal…. People would order various strains from them in order to work on cures for it or work to weaponize it. Once they identified it as Ames strain, it would have been possible to go back to Ames and figure out which particular batch this came from and then that batch would have had a paper trail of who had ordered that batch, but 10 days before the first Anthrax envelope was mailed, (this was recorded by the NY Times, and this was called a "bungling" of the investigation) FBI contacted the U. at Ames and convinced them to destroy the entire 70 year archive. So, there’s absolutely no paper trail left. But there is information in the public record info about Project Jefferson and Operation Clear Vision, both running in year up to 9/11 reported on September 4th and 5th, it was a international scandal, USA was doing projects and experiments with chemical and biological elements that violated international treaties that the US had signed. They claimed that they had to because something similar was going on in Russia. Project Jefferson was first ordered by Rumsfeld when he came in to Pentagon, he tasked the DIA to generate the next generation of Anthrax. Anthrax should be genetically altered to be more resistant to the normal antibiotics (which was the case with this), and more weaponized, more distributable. …was weaponized at a level they had never seen. In other words, the earlier weaponization had gotten it down to 2 or 3 billion spores per gram, this was over a trillion spores per gram. It was a very lethal weapon. It couldn’t have been developed by some guy in a lab."

http://sanderhicks.com/judge.html ( 9/10 down )

"00:43:12:14 JOHN JUDGE: I think another major area that I didn’t mention is the anthrax attacks and they are (ignored by the) commission. They were never touched. The anthrax chemically and biologically analyzed goes back to something called Project Jefferson run by the DIA to create the next generation of anthrax with orders from Rumsfeld. They said on September the 9th 2001 that they had succeeded and then in October of 2001 the most weaponized and lethal anthrax ever seen shows up in the offices of the two major opponents of the Patriot Act, Senator Daschle and office.


00:43:53:01 And then also it shows up in Florida at the office of the tabloid, it kills the tabloid photographic editor in the headquarters down there who published the first picture of Bushs daughters being arrested on DWI. He´s the only one in the place that dies. And the other go to Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw, no friends of mine, but since we´re so far to the right those are the liberals ."
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:aj9UlTSZ9boJ:www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php%3Fop%3Dmodload%26name%3DDownloads%26file%3Dindex%26req%3Dgetit%26lid%3D16+%22project+jefferson%22+%22john+judge%22&hl=nn ( 9/10 down )
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 10:02 AM
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1. What the hell? Why on earth would the FBI want to destroy the anthrax
archives? Was there any reason given?

Moreover, if anthrax was sent to the Florida tabloid because they published photos of the Bush daughters being arrested, isn't this too obvious of a payback? Or is it so obvious that people won't even touch it? It seems this is either a smoking gun for who was ordering the anthrax attacks, or it is all a coincidence.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 04:16 PM
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5. according to the NY Times print edition...
the institute at Iowa State wanted to destroy the samples and called the FBI, which approved the move.

Are your bullshit detectors flashing red?

I expect the call was to Iowa State... "gee, interesting samples you got there. Gosh, you wouldn't want them to be stolen and used in attacks, wouldya? Maybe you should destroy them..."

"Are we allowed to do that."

"Certainly, we will approve YOUR DECISION."

Some of the samples were a century old! These were the original Ames strain!
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 05:46 PM
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6. Yes, that was in the article I found and I agree 100% with your take.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 10:18 AM
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2. The archive WASN'T destroyed 10 days before the first letter was mailed
Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 10:18 AM by spooked911
"The Iowa State archive was destroyed on Oct. 10 and 11, after relatively brief deliberations with the F.B.I., said Julie Johnson, an official in environmental and safety at Iowa State."

http://query.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F70E1FFE3C5C0C7A8CDDA80994D9404482

However it was damn close to when the Dashcle and Leahy letters were mailed on Oct. 9th:

"Oct. 9: Letters containing anthrax addressed to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Sen. Patrick Leahy are postmarked in Trenton, N.J. The letters bear the same fictitious "Greendale School" return address and are written in all-capital block letters."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1013anthraxchronology.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

Overall, of course, destroying the archive was incredibly stupid or even worse a blatent cover-up.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:02 PM
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3. Right
Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 01:19 PM by k-robjoe
Thanks for setting that straight.
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A question about something related. I listened to Webster Tarpley, and he mentioned this Senator who - in the eighties I think it was - stated that there is indeed a secret government in the US.

