OK I am running here on the assumption of total government complicity.

[hang a left]

Just how many people had to be "in the loop" as one would say to pull off 9-11. Now I am not talking about people that after the fact realized how they were used and for what purpose. I am talking about the perps who had foreknowledge and an active role in making all the pieces come together. From the top of the food chain all the way down.

I would like this thread to be focused on the people that had to have parts in the play. I would suspect there are hundreds.

Anyone care to play?

[slaveplanet]

1. I wouldn't say hundreds

It could be done with less if heavy compartmentalization were used.

also, I think the Ptech software was key.

It would be hundreds possibly thousands that knew after the fact...But the combination of unfortunate accidents, arrest, threats, payoffs, fear, intimidation & ignore could put a big chilling effect on those without too much trouble.
The planning must have been at least a decade in advance.

The MSM seems like the hard part to get to play along, But from what I've witnessed over the last 3 years of the MSM, their complicity is not so far fetched.

[philb]

2. Actual direct involvement could have been small number for some scenarios

but it appears that a much larger number are involved in the cover-up for what ever reason. The fact that there are so many in this administration who are strong ideologues might inhance the ability to maintain a cover-up of fairly large numbers of people. And it appears the Media has gone along in large degree for some reason. Why?

There was a lot of testimony at the 9/11 Commission and other known evidence that contradicted most of the 9/11 Commission Report scenarios, timelines, etc.
Yet the Commission Report was allowed to not include or discuss large amounts of credible testimony by government officials with a direct connection to 9/11 events that contradicted the Commission report time line. That there is a a huge cover-up is extremly obvious from the evidence imo, so what explains the extent of those going along with the cover-up?

http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html
Dr. Grifin's book, chapters 11-16, etc.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html

[philb]

3. That the evidence directly implicates Cheney seems clear to me

Here is just one set of evidence re: Flight 77/Pentagon. There's a lot of other evidence as well. Does anyone think that there might be an explanation other than complicity?

There is considerable evidence contradicting the 9/11 Comm. Revised time line and scenario.

1. Journalist Tom Flocco reported in 2003 that Laura Brown of FAA said that a phone bridge between the FAA and Charles Leidig of NMCC had begun between 8:20 and 8:25 after Fl 11 was known to be hijacked. This conference call was begun as a significant incident call after Fl 11 was hijacked but was upgraded later to an air threat call dealing with all “planes of interest”. A source at the Dept. of Transportation confirmed the 8:25 time period for the bridge call between NORAD, Secret Service, DOD, and DOT.
Tom Flocco stated his opinion that after talking to several parties, he is convinced the call started at the earlier time]
2. Laura Brown(senior FAA official at Boston Logan) (memo of May 23, 2003) The FAA and military and NORAD had been in constant communication from just after the first WTC crash and prior to the WTC2 crash(since approx. 8:50) Many sources confirm this call and that they were talking about “all flights of interest”.
3. Matthew Wald, NY Times published story supports the Laura Brown version of the call. It reported that according to his sources: “During the hour that the Fl 77 was under the control of the hijackers, up to the moment it struck the west side of the Pentagon, military officials in a command center on the East Side of the Pentagon were urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do” (the command center is the NMCC and air traffic control is FAA)

4. Statement by Captain M. Jellinik, NORAD command director on 9/11, According to news reports quoting him, a bridge call between NMCC, NORAD, and FAA began just after the first strike on the WTC, consistent with the time of the original Laura Brown memo.
5. According to a report by Richard Clark, National Security Coordinator: He reported that the deputy director of the White House Situation Room told him at 9:15 that they had been on the air threat call with NORAD and FAA. This call had been going on a considerable time as it had begun as a significant event call and had been upgraded to an air threat call, and there had been many exchanges of information. According to Clarke, the FAA head Jane Garvey was at the White House teleconference answering questions about the hijackings before 9:20 am. The Commission report said that it could not determine who from DOD participated in the teleconference with Clark and the FAA; however Richard Clarke had testified that Gen Myers and Donald Rumsfeld and Jane Garvey were on the call. Others confirm this.
6. Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation, said he met with Richard Clark who was on a conference call before going to the White House PEOC room to meet with V.P. Cheney at 9:20. So Clark was on the conference call by 9:15.
7. Norman Mineta, Sec. of Transportation, testimony before 9/11 Comm.: on a meeting he was at with V.P. Cheney at the White House PEOC that he arrived at about 9:20:
“During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out”; “The plane is 30 miles out” ; And when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out” the young man said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”

Does anyone think that there might be an explanation other than complicity?

and note Rumsfeld and Myers are reported to be listening to the teleconference dealing with the plane which included the FAA's Jane Garvey.

http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html

[Dancing_Dave]

11. Well, I have to agree with you again, Philb!

You always seem to have something crucial and well-informed to contribute to this forum! :yourock:

[mirandapriestly]

4. I've just started "Crossing the Rubicon" by Michael Ruppert

and he says that he has figured out that about 2 dozen people were involved, but I have not got very far in the book. I wonder about certain New York city officials and fire fighters, etc. If there were explosions, people had to carry that out. Also Larry Silverstein, the owner of the buildings, what was his part in all of this?
Two dozen seems a little low to me, but he has done a comprehensive look at the reasons for 9-11, and I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. The book is 700 pages so I won't know who all these people are for awhile! Maybe someone else has read it?

