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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:31 PM
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Bush IS GUILTY of LIHOP
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 04:36 PM by ck4829
I was writing a new document, I was very proud of my Scamdy investigation, so I decided to make another. This one was about Bush and 9/11, but it hit me and I wasn't even truly started.

Here is the data.

Ashcroft, John
- Stopped flying commercially in July of 2001

Bush, George W.
- Connected to PNAC (his Administration is)
- Looked for a way to go to war with Iraq even before his Inauguration
- Became President with the help of Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris

Bush, Jeb
- Executive Order 01-261 (Declaration of Martial Law if a Civil Disturbance or Natural Disaster happened. 9/7/01)
- Dekker's Flight School (promotion of)
- Dekker's Flight School (removal of documents from. 9/11/01)
- Member of PNAC

Edmonds, Sibel
- Said she saw documents that warned of Al Qaeda strikes upon America. John Ashcroft gagged her.

Harris, Katherine
- Dekkers Flight School (promotion of)
- Election Controversy which gave George W. Bush the Election

PNAC
- Pushed for conquest of Iraq even before Bush was President

This is just scratching the surface.

THEY ARE GUILTY
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:34 PM
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1. I don't want to a nitpick, but George W. is not PNAC
Jeb is, Cheney is, Rummie is, but not George. He doesn't have the brains.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:35 PM
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3. True, but half of his administration is. I should have clarified that.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:44 PM
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5. He can't spell PNAC!
Hahahahaha I crack myself up :)
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Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:17 PM
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14. He can't spell LIHOP or MIHOP either.
But spelling is irrelevant.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:33 PM
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16. G.W. was picked after Jeb was passed over, for some reason...
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 05:35 PM by AuntiBush
G.W. is a better puppet. Will do and say anything. Great liar, his teeth one can see straight through.

Someone very intelligent said, "He not stupid..." "He's too crazy to be stupid." Understandably, he was "the choice" for the position because he has no conscious, and is scrupulous at the same time.

Anyone that can smirk at the American public on Nat'l TV (seen Globally), have complete control of the media, and half of the other sides minds was an ingenious choice to represent those in power.

I want all of them impeached! They've not only destroyed our country and are not done with us yet, by any mere shot - the world that once admired us, now sincerely hates at least half of us. Not to mention his global take-over - lord the list is a mile and half long.

:rant:

Sorry. Having one of those I hate the ba$tard days.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:49 PM
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20. Jeb's brain was slightly too big
PNAC wanted a utter fool who would go down with the ship if it all goes to hell...Jeb probably asked about where the lifeboat was.

George otoh probably said "Oh goodie I get to drive a boat?"
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 06:10 PM
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26. Jeb was not picked because he lost his first bid for governor
in 1996. He would have been governor for only two years in 2000 because he did not win untill 1998. He was the preferred choice IMHO but Lawton Chiles beat him out of it in 96.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 06:20 PM
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27. Bah...don't undermine my cheap attempt at humor
with your boring facts :P
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:58 AM
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38. I think you're giving Bush too much credit...
I think he's just the patsy front man. Cheney is the one is really in charge of the show. Bush is clueless... and better to have in front because his ABYSMAL public speaking makes the hairs on the backs of Democrats necks stand on end, thereby making him the focus of their disdain, which allows Cheney to pull the strings and run the country the way he wants. Why else would Bush only agree to testify to the 9/11 Commission unless Cheney was there?? Plus, Bush may be the only human alive that is capable of sneering publicly at the American people... but Cheney looks downright sinister on any given day at any time - he the least trustworthy when he smiles.

Anyway, I'm with you. Let's clean this Administration out of our White house!!

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:35 PM
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2. MIHOP
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:42 PM
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4. At the very least LIHOP
Fri Jun-03-05 11:37 AM

Putting the Downing St. Minutes in perspective - PNAC 101



George W. Bush constantly reminds the nation about the threat of terrorism that began with 911 but he leaves out a few important details that you should know.........

In June 1997, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was born. Populated by influential Movers of industry and Shakers of public opinion, the PNAC is an organization united in the vision for a global U.S. empire - "Pax Americana" - through coercion and military domination. Their philosophy can be simply summarized:


* There are countries to plunder and fortunes to be made. You have it, we want it. Do as we say or suffer the consequences.

* The U.S. already has a powerful military but we plan to nurture and grow it until it's massive and we are indominable. Resistance is futile. We are.......


Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Steve Forbes, William J. Bennett, Frank Gaffney, and I. Lewis ("Scooter") Libby, signator's - among others - of the PNAC's "Statement of Principles".

"We need to...challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values."

"We need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future."

"It is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples...


JANUARY 1998 - The PNAC knew that he who owns the oil also owns the world so they sent a letter to President Clinton urging him to attack Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein from power since he put "a significant portion of the world's supply of oil at hazard". Clinton didn't grant them their wish and the PNAC was disheartened that they couldn't manipulate the military while outside of the White House power structure.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


MARCH - APRIL 1999 - In an effort to capture and control the castle and all its warriors and weapons, the PNAC offered up members Steve Forbes, Dan Quayle and Gary Bauer to run as Republican candidates in the upcoming Presidential election.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/profile.htm


JUNE 1999 - Ever persistent and determined to maximize their potential for success in the Presidential campaign, the PNAC exercised their power of nepotism and member-Jeb Bush's brother George stepped up to the plate to join the race.


SPRING 2000 - The PNAC may have felt confident with their candidate's chances for winning the White House but they were absolutely smug over what they saw as a possible Fallback Plan...electronic voting machines with severe security flaws that included hidden backdoors, erasable audit trails and multiple vote totals with the potential to propel vote tampering to new heights through the magic of remote access.

How To Rig An Election In The United States
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

Can the votes be changed?
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/access-diebold.htm


Bettter yet, Chuck Hagel - a fellow Republican loyalist - owned the ES&S voting machine company that counted 60% of all U.S. votes. He had already won one election and was part of the U.S. Senate power team in Washington.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

Assured that the White House would soon be theirs, the PNAC debuted their 76-page blueprint to achieve world domination. "Rebuilding America's Defenses" became the PNAC's manifesto, detailing the ideal level of military power to specifically eliminate the hostile regimes of Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea and it endorsed pre-emptive strikes against them, tradition be damned. Iraq was given star billing as Control Central for their Mideast base of operations.

At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

"American landpower is the essential link in the chain that translates U.S. military supremacy into American geopolitical preeminence.

"We cannot allow North Korea, Iran, Iraq or similar states to undermine American leadership."

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."


What is particularly foreboding and chilling in view of events to later unfold, is this statement bemoaning the lengthy process of rebuilding the existing U.S. military according to the heightened standards and specifications the PNAC aspired to.

...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm


NOVEMBER 2000 - Saddam may have sensed an ill wind in the air when he made the first strike, turned his back on the U.S. Dollar and accepted only Euros as payment for his oil. This had the potential of seriously destabilizing the U.S. economy and the PNAC considered this an hostile act of aggression towards their personal and business interests. The heat was on for them to make their first move.

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2000/11/0111200016084...


DECEMBER 2000 - In a highly contentious Presidential vote battle on the home turf of PNAC-Jeb Bush, the Supreme Court decided that George Bush was the new President.

Bush now had the green light to seamlessly merge members of the PNAC into his Administration with no one the wiser. PNAC members elevated to the Bush hierarchy include, among others:


* Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

* Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense

* Elliott Abrams - Member of the National Security Council

* John Bolton - Undersecretary for Arms Control and InternationalSecurity

* Richard Perle - Chairman of the advisory Defense Policy Board

* Richard Armitage - Deputy Secretary of State

* John Bolton - Undersecretary of State for Disarmament

* Zalmay Khalilzad - White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition


An Honorable Mention was awarded to Condoleezza Rice - National Security Advisor - who is a former oil-company consultant having been on the board of directors of Chevron as its main expert on Kazakhstan.

The PNAC agenda had now passed "Go". The most powerful military machine in the world stood at their ready and Saddam was in the crosshair.

Wasting no time, Cheney secretly assembled an advisory panel of oil and gas executives from Enron, Dynergy, Shell Oil, Chevron/Texaco and British Petroleum under the direction of James Baker (former Secretary of State under George Bush Sr.) to help shape our national energy policy and justify the PNAC's anticipated war with Iraq.

Contributing substantially to the task force discussions and recommendations was a shadowy group of unidentified observers who still remain unknown. Sheikh Saud Al Nasser Al Sabah, the former Kuwaiti oil minister, also made a contribution to the group's final report which was funded through Khalid Al-Turki (a Saudi Arabian oil and gas enterprise) and the Arthur Ross Foundation (a non-profit organization that - on the surface - appears to be a supporter of the Arts.)

http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/FraudinWh...

