The 52 minutes before "Flight 93" turned around

[demodewd]

Flight 93 sat at the Newark airport an additional 41 minutes. Bear that in mind because I believe the 41 minutes is extremely significant. I believe that the plan was to have all this done by 9:40 or so but you had the 41 minute delay. Flights 93 and 77 were to be coordinated together in a 5 minute or so window for the crashings at Shanksville and the Pentagon.

But you have this 41 minute delay at Newark. Then instead of Flight 93 turning itself around at about 25 minutes after takeoff,it doesn't turn around until 52 minutes after takeoff putting the Shanksville crash at 10:06 instead of the planned 9:40 or something. Here's the BIG QUESTION...why did the perpetrators wait 52 minutes to turn 93(decoy) around? There had to be an operational reason otherwise the plane would have been turned nearly 30 minutes sooner. Something very important had to be done in that extra 30 minutes.

[philb]

1. Box and Dwendney both plan to come out with revised scenarios

that explain what you are talking about here- the connections of the 4 flights

Here is Dewdney's:
Operation Pearl A.K. Dewdney- (Airliner Flight Takedowns/Exchange and Replacement) http://physics911.ca/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2

Woody has other threads on this.

[demodewd]

2. Dewdney et al

I'll be very interested in reading the revised Dewdney and I'll keep an eye out for Woody's contributions. But...what do you think about that 25-30 minute extention?

[stickdog]

3. I think the flight paths were preloaded or hijacker uploaded into the

757 & 767 Flight Control Computers using waypoints. Basically, the planes were flown using a glorified autopilot, with preprogrammed flight paths. Flight 93's gate delay forced Bush, Rummy & General Myers to sit on their hands for the entire period between 9:03 and 9:38 because if they reacted too quickly to the WTC crashes, they'd risk facing personal cupability for the complete lack of air defense that morning.

[demodewd]

4. when would 93 be aborted

Where is the point where "Flight 93" would have been aborted? It was scheduled to take off at 8:01,but wasn't airborn until 8:42. What would have happened if it would have been still at Newark until 9:00? This flight apparently to me was really a very necessary element in that day's planning.

Your idea of autopilot with flight paths sounds reasonable except I wonder about the exceptions...i.e....when a flight is delayed for a long period of time. I do believe that there was coordination between 11 and 175. 11 began deviating from its flight program at about the same time 175 lifted off. I think this points strongly to manual coordination of the two flights. They did plan for that 20 minutes or so period between crashes at the WTC.

How long was the cell phone caller period? Maybe the flight path of "93" needed those 52 minutes to buy the time to complete the cell phone legend on its return to PA? Or maybe there was something going on on the ground with a landed 93 in conjunction with a landed 11 and 175 as I mentioned before. Or both.

[stickdog]

5. Well, there's so much disinfo that who knows?

My autopilot/Flight Control Computer/way-points theory is partially a reaction against the debunko crew's argumentatively legitimate criticisms of complicated plane swapping/global hawk scenarios.

My main point is that all 757's and 767's are already acknowledged to be fully equipped to perform very complicated maneuvers automatically, if not remotely. Furthermore, it's pretty obvious to me that stranding Bush to uncomfortably stall in that classroom (not to mention the absurd Rummy & Myers non-cover stories) were almost certainly NOT part of the original plan -- even if we're talking strictly LIHOP. So I don't think Flight 93's long gate delay was intentional (at least not on the part of the LIHOP handlers and informers in the LIHOP version of event). And if the delay wasn't intentional and the flight path wasn't preprogrammed, then why the fuck didn't "they" (either the hijackers or the remote controllers, depending on your theory) turn the damn plane around sooner? Note that this same question also applies to anybody who believes the official 19 superhuman Muslims acting alone conspiracy.

Of course, there are many alternate reasons for the delay, but why not just use a flight scheduled later if we're talking full MIHOP?

[demodewd]

7. the hero legend

Of course, there are many alternate reasons for the delay, but why not just use a flight scheduled later if we're talking full MIHOP?

Because Flight 93 was the flight with all the voice morphed phone calls. They HAD to use that flight or abort the whole hero legend program for the masses.

[philb]

6. de Grande-pre group of pilots unanamously said 9/11 was by remote controll

see other threads
or google Donn de Grand Pre

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. I don't think the 4 flights had to connect

I think that the NY & DC attack ran independent of each other. However, there was definitely coordination between the two WTC planes and the two DC planes.

In regards to the two DC Planes:


At 8:20 AM, Flight 77 took off from Dulles International Airport, 10 minutes after its scheduled departure time.




At 8:42 AM, Flight 93 took off from Newark International Airport, 41 minutes after its scheduled departure time.




At 8:46, Flight 77 veered severely off course. At 8:50, the last radio communication was made from the pilots and air traffic control. At 8:56, the jet's transponder was shut off.



So within 4 minutes of Flight 93 finally taking off, Flight 77 makes a big looping detour. Was this a deliberate delay to let Flight 93 catch up? Why was that necessary? So necessary that it left everyone from Bush, to Rummie, to Cheney, to Myers, to Tenet with their pants down?

Why did they need so much time and take the risk of flying these two planes for so long. Could it be that they had to land in order to load all the passengers into one plane and crash it near Shanksville, probably into Indian Lake? While a new improved version of Flight 77, ie a missile dressed up to look like a passenger jet, flew into the Pentagon?

[John Doe II]

9. Your question is indeed interesting

and needs investigation.
Yet, I'd like to add the hint that the BTS departure time for UA 93 is 8:28. Moreover there are also witness accounts who seem to confirm this take off time.
Just an info for the phone calls. Officially the first (cell phone) call was Tom Burnett at 9:27. That is clearly before the turn around in the flight path.

[demodewd]

10. musings

Hmmmm.So there was a 36-39 time frame for all the phone calls.And the first call was made at 9:27,six minutes or so before the plane turned itself around.Going by your lift off time of 8:28 the alleged Flight 93 was in the air for 65 minutes before it reversed course.

Anyway one could surmise that if the calls were a sham the perpetrators knew they had to fly out to a designated point around Cleveland to be able to coordinate the faked calls with the termination point of the plane(decoy)near Shanksville.Thus the drawn out affair to Cleveland just as planned even though the plane was at least 27 minutes late in taking off.

The takeoff time from Newark was 8:01. Adding the 65 minutes before reversing course that puts us at 9:06 and a Shanksville arrival at no later than 9:36 assuming that the first call would be made 6 minutes prior to turning around. This of course is within the time of 5-10 minutes that "Flight 77" would have crashed into the Pentagon if it would have taken off at 8:10.

Just some musings.

[demodewd]

12. more musings

Or maybe it was necessary to buy all that time to fly out to Cleveland in order to accomplish something on the ground with a landed Flight 93.

[demodewd]

11. red headbands?

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp

Lyz recalls no background noise. No commotion. He described the men as Arabic-looking, wearing red headbands, carrying knives. One told passengers he had a bomb. Most passengers had been forced to the rear of the cabin. Glick's mother-in-law went to another phone and dialed 911. As Jeremy and Lyz spoke, New York state police patched in on the call.

Somewhere I read that the color red would be most inappropriate for devout Arabs to be wearing who were in the immediate process of giving up their lives to Allah.