[stickdog]

5. I'd say that no more than 25 that were DIRECTLY involved are still alive.

That's what's "great" about 9/11 and it's aftermath. The deaths of dozens of others who were directly/indirectly involved could have easily been "explained" by the events of the day and the days that soon followed.

[hack89]

6. Are you assuming controlled demolition of the WTC?

If so, it would appear to me that transporting, installing and concealing all those explosives would have required a small army to do it in a timely manner.

[stickdog]

8. If so, the army's last day of work on the WTC was 9/11.

And somebody locked the door on them on the way out.

[hack89]

9. I don't understand your response...

If there was an army of workers rigging the WTC for demo why did none of the survivors mention them? Care to elaborate on how you think the WTC were rigged for demo?

[stickdog]

16. They were dressed as regular maintenance men from about 8/1 - 9/10.

Then they all came in for final preparations on 9/11, and somebody locked the door.

[philb]

14. As noted by analysts official story isn't plausible explanation so what

do you suggest?
One analysis of the possible scenarios is
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
and there are others that reach similar conclusions
www.flcv.com/911new05.html

The case for complicity of officials is very solid so I think that is what most of the effort should be directed towards.
Evidence such as the following needs to be further discussed, firmed up if there are any problematic details, and more people need to be made aware of the evidence- such as contradictory testimony to the 9/11 Commission.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x41194
http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html

[demodewd]

15. maybe

Maybe they took five years to get it ready.

[dbeach]

7. Numbers are difficult to guess...

rather who benefitted from 9/11??

politicians.
airlines
defense industry
corporations
wall st.
pentagon

seems the higher echelons had the inside info while the drones carried out the work..many not knowing of the actual agenda..
so its done in layers like a spy ring..each working for the same goal..yet not knowing of the others

then there was financial piggybacking wheras one element hearing of the crime..figured out lots of money could be made..The insurance on WTC and Dulles airport would be an example particualary cuz
Marve Bush had stock in these contracts which he sold in 2000 WHICH COULD BE CONSIDERED HIGHLY SUSPECT IF THE USA WAS LIVING IN REALITY
[most are not}

[Christophera]

10. GOV. Infiltration, Corporate Complicity and Secrets

I happen to know that we, Americans have been seriously deprived for a very long time of information that would allow us to know how the secrecy works that was in place to set this ruse up over a very long period of time.

We have lots of reasons to be angry but that really won't help us.

I'm serious with this. We can get much furthe, quicker without anger.

If we knew how the secrets were created and maintained that got us to whre we are we would have a lot less malice.

It is my understanding that our government has been infiltrated. The same infiltration has fingers in the corporate world, many of them. More than government. Key positions in government have been usurped and keep the quality people in government afraid of taking corrective action.

It is up to the American people to unify in their perceptions of exactly what happened and choose the most strongly evidenced act with the greatest complicity and focus on our fellow Americans, the ones that will not look at the reality here.

It is time for a payback on the FLAG ABUSE following 9-11. The flag wavers ignore TRUTH, Let's rub their face in it for a while.

For now, forget government, it is totally unresponsive due to the infiltration. Media, focus on media. Check my page here;

http://algoxy.com/psych/optimize_for_peace.html

Where strategy is offered that will organize us to become unified. After that, well, ............ it's basically a done deal.

WE ARE MANY, they are few.

email me if you understand.

[e-mail]

[Dancing_Dave]

12. 9-11 FLAG ABUSE ignored Truth!

Right on, man! :yourock:

[Christophera]

18. Notice, Since 9-11 Flags Remain Up All Night

The respect for the flag has fallen since 9-11. Some leave them up all night, others fly too large of a flag. Flags are tattered and flying.

All this is is overshadowed by the false patriotism, FLAG ABUSE, used to IGNORE TRUTH and conduct illegal wars.

[demodewd]

13. re: media

Media, focus on media.

I agree with this.

[dbeach]

17. FLAG ABUSE! Its a classic!

My pal is WW II vet who jumped on D-Day and is a loyal Dem..

He says bush wrapped himself in the flag that he NEVER served nor honored .My pal is 87 yrs young and a walking genuine HERO
and True Patriot plus he sees through the pomp and cirumstance of the bushevik porno prapaganda machine .He speaks his mind and one of his favorite lines is: "Who is bush to tell me ANYTHING??I served ...he did not"