Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Inside Job

[earth mom]

Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job'

Highly recognized former chief economist in Labor Department now doubts official 9/11 story, claiming suspicious facts and evidence cover-up indicate government foul play and possible criminal implications.

June 12, 2005

By Greg Szymanski
A former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush's first term now believes the official story about the collapse of the WTC is 'bogus,' saying it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

"If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling," said Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D, a  former member of the Bush team who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX.

Reynolds, now a professor emeritus at Texas A&M University, also believes it's 'next to impossible' that 19 Arab Terrorists alone outfoxed the mighty U.S. military, adding the scientific conclusions about the WTC collapse may hold the key to the entire mysterious plot behind 9/11.

con't here:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/27302.htm

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I stumbled upon this story...I don't know anything about this Reynolds guy...anyone else know?

[RPM]

1. wow - if it is true, wow....

unreal.

[ck4829]

2. Here's something

He really did serve in the National Center for Policy Analysis.

http://www.ncpa.org/~ncpa/about/Morgan.html

[Ravenseye]

3. Wow An Economist Says So...Really?

Please.

So an old semi-retired economics professor says something he thinks regarding construction, demolition, and security.

How can one not listen to what he has to say?

:sarcasm:

[TruthIsAll]

7. Read this transcript of a speech by David Griffin shown on C-Span...

What does he know?
Just the facts as already reported.

You will be rudely awakened, my friend.

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=535&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

[Ravenseye]

19. I'm not commenting on the idea

Give me a building engineer familiar with demolition and the trade center plans or someone like that.

Put an economist out there who just 'thinks things' and it's rubbish i'm sorry. Is he just repeating what other people said? Fine SAY WHAT THOSE PEOPLE SAID.

Also i'm not rudely awakened. I've listened to both sides, and I gotta go with the engineers who studied the plans and can explain exactly how and why it went down the way it did.

Tin.Foil.Hat.

Anyway if you want to even TRY and convince me don't do it with an economist, or a conspiracy theorist. Do it with engineers.

By th way that link didn't work, but my internet connection is spotty today. Still I've seen some engineers try and explain it as demolition and I've seen what tehy've said countered by reputable engineers.

[RBHam]

32. See Post 6.

Amazing that the ONLY time EVER in HISTORY that an airplane caused a building to collapse in it's own footprints after colliding with it happened TWICE on the SAME DAY...

And it's perfectly LOGICAL that WT7 would catch fire and spontaneously demolish itself a little later.

[truth2power]

33. "conspiracy theorist"

Those who believe 911 was perpetrated by 19 Arabs performing intircate maneuvers flying planes into buildings are also conspiracy theorists. "Conspiracy theorist" is not necessarily a pejorative term.

Just sayin'

[ewagner]

4. I don't like the smell of this

Something seems amiss here.....the guy didn't have any DIRECT knowledge or involvement in either pre- or post 9/11 activities....

I heard one shoe drop...now I'm waiting for the other.....

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. Posted in Sept. 11 forum yesterday...

opinions are mixed... see here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=42610&mesg_id=42610

[earth mom]

9. Sorry for the dupe...

I guess we both found it interesting....

And I do think it was LIHOP or MIHOP. :tinfoilhat:

[RBHam]

6. The Truth WILL Out...

A Personal Decision

By Kevin Ryan
June 9th 2005

Have you ever found yourself caught between several hundred million people and their most cherished lies? After writing a letter to a government scientist, pleading with him to clarify a report of his work, I found myself in just that situation. The letter was circulated on the internet and for a brief time I became a reluctant celebrity. Of course I stand behind what I wrote, although it was originally intended as a personal message, not an open letter. Since many have asked for clarification, here is my message to all.

UQ Wire: Underwriter Speaks Out On WTC Study
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00177.htm
& UQ Wire: 9/11 Whistleblower Kevin Ryan Fired
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00239.htm
- UQ Wire Editor.]

To me, the report in question represents a decision point, not just for the US, but for humanity as a whole. We’re at a point where we must decide if we will live consciously, or literally give up our entire reality for a thin veneer of lies. In the US these lies include cheap propaganda that passes for journalism, police-state measures that promise security, and mountains of debt that paint a picture of wealth. Additionally we’ve adopted many implicit self-deceptions, like the idea that we’ll always enjoy a limitless share of the world’s resources, no matter where these are located or who might disagree.

