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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:23 AM
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Lots of misinformation or disinformation: which & who's telling the truth?
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 12:26 AM by philb
Contradictions everywhere you look- which is misinformation and which is deliberate disinformation, and who's telling the truth

What are the most significant cases:

1. Contradictions re: military jets scrambled for UA93

In fact, military commanders were never notified of the need to intercept hijacked United Airlines Flight 93, even after it turned abruptly from Ohio toward Pennsylvania, so there were no U.S. military jets in the air nearby, said Maj. Gen. Paul A. Weaver Jr., director of the Air National Guard. Newsday (9/15/01)
and supported by the 9/11 Commission report.

yet:
UA93
In the White House bunker, a military aide approached the vice president.
"There is a plane 80 miles out," he said. "There is a fighter in the area. Should we engage?"
"Yes," Cheney replied without hesitation.
Around the vice president, Rice, deputy White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, tensed as the military aide repeated the question, this time with even more urgency. The plane was now 60 miles out. "Should we engage?" Cheney was asked.
"Yes," he replied again.

We responded awfully quickly I might say on Tuesday," Wolfowitz said. "And in fact we were already tracking in on that plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. I think it was the heroism of the passengers on board that brought it down, but the Air Force was in a position to do so if we had had to." -PBS (9/16/01)

FAA controllers quoted by media reports saying F-16s were circling UA 93 in Pennsylvania ) http://www.flight93crash.com/index.html

Many witnesses saw a white jet at the crash site, and some heard explosions before the crash. Several including Donn de Grand-pre say
the Langley fighters shot down UA93.
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight93.html

"Mrs Mcelwain is further convinced the whole truth has yet to come out because of a phone call she had within hours from the wife of an air force friend of the family.
"She said her husband had called her that morning and said 'I can't talk, but we've just shot a plane down,' " Susan said. "I presumed they meant Flight 93. I have no doubt those brave people on board tried to do something, but I don't believe what happened on the plane brought it down." -Daily Mirror (9/13/02)

See also UA 93 at: http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html


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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:31 AM
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1. What time did UA 93 crash & are 3 minutes missing from flight tape?
Many including some of the family of those on plane think that the family members were not allowed to hear all of the flight control tape because what they heard ended at 10:03 whereas the plane apparently crashed at 10:06.

The 9/11 Commission states that UA 93 crashed at 10: 03
yet other evidence appears to clearly say otherwise:

time line
16. 10:04 a.m.
Johnstown-Cambria Country Airport reports the plane is 15 miles south and coming fast.
17. 10:05 a.m.
People on the ground witness the plane flying low and erratically.
18. 10:06 a.m.
Flight 93 crashes near Shanksville, approximately 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.
19. 15-20 minutes away
Possible terrorist target: Washington D.C. approximately 124 miles, or 15-20 minutes, from crash site.

Several leading seismologists agree that Flight 93 crashed last Sept. 11 at 10:06:05 a.m., give or take a couple of seconds. Family members allowed to hear the cockpit voice recorder in Princeton, N.J., last spring were told it stopped just after 10:03.
The FBI and other agencies refused repeated requests to explain the discrepancy. The FBI has clamped a tight lid of secrecy on the flight data recorder - which could best show how Flight 93 actually crashed - and on the cockpit voice recorder.
An FBI spokesman, Steven Berry, said the bureau continues to officially list the time of the Flight 93 crash as 10:03 a.m. The NTSB referred all questions to the FBI.
"The seismic signals are consistent with impact at 10:06:05," plus or minus two seconds, said Terry Wallace, who heads the Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory and is considered the leading expert on the seismology of man-made events.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:34 AM
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2. 9/11 Commission said FAA did not report any hijackings in time for militar
military to respond;
yet lots of evidence and testimony says otherwise
http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html
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