I never heard about this. After a little bit of google I found this :
""There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself." Daniel K. Inouye U.S. Senator"
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm

Questions : What kind of person was this Inoye? And does anyone know if a debate followed his statement?

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 05:52 PM
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7. Inouye has been a Democratic senator from Hawaii for 40 years
and I think he is one of the good ones.

That link is interesting-- I'll have to check it out more.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:09 PM
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10. sorry
Inouye was one of the seven Watergate committee Senators, back when Congress was still capable of genuine investigations.

In 86 he was the face of nominal integrity called on to chair the Iran/Contra hearings - which turned into a complete joke. This unwieldy "committee" had something like 35 senators and reps on it and the Republicans spent the time praising North for being such a patriot and apologizing for the investigation (Henry Hyde cut his teeth as a grade-a motherfucker on that one).

Inouye was the man constantly invoking closed "executive session" to shut up troublemakers like Jack Brooks and Henry Gonzalez (great men) and shut down discussion of the real issues (FEMA martial law plan and rehearsal "Rex 84", Contra cocaine pipeline, October Surprise, arms to Iran starting already in 1981 and not simply for hostages, the whole complex later known as Iraqgate, i.e. support for Saddam while also selling arms to Iran, etc. etc.)

When I. speaks of a shadow government he certainly knows what he's talking about, but he did de nada to expose it when he had the chance. The usual Democrat sidling away from the real issues and letting the crimes proceed despite the illusion of investigation.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 10:23 PM
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11. Good points-- thanks.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 04:13 PM
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4. Correct...
...and this is even worse. Destroying it before is circumstantial evidence of foreknowledge. Destroying it AS THE ATTACKS ARE IN PROGRESS is undeniable evidence of destruction of evidence and obstruction.

Don't forget Cheney's staff going on Cipro on 9/11/01... The MANY hysterical warnings that anthrax was next... the shut-down of crop dusting flights on Sept. 24 due to a supposed Atta-anthrax links... the therefore incredible "don't worry, it's a fishing trip infection" statement by Tommy Thomspon on Oct. 4, after Bob Stevens fell sick... the fact that Bob Steven's editor's wife had rented an apartment to Atta and al-Shehhi, raising possibility that the newspaper was investigating this link... followed by the admission that the Stevens case was an attack, the arrival of anthrax mail in New York, and destruction of the original Ames strain samples with FBI "approval" just as the letters are mailed to Daschle (head of the opposition) and Leahy (head of the judiciary committee)... even as they first raise objections to the text of the PATRIOT Act... in the end, Congress shuts down and goes home due to anthrax, immediately after passing the enabling, uh, I mean PATRIOT Act.

Here is a major data dump:

An example of "elusive information."

A is for Anthrax. Remember that?

(notes by N. Levis)

• Operation Clear Vision: reconstructing Russian anthrax bombs (1997-2000)
- State Department objected: violation of biowarfare conventions
"A bomb is a bomb is a bomb."
- Pentagon, CIA insisted, went ahead with research.
- Suspended by White House in 2000.

• Operation Jefferson (West Jefferson, Ohio: Battelle Memorial Institute) also under Clinton and Bush admins.

• Revival of programs under Bush administration.
- Supermarket terrorism experiment (how to make an anthrax lab on a mere $1 million budget - see article below).
- Judith Miller allowed to report from facility by Pentagon after French objection.

Next to Old Rec Hall, a 'Germ-Making Plant'

New York Times
September 4, 2001
By JUDITH MILLER
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/04/international/04BIOW.html

CAMP 12, NEVADA TEST SITE, Nevada - In a nondescript mustard-colored building that was once a military recreation hall and barbershop, the Pentagon has built a germ factory that could make enough lethal microbes to wipe out entire cities.