MARCH 2001 - Cheney closely guarded the details surrounding his energy task force but documents released through the Freedom of Information Act reveal a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.”

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml

As one internet poster pointed out:


"The Iraq map is not a map, it's a plan

"There are several areas marked 'earmarked for production sharing' (look at the map
legend), which means privatized oil fields. Iraq did not have privatized oil fields and
production sharing agreements before the US took it over.

"There are also parcels marked on the Iraq oil field and exploration map (numbered
'Block 1' through '9'). Iraq did not have an active, privatized oil exploration program
going on before it was conquered by the US.

"If you read the footnotes and entire contents of the other documents, there is a heavy
emphasis on business concerns, such as contracts and vendors over items one might
think would be more important in a government discussion, such as capacity, long term
reserves, etc...

"One footnote (in UAEOilProj.pdf) even contains investment advice for the participants
at the meeting, suggesting opportunities in downstream projects, such as power
desalination and pipeline projects.

"These are not 'just maps'. Read them."


It can be argued that the spoils of war were being doled out two years before Iraq once again became a household word. Perhaps this explains why Cheney worked so hard and so long to keep this information suppressed until Iraq was under U.S. military control...by then it would be too late for the public to object to the invasion.

Iraq, circa March 2001, painted a completely different picture than the Evil Empire the Bush Administrations tried to portray in their determined rush to war.


"Iraq was one of the more progressive Islamic countries in the region. It provided full
rights for women and public education for its citizens who enjoyed a decent standard
of living."

"Despite the years of bombings and the even greater toll on human life taken by the
sanctions, visitors to Baghdad don't see a city in ruins. Much of the wreckage has
been cleared away, much has been repaired.

"In our hotel, there's running water throughout the day, hot water in the morning.
Various streets in Baghdad are lined with little stores, surprisingly well-stocked with
household appliances, hardware goods, furniture, and clothes (much of which has a
second-hand look).

"We see no derelicts or homeless people on the streets, no prostitutes or ragged
bands of abandoned children, though there are occasional youngsters eager to
shine shoes or solicit spare change. But even they seem to be well-fed and decently
clothed. ......large swaths of the city used to be shrouded in complete darkness;
today, there are lights just about everywhere

"People used to feel hopelessly isolated and now there seems to be more hope and
better morale

Sadly though, "more and more children are turning up with leukemia" (a result of
the tons of depleted uranium the U.S. military used and left behind after Gulf War I.)

"The Iraqi leadership could turn US policy completely around by uttering just two
magic words: "free market." All they have to do is invite the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank into Iraq, eliminate free education and free medical care,
abolish the minimal food ration that goes to every Iraqi, abolish the housing
transportation subsidies, and hand over the country's oil industry to the corporate
cartels. To lift the sanctions, Iraq must surrender to the tender mercies of the
free-market paradise....

"Until then, Iraq will continue to be designated a "rogue nation" by those policy
makers in Washington who themselves are the meanest profit-driven, power-mongering
rogues on earth."

http://www.towardfreedom.com/2001/mar01/iraq.htm

The issue of trade sanctions against Iraq put the Bush Administration in a bind - the sanctions had been designed to punish Saddam for not conceding to U.S. demands but it ended up handicapping U.S. corporations and undermining the PNAC's drive for U.S. economic supremacy. The Bush Administration was on a tight four year schedule to oust Saddam and launch the PNAC's Grand Plan for World Domination but they still didn't have a viable script to sell to the public. Yet.

"It is important to shape circumstances...... ." - PNAC Statement of Principles


In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf .
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm

Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-09170...
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html

Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in the UAE received a call that Bin Laden supporters were in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives. It was rumored that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking U.S. aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

In June 2001 the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense was changed. NORAD’s military commanders could no longer issue the command to launch fighter jets because approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary and PNAC-member, Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing7/for_the...


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,55...
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked as Rumsfeld sat passive and unresponsive. The finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell. Pakistan's ISI also had a long-standing working relationship with the CIA.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=8830
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1266317,...

The PNAC had scored a home run with the bases loaded with the 911 event: shock, horror and fear gripped the nation, the war on "terrorism" had been established in no uncertain terms, attacking Afghanistan with public approval was a foregone conclusion and the stage was set for building a public case against Saddam.

Not one to let a good attack go to waste, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld sprung into action.


* He told his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq, even though Saddam wasn't linked to the attacks.

