Another 9/11 Mystery - Late Night Meetings

[paulthompson]

Here's another new timeline entry I just made. Any theories what they were doing?

San Diego Neighbors to Hijackers See Mysterious Late Night Visits and Car Rides
While Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar live in the Parkwood Apartments in San Diego in early 2000 and then again before 9/11, neighbors note unexplained late night car rides and visits. Time magazine reports that a neighbor, "Nancy Coker, 36, saw them getting into limos late at night, even though the car that neighbors said they drove was a gray Toyota Camry, early '90s vintage. 'A week ago, I was coming home between 12 and 1 a.m. from a club. I saw a limo pick them up. It wasn't the first time. In this neighborhood you notice stuff like that. In the past couple of months, I have seen this happen at least two or three times.' " Note the comment, "a week ago," which is further evidence the two are living in the Parkwood Apartments again just before 9/11. (Time, 9/24/01) Keith Link, a neighbor with a view of one of the apartments, referring to one of the two of the hijackers, says, "People later in the evening would come and pick him up in really fancy nice cars, brand-new Lincolns. Everybody is friendly in this whole complex, except for that guy. Nobody knew him, nobody spoke to him." Another neighbor, Sharon Flower, says, "I would see this man being picked up or dropped off at all hours of the day or night." (San Diego Union-Tribune, 9/15/01) A similar pattern is seen by neighbors when the hijackers live with FBI informant Abdussattar Shaikh in the neighborhood of Lemon Grove in late 2000. Neighbor Dave Eckler later explains, "There was always a series of cars driving up to the house late at night. Sometimes they were nice cars. Sometimes they had darkened windows. They'd stay about 10 minutes." At the time, Eckler guesses they are selling fake IDs. (Time, 9/24/01) Neighbor Marna Adair says, "People come and go at all hours. We've always thought there was something strange going on there." Her daughter Denise Adair adds, "We thought it was a little weird, but we never thought this (i.e., the 9/11 attacks)." (Associated Press, 9/16/01 (D)) There has never been any media speculation as to the meaning of these last night rides and official 9/11 investigations have never mentioned the issue.

[medienanalyse]

1. did they say "middle-eastern" faces or outfit ?

No.

Imagine: Saudi princes in fancy cars. No. They were not seen. What was mentioned were the cars, not the people. So the people inside the cars were not avnormal. They were well suiting to the cars. Otherwise (it mioght have been Hippies or Punks or beautifull girls or so) otherwise they would have been mentioned.

So let us ask: who else if not middle-eadtern looking Saudi terrorists drive nice cars ? I.e.: eocons? FBI ? Rich people ?

Dear Pail, it not news. Al Midhar is one of the small amount of "hijackers" who has no doppelganger. Who is real. Who was not only in Kuala Lumpur but also in Hambirg and who allegedly drove Atta to come into the U.S.A.

So I do not wonder at all about the corcus in San Diego the days before.

Have a Yahoo- edited LA Times article out of my deep archives. Notice: they were not living with people of their origin. Like Atta who liked his German frineds.






Friday October 19 01:24 PM EDT
Cold Trail - In pursuit of L.A. terrorists
By Jim Crogan LA Weekly

It’s not easy finding a terrorist in L.A.

You’d think that out of 767 people in custody across the country for their possible ties, however thin, to al Qaeda or some other Osama support group, one of two might have roots here.

The FBI (news - web sites), of course, has said very little about its September 11 investigation. In most cases, no names, no detailed reasons for detention, nothing about links to terrorism.

In this age of no information, I got a break. Last week, someone emailed me the FBI’s “watchlist” of 366 suspected terrorists and 14 organizations thought to be sympathetic to terrorism. The 22-page document, sent to financial regulators around the world, was posted by mistake on the Internet by Finland’s Financial Supervison Authority. The Web page was shut down several hours later. The FBI was not happy with what it called a security breach, but as one agent said, with resignation, “Stuff happens.”

The information, gathered by the FBI and European counter-terrorism agencies, includes names, birth dates, addresses past and present, Social Security (news - web sites) numbers and aliases. The watch list contains the names of five people with ties to the L.A. area, including Saeed Al-Ghamdi, who is believed to have been one of the four hijackers of United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, killing all 44 persons on board.

I took the list and tried to piece together the L.A. angle on terrorism. It was not an entirely satisfying journey. Some of the addresses are old, and, needless to say, the FBI beat me by several weeks.

According to the FBI report, as late as December 1996 Al-Ghamdi lived in a 176-unit apartment house on Bedford Lane in Chino Hills. The building has been turned into condominiums, and the phone numbers for the building’s previous owners, an Arizona property company, no longer work. Al-Ghamdi may have used as many as five aliases and three birth dates, and lived in eight addresses in six states: New Jersey, Virginia, Florida, Texas, Arizona and California.