Adjacent to the pool tables, the shuffleboard and the bar stands a gleaming stainless steel cylinder, the 50-liter (53- quart) fermenter in which germs can be cultivated.

The apparatus, which includes a latticework of pipes and other equipment, was made entirely with commercially available components bought from hardware stores and other suppliers for about $1 million - a pittance for a weapon that could deliver death on such a large scale.

The factory was built by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, an arm of the Pentagon that works to contain the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. Officials said the project was intended to assess how hard it would be for a terrorist or rogue nation to assemble a germ factory.

• Sept. 11th: White House staff (Cheney's people) put on Cipro. (Judicial Watch filed case demanding clarification after AP article revealed this)

• Lexis reveals 300 stories with warnings about potential for anthrax attacks in the weeks between Sept. 11 and beginning of attacks (many cited by Ed Lake at his "anthrax investigation" site).

/ notes

The Congress that rushed through the USA PATRIOT Act nearly unread was the same Congress that was packing and rushing out of Washington because the leadership of the opposition Democrats had been subjected to an anthrax attack.

I consider this fact inseparable from any discussion of how the USA PATRIOT Act was passed. The chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Patrick Leahy, received an anthrax letter within days of questioning the original draft of the USA PATRIOT Act. The Senate majority leader, Tom Daschle, also received a letter at the same time. Soon after, both reversed themselves and dropped their objections to the legislation, which radically curtails the civil liberties guaranteed in the U.S. Bill of Rights.

By way of anthrax, Congress was terrorized and broken.

The anthrax attacks of October 2001 should have put an end to doubts about the "War on Terror" and the likelihood that elements of the U.S. government are willing to stage inside-job terror attacks on American soil. Instead the attacks have been forgotten, although at the time they were trumped up into something even bigger than 9/11.

Unlike the case of 9/11, the facts about the anthrax attacks are simple, clear and close to conclusive:

-The Bush government revived an anthrax program early in 2001 on orders from Cheney and had developed a new milling process just before Sept. 11. Incredibly, this was called "Project Jefferson" (!).

- A week before Sept. 11, the New York Times reported that the Pentagon was experimenting in the "defensive" development of anthrax milling methods. Government scientists were assigned to put together home-made laboratories, using only materials available commercially, on the sparse budget of a mere one million of your taxpayer dollars. When this was revealed, the Pentagon said they weren't actually taking the final step, of milling live spores (although I wonder why, once ready, they would not want to see how well their lab works). The idea of the exercise, supposedly, was to see what terrorists might whip together from store-bought items. The French got wind of this program and complained to a United Nations committee, since the biowarfare convention outlaws all research, including "defensive research." To allay these concerns, the Pentagon invited an NY Times reporter, our old friend Judy Miller, to the Texas base where the experiments were held.*
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/04/international/04GERM.html?searchpv=nytToda
y&pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/04/international/04BIOW.html

-On Sept. 11th the White House immediately put some of its staff, reportedly including Cheney himself, on Cipro. How did they know to pick this antibiotic, out of the many available? How could they guess that anthrax (or another pathogen against which Cipro can protect) was coming? This is the subject of a discovery suit by Judicial Watch: how did they know?**

-A wave of stories immediately after Sept. 11th announced that anthrax was the likeliest next attack. We were even threatened with a specific sequence of future attacks: anthrax, smallpox, plague. (They've been drumming up the smallpox scare ever since the anthrax attacks stopped.) Of all the hundreds of biowar germs and literally thousands of types of terror attacks, why was this idea circulated so prominently? Who was behind spreading these stories? Why so specific?

-Suspect Hatfill, while working biowarfare research at SAIC/Batelle Memorial in 1999, commissioned his colleague in science, William Capers Patrick, the renowned dean of American biowarfare research, to write a report on modalities that terrorists might employ in sending anthrax through the mail.

-The report from that study specified an ideal spore concentration and weight of anthrax sample per envelope. These were the amounts that were then reportedly used in the attacks on Daschle and Leahy. In other words, the anthrax attackers had access to this secret report.