* PNAC-James Woolsey, former CIA director, was dispatched to London to look for and 'firm up' evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 911 attacks.

* PNAC-member and Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was authorized to create the Office of Special Plans.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/m...


"It is important to shape circumstances..........."- PNAC Statement of Principles


The Office of Special Plans (OSP) was a secret group of analysts and policy advisors with no status in the intelligence community. Nevertheless they reported directly to the White House and National Security office with cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The OSP circumvented formal, well-established oversight procedures, ignored intelligence that didn't further their agenda, expanded the intelligence on weapons beyond what was justified and over-emphasized the national security risk. They became more influential than the C.I.A. or the Defense Intelligence Agency who didn't even know the ultra-secret OSP existed for at least a year.

Because they were based in the Pentagon, it was assumed that the OSP was an intelligence-gathering agency that was second-guessing the C.I.A. but in actuality it was the White House Military Marketing Machine charged with the task of writing the PNAC's "Get Saddam" sales pitch for the public. Shading and bending reality to suit their own purpose, it wasn't important for the OSP's stories about Saddam to be factual, only that the average American believed them to be - in true Hollywood fashion.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

While the nation was stripped to the emotional bone and painfully vulnerable, the White House capitalized on the opportunity to reshape public perceptions and responses to conform with the PNAC's new American agenda. Rather than buoy the "can do" American spirit with optimism and hope for the future as Presidents before him had done in times of crisis, Bush spoke with an alarmist and pessimistic tone that served to perpetuate the high anxiety, excitability and fear in the populace.

To hear him speak, the world was a dark, evil and dangerous place....terrorism was here to stay....it would be a long struggle....America was helpless without the military might of the Government to keep the nation safe. The intent was to create a psychologically broken, weary and docile populace that would be easier to lead into war.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/130534_focusecond...

Fear became the Administration's strategic tactic for reprogramming the public into accepting the PNAC's militaristic designs. Still shell-shocked and exhausted from the enormity of the WTC and Pentagon tragedies, the public's panic shifted into frenzied over-drive when anthrax-laced envelopes arrived in government and media offices, killing five people. A perpetrator was never identified but the investigation eventually centered around the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, one of the nation's main anthrax research centers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126244,00.html

Using classic "operant learning" techniques from the realm of consumer psychology, the public was purposely kept on High Alert and continually "shaped" with ominous sound bites on the nightly news and "Level Orange Terror Alerts" at regularly scheduled but discrete intervals.

http://www.consumerpsychologist.com/#Perception


In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting

Immediately afterwards the PNAC and White House collaboration of "GET SADDAM" played relentlessly on televisions and in newspapers across the nation and the World as the "War on Terror" waged on and the litany of lies began.


The only terrorists we have to fear are those that occupy the White House.


Pass it on

This has been a presentation of The Whispering Campaign - an opportunity to become ACTIVELY involved in educating the American public without drawing attention to yourself. This is a game of Political "Gossip" where the story of our Government's deception and betrayal gets passed from one villager to another. Anyone can play. The rules are simple: make ten copies of this timeline and leave it in a public place where someone else will find it and read it. Ideal locations for maximum exposure include book stores, copy shops, libraries and train stations. Buses, taxis, laundromats, and check-out lines at the grocery store. Hair salons, rest rooms, gas stations and convenience stores. Anywhere you happen to be will work just fine. The American public deserves to know the TRUTH!

On-line version of this document with clickable links:
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/PN...

PNAC_101 - Rise of the Neocons - Designed with "Dropaganda" in mind!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:46 PM
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6. And don't forget about Operation Northwoods
Operation Northwoods is declassified operation to justify the invasion of Cuba. As a method of justification it discusses the use of staging terror like hijacking airplanes and then blaming Cuba for the terrorist attacks. Because of the similarities between Operation Northwoods and the 9/11 attacks, it is often referred to by MIHOP supporters.

Allen Dulles, the directory of the CIA was fired by John F. Kennedy in 1961 over Operation Northwoods and Operation Zapata. In 1963 he was one of the 7 investigators into John F. Kennedy's assassination.

Possible targets

* Hijack planes
* Fake a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner
* Shoot people in sniper attacks
* Blow up a ship
* Blow up John Glenn's space capsule
* Attack military bases

(...)

