The Generator Trailer at the Pentagon-- What Caused the Damage?

[spooked911]

There's a large hole in the fence.

The left hand section of the generator is caved in on top.

Also there is a very small gouge on the top right of the generator (the arrow with "2"):


This picture shows the layout of the trailer and where the plane hit.

The generator trailer is number 5-6:


This picture is large but shows the damage very shortly after impact.

You can see the circular hole in the fence.

The generator trailer is in the lower left hand corner:




Okay, so in terms of the official story, the only thing that could have realistically hit the fence and the trailer like this is the starboard engine.

It is hard to know for sure, but it looks the trailer was knocked askew (knocked to the right) by the impact.

Certainly, if an engine hit the trailer, it would have been a hard blow.

How on earth could this have NOT severely interfered with the plane's path?

Wouldn't this impact have also knocked the engine off?

How could the plane keep going in the same trajectory after this fairly substantial impact?

I honestly don't know what happened here.

If anyone can explain, please chime in.

[hack89]

1. Here's a possible answer

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

Scroll down

[spooked911]

3. I've seen that and they don't answer my questions.

Why wouldn't this impact knock off the engine or deflect the plane's path somehow?

[philb]

8. Here's the problem I have with this site

I don't think the reason given for not releasing info on the black box information is credible or reasonable.

Why have they not released the gas station and hotel and Pentagon west wall videos?

Its clear a cover-up is going on. So the question is why?

[ROH]

2. This link...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

suggests that: "The generator was hit by the right wing and engine before the 757 hit the building ..."

[spooked911]

4. Yes, that is the official story but it doesn't add up

Where exactly did the engine hit?

[greenman2]

5. the trailer, a much bigger problem...

there was a trailer AT the POINT OF IMPACT.
not just the generator !
(#1)



this was demolished, only 1 scap remained...




http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305614.shtml

the trailer in fornt of the pentagon was confimed by witnesses and the asce report
its also on the satalitte photo, and on this photo Aug25 01


Witness statement...
Mickey Bell, an electrical contractor's foreman was working to
renovate the second and third floors. Outside, and less than 100 feet
from the initial impact of the plane, he was very nearly struck by one
of the wings as they sped by him. He had just left the project trailer
(that exploded) when he heard a loud noise. The next thing he recalled
was picking himself off the floor, where he had been thrown by the
blast
http://www.necanet.org/whats_new/report.cfm?ID=1003
actually in that link, he doesnt say exploded.

BUT, in this one he does...

this was compiled by Ron Harvey and Steve Riskus.
I emailed Riskus who said he didnt know anything about a trailer exploding, right after i emailed him, the page went down.
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/identification.htm
i saved it here...
http://analysis.batcave.net/trailer.html

in doing any kind of physical analysis of the crash, one has to take this trailer into consideration.
few investigators have.
its mentioned on 911strike...

several pics of the genny...
http://pentagongenerator.0catch.com/ (pop ups)
If the right wing (not the neo-cons) of the plane hit the genny, then it could not have done damage to the bottom floor BEHIND the generator, this would have been the path.
the genny was a good 12 ft tall.
the damage was at ground level.
do the geometry.

more
http://investigate911.bravehost.com/trailer.html

Brad
http://911review.org
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/bradm/911index/pentagon.html

[greenman2]

6. the trailer large...

here you can see the rectangle shape at the bottom.
this is the frame.
the large peice of debris on top is what is left of it.
this is about where the left wing root would have hit.
the wing root, is one of the stronger parts of the plane, but there is no wing root in this photo.
If the left wing (not greens or surely not the dems)
hit the pentagon at ground level, and did the damage shown, how did it hop over this piece ?

same problem with the genny.
the geometry doesnt work.
simple as that.

[spooked911]

10. You're exactly right and welcome to DU!!!!!!!!

[seatnineb]

13. Good to see you here Greenman!

According to this witness.....

The planes right wing flew over that first trailer.

The plane's left wing actually came in near the ground and the right wing was tilted up in the air. That right wing went directly over our trailer, so if that wing had not tilted up, it would have hit the trailer. My foreman, Mickey Bell, had just walked out of the trailer and was walking toward the construction entrance
Jack Singleton.

[philb]

7. here is the description of the damage to the generator

Closeup of generator smashed in the front and gouged on the top - hard to image a missile accomplishing both of these. But if the right engine of a 757 hit the front of the generator, part of the wing could gouge the top. At the very least, something very large, and very heavy smashed into this extremely heavy desil generator.

Click the image on the left to view a large top-down image of the impact area, including the large desil generator which is visibly damaged, and actually spun ~45 degrees from the impact! Most importantly it is spun ~45 degrees towards the building - if this was a missile or a bomb, the explosion could ONLY have spun it away from the building.