-The anthrax went first to the headquarters of the country's biggest tabloid owner (National Enquirer and Florida Sun-Sentinel). The Enquirer had printed a series of anti-Bush "conspiracy" stories, including one claiming that McVeigh was still breathing after his execution. The Enquirer also published embarrassing pictures of the Bush twins drunk, which had gotten much play on Drudge and similar outlets. Was this an object lesson to the media? (Note: never established how it got to Bob Stevens; no envelope located; theory that it may have been spread from one floor to another by a vacuum cleaner .. or was he directly hit, via keyboard?)

-The wife of the paper's editor had rented an apartment to Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi. Was the paper going to do a story about this that would not have fit the official 9/11 line?

--At this point, the FBI on a request from Iowa State University allowed the destruction of a stockpile of original Ames strain samples on Oct. 13, days after the Bob Stevens case became known. Why?! This was a precaution?!

-The next group of attacks hit the New York media. The letters arrived just as the Afghanistan campaign began and caused maximum coverage of nothing but anthrax. For a vital week or two, both the Afghanistan campaign and the 9/11 investigation became secondary concerns to the media.

-At that point the FBI immediately called off one-half of the thousands of agents who were working on 9/11 and put them to work on anthrax. THIS IS VITAL: THE 9/11 INVESTIGATION WAS STALLED BECAUSE OF THE SUDDEN ANTHRAX MAILINGS.

-The third wave of attacks, the one that exactly fit the specifications of the secret paper commissioned by Hatfill, was sent first to Daschle and Leahy - the majority leader of the Democratic opposition in the Senate, and the Democratic head of the Judiciary Committee.

-The government said the anthrax powder sent to Daschle and Leahy had been put through a much more sophisticated process of milling to aerosolize the spoors, such as would require advanced technology from a state weapons program.

-This exceptional piece of constituent mail arrived at Daschle offices about a week after the USA PATRIOT Act was submitted to the Congress. Leahy supposedly received his weeks later on Nov. 17, due to it being lost in the mail. Leahy had initially opposed the Act, and requested clarification of its more extreme provisions from Ashcroft. Ashcroft never answered.

- Senate offices were shut down and Capitol Hill went into an uproar. For weeks, as employees lined up for doses of antibiotics, Hazmat and FBI agents poked around in the Senate.

- By the end of that month the Republican-majority House chose to run home. As they left, they cast their votes for the USA PATRIOT Act and its negation of the U.S. Constitution. As Republican Congressman Ron Paul has made clear, most of them did not even receive a text of the 300-page final version of the USA PATRIOT Act before they voted for it, let alone read it.

- The Senate soon followed suit, also approving USA PATRIOT.

- Reports told that Sens. Kennedy and Levin, two other liberals, had also received anthrax letters, although no photos of these letters were published.

- The notes included with the anthrax letters to Daschle, Leahy and Tom Brokaw tried to point the blame at Arab perpetrators, but these were clumsy and transparent. ("Allah is Great" instead of "God Is Great" or "Allah Akhbar.") They are written in block letters and look as though someone got a child to write them or wrote them with a pen in his left fist (assuming he's right-handed).

- The news at first wanted to blame it on Arabs, or Iraq. Why should that damned Osama bin Laden hate the Democratic leadership, as opposed to Republican leaders?

- Only days later did reports arrive of anthrax being found in mail to the White House, Pentagon, Federal Reserve, CIA, etc. All of their mail had by then been very safely isolated on military bases. No details about these alleged attacks have been released. We have not seen copies of the letters, as was the case with the letters to Daschle, Leahy and Tom Brokaw. There have to my knowledge been no follow-up reports on the provenance of the anthrax employed in these cases.

How strange how the first attacks, the only ones that had a chance to get through, went to the Democratic leadership!

- Suddenly, the anthrax wave stopped as quickly as it had begun. The biggest U.S. media story of October 2001 was effectively swept away. The media obediently switched to the taking of Kabul and spent November 2001 preparing us for a thoughtful Thanksgiving, with endless soul-searching stories asking how our country could have ever produced Johnny Taliban Walker.