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Operation_Northwoods



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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:59 PM
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7. Just look at he facts Fires do not cause steel frame buildings to collapse
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 05:00 PM by Vincardog
Kerosene burns at 1700 Degrees Steel Melts at 2700. Where did the extra 1000 degrees come from?
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:46 PM
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19. Common Sense tells it all: 9/11 was an inside job!
And I'm not afraid to say it, like those brave patriotic souls holding-up that banner.

Engineered is right!
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:07 PM
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9. I firmly believe they are guilty too, but ...
what in the H-E-doublehockeysticks is LIHOP and MIHOP? I'm just no good at acronyms!

:)
Thanks

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:09 PM
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10. Let it Happen or Make it Happen on Purpose
There are three options for 9/11
* The official investigation is the truth and nothing but the truth
* The government knew but let it happen anyway (LIHOP)
* The government planned and executed the operation (MIHOP)

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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:13 PM
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12. Ah, that explains it...
Thanks!
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:09 PM
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11. LIHOP - Let It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP - Made It Happen On Purpose

I believe in MIHOP, but I think that LIHOP is provable using only public knowledge.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:15 PM
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13. I've believed MIHOP then from the day it happened
and I was scoffed at. They're not scoffing anymore.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:20 PM
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15. Let It Happen On Purpose; Make It Happen On Purpose
By the way, BTW, martial law is inherently UN-constitutional. Just thought I'd remind you all when it happens.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:58 PM
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24. Lived under Martial Law during the 60's.This is not your 60's anymore.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:38 PM
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17. Let Bush explain Building #7's collapse, huh?
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:54 PM
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22. Really. Really. Really. Excellent Point!
Where was NORAD? We know... we know.

How 4 planes w/transponders turned-off could fly erratically and go unnoticed w/our so-called best air defense system for what? An hour...

Cheney playing terrorist war games that very morning having NORAD control over all flights and traffic controls - controls destroyed.

Odd: Chimp was in FL reading a book. Noted to mention to a reporter about the 1st twin-tower strike before the media knew (later claimed he didn't know), it reminds one of just weeks ago when he was riding his bike during another MIHOP. Reading a book w/children he was scampered around the country on a plane.

Common Sense: This is not what the President of the United States would/should be doing during national attacks/emergencies.

Have serious problems w/the entire events.
Bldg 7 was the topper.

:rant:
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:56 PM
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23. Forget to mention Poppa's Meeting that Day...
And so many that removed themselves from towers conspiciously.

Inside trading... Laundrey list is so damn long.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 06:05 PM
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25. As I recall Poppy met with Cheney alone in the WH 9/10 nt
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:38 AM
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35. That interesting. Do you have link/story of that
Because it's almost impossible to find.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:37 PM
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39. Do a search here for

Topics such as:

Poppy in the middle

George Herbert Walker Bush and Sept 10/11th
or GHWBBush/Cheney Sept 2001
or Bush visits Cheney on Sept. 10 2001

MIHOP

I did some searches and there are so many threads that when read in the light of what we know today convince me that it is MIHOP. I was always a LIHOP but not now!
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:39 PM
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18. Lots of unanswered questions at the link in my sig line.
Reading those questions, put forth by a group of victims relatives that fought for the formation of the 9/11 Commission, left me little doubt it was MIHOP.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 06:27 PM
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28. Very important questions. (n/t)
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 06:30 PM by ROH
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:52 PM
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21. a couple more things
had two ground to air missles on hotel roof 9/10
said saw first plane go in, twice. no one did
had his situation room person with him. never before or since
war games a.m. 9/11


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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 06:29 PM
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29. Islamic Jihad or another Northwoods?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 06:44 PM
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30. Marvin Bush contract of Twin Towers security...
expired on the morning of 911 Attack?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:05 PM
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31. Watch or listen to David Ray Griffin's historic speech on this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=39690#40421
Thread title: "David Ray Griffin evidence Bush admin complicit in 9/11 - update & links"

Look through the entire thread. There is a LOT there. The video (also available in audio files) is one hour 20 min long and it is rivetting. I believe it's MIHOP.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:14 AM
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32. kick n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:25 AM
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33. Nope MIHOP!
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:16 AM
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34. MIHOP
The only thing that makes sense.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:41 AM
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36. i know he is guilty of MIHOP
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:47 AM
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37. Wasn't Katherine Harris...
Chairman for the Bush/Cheney Election committee for Florida State as well??
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:02 PM
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41. yes
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:01 PM
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40. Documentation of at least LIHOP for Cheney, Rumsfeld, Myers,etc.
http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html

and from Chapters 11-16 of Dr. Griffins book:
The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions

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