[greenman2]

9. missile ?

if this was a missile or a bomb, the explosion could ONLY have spun it away from the building.

there were at least 2 large explosions, i believe the trailer was one.
i think there was something explosive in it.
The genny itself may have exploded from the fuel fire, or something in front of it, pushing it back.

it seems everone that even considers it not being a 757 goes with the missile theory. i dont know if i do, it may have been a bomb.

if you look closely at ALL the photos on the gererator page, and put them in a timeline, it looks like the generator was moved over night, and i cant confirm that the notch at the top was there on sept 11th.
many of the pentagon photos were taken on the 12th-13th.
it burned for days.
Ralph (an airline pilot) convinced me that the genny was moved.
i have serious doubts about that notch. its too clean.

you might be able to find it on his site...
http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm

The supposed path, puts the engine going through where the fence is down on the large photo above, and puts the notch being hit by the bottom of the wing.
]still the same problem, a 12ft tall generator, and damage on the botom floor, not to the second

the cbale reels are the same problem.
for the belly of the aircraft to go over the cable reels(~8ft), that puts the wings about 15ft above ground.
if one wing was lower, then the other was higher.
either way, at least one would have hit the second floor...
boeing specs and trajectory...
http://757.batcave.net/

[spooked911]

18. Good points. I personally wonder though if the damage on the second floor

off to the right of the main hole-- if that could have been caused by a secondary device-- missile or bomb. I can't see the plane's wingtip damaging the facade so heavily, and that's the only thing that can have hit there.

I notice the hole in the fence sort of lines up with this damaged area as well.

[spooked911]

11. Problems with the official version

As you can see, several things happened with this generator:
1) There is a large hole in the fence, right at ground level, and two fence poles are knocked inwards, flattened on the ground. The hole in the fence is about the size of a 757 engine.
2) The top left hand side of the generator is crushed. The impact was severe enough to start a fire-- and in fact, this is where much of the smoke comes from in several pictures of the Pentagon impact.
3) The generator was apparently pushed AWAY from the path of the engine, because the posiiton of the generator is not in line with the engine's official path, plus this overhead shot shows a previous orientation of the trailer.
4) A deep gouge was made in the top of the generator, possibly by the outer flap track fairing.

The problem is: NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE!!!

1) How can the fence be crushed in right at ground level, but only the top of the generator be smashed?

2) How can the engine of a plane impact this generator severely and not dramatically alter the plane's course or at minimum knock off the engine?

3) As Killtown explains (scroll down), the bottom of a 757 engine (which is what supposedly hit the generator) is several feet below the wing track fairing. A 757 wing and engine could not have produced the damage pattern on the generator.
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/debunking/generator.html

4) How could the engine push the generator away but still make the gouge in the top? If the engine was pushing the generator away as it was impacting, wouldn't the gouge be crooked instead of a straight line? This really doesn't make sense.

5) The smashed in top of the generator isn't in the shape of a 757 engine-- it is not round.

From this evidence, I have to conclude the following:

1) A 757 engine and wing track fairing did not produce the damage on the generator. It must have been another type of plane, with a different engine configuration.

2) There must have been SOMETHING ELSE that flew in behind the plane and knocked the fence in and pushed the generator away from the approach path.

Could there have been two planes that went in? Or a non-757 plane followed by a missile?

This latter idea might explain some things, like why the security camera video is severely edited and a missile might explain the exit hole. But this isn't entirely satisfying either.

I welcome any suggestions.

[demodewd]

12. re: veering off

The trailer was so close to the building,I wonder if the plane or object that hit it would have had the time to veer off its course as you say.

[fll03]

14. The generator is said to be heavy; if the engine had hit it would this

have caused the jet fuel to explode?
the wing/engine to be torn off the plane?
to disintegrate?


what would it take to cause the jet fuel to explode?

[demodewd]

15. a decent answer

a bomb.

[spooked911]

17. Good questions. I would think the impact would loosen the engine off its

moorings and might even break it off. The engine may have continued on the same path as the plane before reaching the wall and then who knows what happened when it reached the wall. The engine might have exploded at the same time it impacted. The time frame was so short, that not much could have happened before the engine hit the wall.

The generator caught on fire and burned heavily-- it was the source of much of the smoke in many of the post-impact pictures.

[spooked911]

16. Perhaps not. Actually at least one witness said the plane's wing hit the

ground and then it crashed. I wonder if this is what they were referring to. The impact should have altered the bank angle of the plane (i.e. from starboard wing down to starboard wing up), even if it didn't alter its course.

[spooked911]

19. If you look at this picture, the damage to the generator does not look at

all like what an engine would do:


The damage is sort of flat-- like the edge of a wing carved it out.

Or maybe a bomb was planted there and blew off the top of that part of the generator.