- Anthrax has since been mentioned only rarely and out of context, as when Powell had the gall to hold up a vial of white powder at the UN and ask where Saddam is hiding his anthrax. Well, Colin, where are you keeping yours?

-All the foreign anthrax letters reported at various times in 2001 have been dismissed as white-powder hoaxes.

-It was established quickly that the anthrax to Leahy and Daschle was of recent production, with high-quality, weaponized spores such as can be produced only by a specialist at an advanced facility; and that the lineage goes back to Fort Detrick, Maryland and the Ames strain used by American biowarfare programs.

-For all this, the anthrax perpetrator(s) made an obvious effort to minimize casualties and target the letters very specifically to individuals. The same amount of anthrax could have been spread in a fashion causing many more deaths.

-Having gotten as far as Stephen Hatfill, the FBI investigation stalled. Hatfill has been a "person of interest" for more than two years, his house has been invaded several times by sniffer-dog teams, and the FBI even drained a pond near his house to see if he had grown anthrax spores in it; but no further progress has been reported in the investigation.

- Could it be that the "lone perpetrator" thesis is not sustainable, and they don't want to deal with the implications?

What can we conclude?

Unlike Sept. 11th, the anthrax attacks were a selective wave of terror. The confirmed letters, the ones that resulted in the deaths of six people, were targeted at specific individuals: reporters, news media personalities, and four leading Democratic senators. This was by design, there was nothing random about it. The perpetrators have not been presented and so we can only speculate about their motives, but there is no doubt about the direct and predictable effect of their design: the attacks were perfectly sequenced and timed to cow the opposition, force through the Patriot Act, make an exampe of deviant journalists, divert the 9/11 investigation, and frighten and occupy the media during the first phase of the Afghanistan war. The attacks provided important reinforcement in keeping these various actors from questioning the official post-Sept. 11th atmosphere of terror and panic. They were the key step in initiating the formal transformation of American society and law.

In simpler words, the anthrax attacks look exactly as though they were planned and executed by a black-ops or damage-control team working on behalf of the Bush regime's goals, either as rogues or as appointed hitmen. They may have hit Bob Stevens as a revenge job, they hit the media to shut them up, and they hit Daschle and Leahy to intimidate them into accepting the USA PATRIOT Act. We might compare the crew who were responsible for this to Nixon's Plumbers, except that they were more sophisticated and effective in their choice of methods; or, perhaps, they simply had better protection among their sponsors.

That is the hypothesis so far that best covers all of the above facts. In this case, there is no doubt which way Occam's razor cuts. Anthrax was almost certainly an inside job.

In fact, this is the thesis that many people subscribe to when speaking off the record in the the world capital of paranoia itself, Washington, DC.

And what has Daschle done or said about these facts? Are Brokaw and Rather really unaware of all this? They have chosen not to defend themselves against what are, in effect, attempts on their own lives.

This is the context in which we should view the Jan. 2002 call from Cheney, the premature Cipro-taker, to Daschle, the anthrax recipient. Cheney threatened Daschle of dire consequences if he should push too hard for a 9/11 investigation in the Congress. This single call led to a series delays in the Congressional joint inquiry of Sept. 11, which finally opened in June 2002.

Daschle - and Leahy, and all the other Senators including Kerry and Edwards - are so scared, or so compromised, or otherwise being blackmailed with other threats, that they have not risen to this challenge. I don't envy or accuse them, but how can you expect these guys to ever confront the Bush mob?

(*NOTE: What justification is there for programs like "Jefferson"? This program not only finds out what terrorists might do, it no doubt discovers ways to do it that they might not have thought of themselves. The government scientists gain the astonishing insight that there's fuck-all they can do to stop evil biology students from engaging in such activities if they so wish. And the program's results will be written up in a little "defensive" manual on how to make your own anthrax lab. One day, probably soon, that will end up in the hands of one of our freedom fighters somewhere... and a years down the line he or his successor will use it against the U.S., thus setting off the next round of "defensive" activity on our part. At least it's lucrative!)