All people lie to themselves. It’s one of the most important things we have yet to accept about our own nature. We lie to ourselves to justify our past actions, to protect our self-image, and to promote ourselves relative to others. This lying is at the root of many of our problems (e.g. nationalism and racism). Until we see this, and strive to understand if not control it, the resulting problems will continue unchecked and the outcome will be certain. Any organism or society that makes self-deception its modus operandi will make many bad, and ultimately fatal, decisions. The day will come when we are collectively fooling ourselves in such a way that we essentially trade everything we have for what’s behind our fantasy curtain. It appears that day is near.

MORE...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0506/S00144.htm

[bertha katzenengel]

8. "'next to impossible' . . . outfoxed the mighty U.S. military"

They didn't. The 19 hijackers outfoxed airport security. Al Qaeda outfoxed the U.S. "intelligence" community.

[RBHam]

21. Really?

You'd better get your story straight. Myers and Rumsfeld haven't.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/031905Buckley/031905buckley.html
Liar Myers, pants on fire
By Devlin Buckley

excerpt:
The story started out on February 16, when during the House hearing on the defense appropriations bill,Congresswoman Mckinney was obstructed from asking Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Myers about the multiple war game exercises that took place on that morning (Video). About a month later, on March 10h, Rumsfeld and Myers came better prepared for the war game question, while Mckinney did not. Rumsfeld even went out of his way to assure there was enough time (much unlike on Feb. 16) for the question.

Mckinney asked if the war game exercises compromised fighter response. Myers, readily referring to the testimony of Gen. Ralph Eberhart (only briefly mentioned in the back of 9/11 Commission's report innote 116 of chapter 1) assured Mckinney that the war games did not interfere, but actually enhanced the military's response to the attacks.

However in the referred to testimony, Eberhart only commented on one war game: Vigilant Guardian, and neglected to report the other war games or the confusion experienced between Vigilant Guardian and the real hijackings. For instance, NEADS CommanderCol. Robert K. Marr Jr originally thought the attacks were part of the exercise, as did his deputyLt. Col. Dawne Deskins, who said "everybody" at NEADS first thought the attacks were part of Vigilant Guardian. Even Gen. Arnold himselftold ABC's Brian Ross on Sep. 11 2002, that as the attacks began, the first thing he thought was: "Is this part of the exercise?"

[RBHam]

22. Video of the BRAVE Cynthia McKinney grilling Rumsfeld...

What? You haven't seen this on CNN????

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/240305mckinneygrills.htm

[bertha katzenengel]

25. I don't watch television news.

(I take it you're addressing me, correct me if I'm wrong)

[bertha katzenengel]

23. Excuse me, I forgot where I was.

Don't shoot.

[RBHam]

31. Tens of Millions of Americans have NO IDEA about this...

Because the msm DELIBERATELY hides the truth.

When is the last time Cynthia McKinney's name has been mentioned by the far right? Why don't they bring her name up anymore as a talking point about those "crazy conspiracy theorists"???

Because they don't want people to take the time to read up about this WAR GAMES ON 9-11 BOMBSHELL and find out the truth about their fearless leaders.

[pie]

29. Al 'Qaida used their dreaded goat-tail technology!

How they finished the job:
pure stone power, baby!

(BTW: There are no sleeper cells, either.)

[bertha katzenengel]

35. "There are no sleeper cells, either" --

Really?

Golly.

[Frederik]

45. Have you seen Adam Curtis' BBC documentary

"The Power of Nightmares" by any chance? You should. He argues, quite convincingly, that al-Qaida "sleeper cells" is a neo-conservative fantasy.

[formerrepuke]

10. P.N.A.C.- And just what, exactly, did this fine group of individuals

say would have to happen in order to get the American public behind any major military action? .....'nuff said

[philb]

51. Updated Operation Northwoods Plan for WTC when George Bush was CIA Directo

Updated Operation Northwoods Plan for WTC when George Bush was CIA Director

Source is Timothy McNiven, a Defense Dept. operative who was one of the authors,

McNiven has passed a lie detector test regarding this story
This information is on a large number of web sites such as

http://suetheterrorists.net/
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/318050.shtml
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/200305terroristplan.htm
http://www.rense.com/general63/TWIN.HTM

[Bolo Boffin]

54. That article was printed originally at American Free Press!

Why would you drag crap like that here to DU?

[coloradodem2005]

11. This is quite a supposition.

[Dover]

12. We need to give this the same attention that we did the Blair memo.

Though I wonder how many 'hot' news events should be pushed at one time. Would hate to take attention from the Blair memo before it has even seen the light of day in the mainstream.

[barb162]

13. I'd rather listen to architects and structural and metals

engineers talk about the collapse of the buildings than an economics or finance or accounting type

PS (edit) I remember listening to an architect a few miles away with a good view watching them burn and he said he thought they would collapse, as he saw the one building leaning, he thought the top floors would pancake, etc.