I didn’t bother to go to Chino Hills to pursue this cold trail, preferring to check out an address in the Wilshire district. In a rundown, white-stucco, three-story apartment building on Kenmore Street, in a mostly Latino neighborhood, 40-year-old Saudi Arabian Ali Abusharifah stuck out. “I remember him because the building has mostly Latinos living here. So it was strange that he was here,” says Vivian Williams, a longtime resident, who was the building’s manager for about six months.

Williams described Abusharifah as “short, kind of chubby and very quiet.” She says he lived there for several months, some four or five years ago. “I saw him a few times. He was always alone, but he seemed okay,” she says. Williams says her only real contact with Abusharifah came when he had a plumbing problem. “I had to go into his apartment, and I remember he had a lot of Arabic-language magazines lying around his living room.”

Williams says that Abusharifah told her he was moving out to live with his elderly mother. “He said she was moving, and he wanted to help her out.” She also says that he still gets mail at the building. The former manager says the FBI talked to some of the tenants several weeks ago.

The Islamic Center of Southern California, which houses the nearest mosque, lies east of the Kenmore apartments. Sarah Eltantawi, who directs communications for the Muslim Public Affairs Council and works closely with the Islamic Center, says she didn’t recognize Abusharifah’s name. “The FBI came and talked to us, but they didn’t ask about him or anyone else. They just wanted to know if they could help us with any hate-crime problems,” she says. The council has started a hate-crimes hotline, and they’ve received 30 calls over the last two weeks.

The FBI document lists four aliases for Abusharifah, and says that he moved to Santa Ana and then to Vero Beach, Florida. His phones in Florida have been disconnected.

Another name on the list is 36-year-old Malek Mohamed Seif. He lived at a well-kept, white-stucco house/guest house combination on Franklin Street in Santa Monica, a quiet, tree-lined neighborhood, just south of Colorado Avenue. According to public records, Seif, who used four aliases and two different Social Security numbers, lived in Santa Monica as recently as April 2000. A tenant says the FBI was out several weeks ago to talk to people.

From Santa Monica, Seif moved to Arizona. He was then traced to Michigan. However, his phone numbers have been disconnected.

Safia Shaikh, also on the list, is currently living in Culver City. According to published reports, she said she separated from her husband, Abdussattar, five years ago. Her husband still lives in Lemon Grove in San Diego County. I wasn’t able to reach Shaikh, but she told the Associated Press she didn’t know the hijackers.

It’s unclear why she is named. However, it might be because her husband, a retired professor, rented rooms in his house to two of the alleged hijackers who crashed the jet into the Pentagon (news - web sites) — Khalid Al-Midhar and Nawaq Alhamzi — and four people arrested as material witnesses. Abdussattar Shaikh reportedly knew nothing of their backgrounds and has cooperated with the FBI.

The list also contains the name of a Tunisian who used to live in an apartment in Riverside. The FBI document states that the man, who used three variations on his name, has most likely returned to his homeland.

I’m back home, too, amazed at how little people in L.A. know about their neighbors, and am waiting for FBI agents to call and fill in all the details.

[paulthompson]

3. MA

I agree the fact that these witnesses didn't specifically identify the ethnicity of the people in these cars is interesting. However, I don't see the article you link to as worth very much. In the first few weeks of the investigation of course there are going to be many false leads, in fact most of them will probably be false. They go on fishing expeditions, investigating anyone who fits a certain profile, like Florida flight students who left the country just before 9/11 or whatever the case may be. Of course you would want to learn more about the likes of Safia Shaikh, but that hardly proves she had anything to do with anything.

[fll03]

2. Did they notice anything about the licence plates?

[paulthompson]

4. Not as far as we know

But then again, who knows? I seriously doubt any government investigation asked them about this. I have article from late 2003 that has some San Diego witnesses surprised the FBI never talked to them.

[medienanalyse]

5. Paul, I agree in all points

including that "my" article isn`worth so much.

But that s it. FBI and media did not follow the obvious real trails. They picked in a haystack instead and called that "investigation". So we can conclude: it is not so important what they found out but more what they did not find out respectivly what they did not even try to find out.

That is: who are the visitors of the alleged perpetrators?

Instead of writing about the chitchat there would be an interesting trail to follow. So the next conclusion is: they did not WANT to find that out.

Which leads to another conclusion. A question: WHY ?

Again: it is not Saudi people who do not do their work. It is the U.S. FBI and the U.S. media who do not do their work.

You know: i am a MIHOP follower.

That is why I am arguing not with the existent evidence and telling the world what "really" happened but what evidence is missing and who is the owner of the procedures.

[spooked911]

6. But of course the FBI informant was OBLIVIOUS to the hijacking plans.

Does anyone really believe this????