(** Note 2: Interestingly, earlier in the year one Jerome Hauer took up his new job under Tommy Thompson at the Health Department, as the advisor for bioterrorism. This is the same Jerome Hauer who developed the West Nile spraying program and, ahem, the Office of Emergency Management on Floor 23 of WTC 7, during his tenure as a terrorism adviser to the City of New York. And the same Hauer who claimed to have gotten John O'Neill his last job, as counter-terror chief at the WTC, where he died on Sept. 11th.)

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A28334-2002Oct27¬Found=true

FBI's Theory On Anthrax Is Doubted
Attacks Not Likely Work Of 1 Person, Experts Say

By Guy Gugliotta and Gary Matsumoto
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, October 28, 2002; Page A01

A significant number of scientists and biological warfare experts are expressing skepticism about the FBI's view that a single disgruntled American scientist prepared the spores and mailed the deadly anthrax letters that killed five people last year.

These sources say that making a weaponized aerosol of such sophistication and virulence would require scientific knowledge, technical competence, access to expensive equipment and safety know-how that are probably beyond the capabilities of a lone individual.

snip

As a result, a consensus has emerged in recent months among experts familiar with the technology needed to turn anthrax spores into the deadly aerosol that was sent to Sens. Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) that some of the fundamental assumptions driving the FBI's investigation may be flawed.

"In my opinion, there are maybe four or five people in the whole country who might be able to make this stuff, and I'm one of them," said Richard O. Spertzel, chief biological inspector for the U.N. Special Commission from 1994 to 1998. "And even with a good lab and staff to help run it, it might take me a year to come up with a product as good."

Instead, suggested Spertzel and more than a dozen experts interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks, investigators might want to reexamine the possibility of state-sponsored terrorism, or try to determine whether weaponized spores may have been stolen by the attacker from an existing, but secret, biodefense program or perhaps given to the attacker by an accomplice.

SEE MORE HERE

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A28334-2002Oct27¬Found=true



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Following is interview with JOHN JUDGE (has a detail wrong: FBI was contacted by U of Iowa 10 days AFTER the first anthrax envelope was mailed, during the "Bob Stevens phase" of the attacks, and hence a smoking gun destruction of evidence! According tot the story the University wanted to destroy it, and asked the FBI if they could, and the FBI allowed this. Was front page of NY Times.)


"Anthrax - didn't come from abroad, the trail led to door of Ft. Detrick and then it stopped. They realized from its DNA signature that it was Ames screen-which means U. of Iowa, which had an archive of all the known pathenogenic strains of anthraxŠ.if you inhale it's a lot more lethalŠ. People would order various strains from them in order to work on cures for it or work to weaponize it. Once they identified it as Ames strain, it would have been possible to go back to Ames and figure out which particular batch this came from and then that batch would have had a paper trail of who had ordered that batch, but 10 days before the first Anthrax envelope was mailed, (this was recorded by the NY Times, and this was called a "bungling" of the investigation) FBI contacted the U. at Ames and convinced them to destroy the entire 70 year archive. So, there's absolutely no paper trail left. But there is information in the public record info about Project Jefferson and Operation Clear Vision, both running in year up to 9/11 reported on September 4th and 5th, it was a international scandal, USA was doing projects and experiments with chemical and biological elements that violated international treaties that the US had signed. They claimed that they had to because something similar was going on in Russia. Project Jefferson was first ordered by Rumsfeld when he came in to Pentagon, he tasked the DIA to generate the next generation of Anthrax. Anthrax should be genetically altered to be more resistant to the normal antibiotics (which was the case with this), and more weaponized, more distributable. Šwas weaponized at a level they had never seen. In other words, the earlier weaponization had gotten it down to 2 or 3 billion spores per gram, this was over a trillion spores per gram. It was a very lethal weapon. It couldn't have been developed by some guy in a lab. But on September the 9th, two days before the attack, the DIA held a press conference here in DC and announced they had developed the next generation of anthrax. Also, right on 9/11 the White House staff was told to go on Cipro. There was also a huge contract with Bioport, who put that out right before the attack. The Peace Center began when all this was a twinkle in some geneticist's eye.