[tk2kewl]

28. It is not by accident that the building that fell first

was the one that was hit second. The damage caused by the aircraft was lower on the tower, therefore the weight of the building above the damaged structure was greater and thus cause failure sooner.

I give this theory no credence. I do, however, believe LIHOP or perhaps MIHOP, but not as described here.

[philb]

53. there were no prolonged hot fires at WTC1 and the small fires were

dying and controllable according to firefighters on the scene. And supported by pictures from neighboring buildings.

[Griffy]

47. ok.. I am an engineer and have worked in constrution and materials..

and I can tell you the damage done to the pentagon was not an airliner.... look at the hole three rings in, and I tell you that wasn't done by a plane of aluminum skin and beams! period!

Now... WTC7 looks EXACTLY like a controlled demolition, and the towers fell awefully striaght... TWICE! What no one has is the missing info to PROVE it. THUS the need to investigate.. add to that the motive and propensity to lie, the odds that bushco was involved become more likely. PNAC jumps to mind here.. unless you dont believe that, or doubt they would go through with it!

I believe we wont get these answers till bushco is outa office, which should be early '07, just after the next house is sworn in!

Support Conyers.. Impeach bush! :)

Be the MEDIA!

[philb]

56. Complicity is documented by administration officials testimony

http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html

and Griffin's books

[slaveplanet]

59. You may be an engineer-

but I think you fail to see just how brutal and plotting these usurpers are?

I believe we wont get these answers till bushco is outa office, which should be early '07, just after the next house is sworn in!

a 9/11 event has been in the planning since at least the Kennedy era.

leaving gracefully is not part of the game plan, and they ALWAYS have a game plan ...

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:

[no_hypocrisy]

14. The buildings did implode and collapsed straight down instead of

breaking up and falling in a slant. The videos remind me of the tall buildings my brother used to set up explosives for a planned implosive demolition. They almost collapse in a choreography instead of an uncontrolled scattered demise.

And what are the odds that the WTC was designed to collapse exactly in situ no matter what floor was destroyed first? Engineers and architects, please check in.

[indepat]

15. Nothing here: nothing about the events surrounding 9-11 to be curious

about, else surely some Republicans in the Congress or now in high Administration posts would have raised some questions.

[Catfight]

16. I guess he can't believe an Arab was smart enough and hated

America enough to pull it off. The only inside job was the fact Bush knew it was happening and made the choice to do nothing, in fact, I believe Bush was part of the plan. I think Bush and Osama are in bed together and need each other to keep people afraid, and if Bush didn't have the evil Osama to boost his appeal, he'd already be ousted chopping wood on his fake ranch. That's why Osama will never be caught.

[philb]

50. The same thing has been going on for decades with the Bush clan

Noriega was a CIA/Bush guy until he refused to run and launder drugs for the Contras so they took him out and capitalized on the publicity as his expense.

Saddam was a CIA/Bush guy who kept the lid on in Iraq for U.S. interests and used chemical weapons supplied by U.S. in a war against Iraq encouraged by U.S. Then when his usefulness was over and he became a liability he was duped and used like Noriega had been previously.

there were others similar to this(Central American, Yugo area)

bin Laden was CIA/ISI/Bush guy and the whole family connected and a major factor in Bush fortunes, and its not clear when this changed if it has. But now he's being used to excuse a crusade to extend U.S. empire and to create fear and fortify political support of normally unsupportable projects and actions.

[Just Me]

17. Ummm,...damn!

I just don't know what to think. Why would a former insider (especially one with BFEE ties) take this position?

Sorta' freaky, doncha' think?

AND, he's teaching in TX! Gee, I just don't know.

[earth mom]

37. That's what I found odd too...

is this a plant or does this guy have an ax to grind against * and is looking for a little revenge? :shrug:

[berni_mccoy]

18. Wow

I wonder if this will get the MSM's attention? Probably not.

If there is a shred of truth to this... then God help us all.

[gumby]

20. does anyone have the link

to those photos that show people in the towers at the destroyed areas?

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[RBHam]

24. Back to the 9-11 cubby hole of discretion.

Can't have people thinking bad thoughts you know.

[Bolo Boffin]

39. Where there's already two threads on the same articles n/t

[dogday]

27. Ask yourself why FEMA happened to be in NYC the day before

setting up for a drill of major proportions. I find that highly suspect.

Also the planes had enough time to be up in the air shooting down aircraft, it only took 22 minutes to find Payne Stuart's plane when it went off course, so what is the deal with that?