SH: What are your conclusions about Anthrax?

JJ: Well, I think that this was another domestic terrorist attack that had the signature of US intelligence, or military intelligence on it. I think that that's where people have been reluctant to look.


-------- more anthrax stories in the week before Sept. 11:

U.S. Germ Warfare Research Pushes Treaty Limits

September 4, 2001
By THE NEW YORK TIMES
by Judith Miller, Stephen Engelberg and William J. Broad.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/04/international/04GERM.html?searchpv=nytToday&pagewanted=all

Over the past several years, the United States has embarked on a program of secret research on biological weapons that, some officials say, tests the limits of the global treaty banning such weapons.

The 1972 treaty forbids nations from developing or acquiring weapons that spread disease, but it allows work on vaccines and other protective measures. Government officials said the secret research, which mimicked the major steps a state or terrorist would take to create a biological arsenal, was aimed at better understanding the threat.

The projects, which have not been previously disclosed, were begun under President Clinton and have been embraced by the Bush administration, which intends to expand them.

MUCH MORE MUST READ

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/04/international/04GERM.html?searchpv=nytToday&pagewanted=all

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 05:57 PM
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8. I've always considered the anthrax attacks a clear smoking gun for
government involvement.

Great stuff in that post-- is the long middle section your own writings?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 06:13 PM
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9. yup, c'est moi
notes to an article I keep wanting to fucking do and never seem to get around to.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:51 AM
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12. Great post!
Makes me wonder though--the administration is now in the exact same slump it was in before 9/11. What fresh act of terror will greet us now?
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staticstopper Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 01:16 AM
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13. Why was that info released at all? Makes me uneasy for some reason.
Edited on Fri Apr-29-05 01:23 AM by staticstopper
It seems to me that since the matter was about national security, why couldn't they have the reporter not report his/her findings?

Like all these WMD hunts - over and over with the "none found" "they weren't taken to Syria" Why didn't they plant the WMD? And who was that guy who got up and asked that question to bu$h? he seemed glad the kid asked it.

And all the talk of forewarnings that went unheeded - for my own selfish desire to not have this guilt over my country that I was once proud of - why all the whistelblowing about how they hyped the pre-war threat that comes to nothing? Seems like Rove ran the numbers and realized that all that sort of info would be heard by the left and ignored by the majority of regular folks, thereby giving the impression that we have a free press, but in reality we are being managed in a scientific way.

Then there was Richard Clark's "explosive" testimony that did zip to harm bu$hco. All he did was make Al Queda seem like super naturally dangerous...wasn't his hair on fire or something? Nope that was Tenet, I forgot...

Has anyone tried to link Jeffylube to those weird white vans roaming around during the DC sniper case? He was working for a auto painting co, no? Was he ever in Virginia or New Jersey for that matter? And didn't an FBI women get killed? Sibel Edmond did say that the FBI is all CIA now that they have culled non-believers.

Sorry but I'm pinning all my hope on Gucki being the thread that unravels the whole evil cabal.

I'm sick of hearing all this stuff and nothing ever being done to lay a glove on these freaky radicals running the government...we can't even get the votes counted correctly to vote them out.

:argh:
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 08:43 AM
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14. Great post. One more thing :
( Maybe not to add in the article. But worth mentioning here. )

"November 14th, 2001

Loeb Professor of Biophysics and Biochemistry DON C. WILEY disappeared during a business trip to Memphis. His dead body was found almost 6 weeks later. The FBI, not investigating until then, changed a police report from "suicide" to "accident" "

(...)

"November 2001 to March 2002 :

At least 11 BioScientists died, some of them within days or weeks under strange circumstances. 911 sceptics claimed, some of them had been killed, because they probably knew, who was behind the attacks or even had been involved."

http://www.rense.com/general25/anthtime.htm
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