[RBHam]

36. Denial is becoming America's Number one religion.

It amazes me how blind people are.

I saw a controlled demolition. Sorry. That's what I saw.

"Who ya gonna believe? Me? or your own lying eyes?"

I prefer to live in reality.

[earth mom]

40. I agree...the denial is simply amazing.

Hopefully the majority of the population will understand and accept the truth about 9/11 very soon. When that happens, things will change.

[mcscajun]

43. The FEMA story is bunk

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/fema.htm

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[mcscajun]

46. I prefer not to....

:tinfoilhat:

I was alive and well in NYC when the WTC was being built, and followed the contemporary accounts (with photos) of the construction of the Twin Towers. I visited them as a tourist. Mind you, I always hated the damned things and called them the 'giant milk cartons'.

I worked in the South Tower for a few years and knew the insides quite well. I came up from the PATH station in the sub-basement levels every morning and made my way to the 45th floor via the Skylobby. I know what the construction of the building was, where the stairwells and elevator shafts were, and how little "core" there really was. The place was a steel cage with solid concrete slabs.

I was on my way to Lower Manhattan when the towers were hit and saw events up close and personal. I spent a fair amount of time in the two weeks after the attacks reading everything I could get my hands on, including many of the so-called CT sites. Even afterwards, I kept up with new information and I've evaluated many dissenting opinions on the causes, and I just can't buy the implosion or controlled demolition theories.

There are a great many things that I'm willing to blame BushCo for, including LIHOP, but not MIHOP. That would be giving the BFEE far too much credit/blame. They sure did (and do) know how to take advantage of the LIHOP, though.

[philb]

52. How do you explain all of the reports and evidence of explosions at WTC

and the obvious evidence of huge explosions that reduced all of the solid materials in WTC building to a fine dust, expelling it outward along with splintered huge steel beams?
and melting huge steel beams(gas fires couldn't do it) so that they were molten and hot for months after 9/11?

[mcscajun]

57. All the solid materials in the WTC weren't reduced to a fine dust.

There was a great deal of dust...absolutely...but there was an enormous amount of solid debris as well.

For weeks and weeks afterwards, I saw the dump trucks bringing large pieces of debris to dumpster barges on the East River. Same with the steel beams. And they weren't molten.

It was incredibly jarring and sad to walk past the evidence of the attack day in and day out, believe me. I visited the site a few days after returning to work (this would have been close to the end of September; totally gut-wrenching.

[ROH]

48. Tripod II Exercise

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/item.jsp?item=a091201tripod2

[WePurrsevere]

34. Possible and would explain something...

My husband has Engineering degrees (knows quite a bit about fuels, etc) and has never felt that the towers could have done what they did without something else "helping".

Come to think of it... recently while searching the web he found a website talking about a substance being found at the base of the towers that would have done just that but, much to my annoyance, didn't bookmark it. If anyone else knows of this would you please post a link (TIA) ... he seemed to think it sort of backed up what he felt wasn't adding up with what our gov was saying about the towers collapsing.

[philb]

55. Here is article about WTC1 building engineer and explosions in WTC1 & 2

Mike Pecoraro, building engineer, WTC tower 1 explosions
http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029


There was a huge amount of reports and evidence of explosions in the WTC building

There is a compilation of sites at:
www.flcv.com/911new05.html

[progressoid]

38. Let me adjust my hat....

OK - now I see it!!

:tinfoilhat:

[Christophera]

41. Great Post, and It's True & The Concrete Core Accomodates Demo

"If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling," said Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D, a  former member of the Bush team who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX.

The concrete core needs to be publicized because it won't fall with fire and plane impacts, niether would steel but it does bend and melt with heat so the steel core lie was invented.

People need to ask their friends and relatives if any of them saw the 199 documentary called "The Twin Towers Construction". Thousands of Americans watched it and we need to find them.

[mcscajun]

42. Arctic Beacon a credible source?

Seems doubtful.

No "About Us" so you know who is behind it or what their positions are, but a couple of paragraphs asking for donations to the site.

[philb]

49. Do you base your opinion on where an article is posted? or whether

its backed up by credible evidence?

Do you consider most articles published in MSM publications to be credible?

or are most of these non-credible? not likely to be accurate?

the author is better known than the web page.
what is known about his credibility on other things he's covered?

[mcscajun]

58. I base my opinion on a great many things.

And I'm not saying discard the article because of the source; I'm asking a legitimate question. Before we judge anything, we must consider the source. Hell, if I didn't, I might actually believe our bought and paid for Corporate Media and the propaganda from BushCo.