The September 11 forum gives me the creeps

[patdem]

The 9/11 forum gives me the creeps, but I am drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

The point being, the ABSOLUTE fact is, that either the government LIHOP / MIHOP, or somebody with much power is lying to me to make me BELIEVE the government LIHIP / MIHOP.

Either way I get a sick feeling to my stomach when I visit the forum, which I do each day to see if there is any new CONCLUSIVE information so I can know for sure who, beyond any doubt, committed this heinous crime.

I am not saying the evidence is equal, it appears more and more that LIHOP or MIHOP because of the actions of the government - that old adage 'Don't listen to what(s)he says watch what(s)he does'. But because of the level of proof required to prosecute such a horrendous accusation I am not sure we will EVER know for with absolute certainty. :rant:

[BlueEyedSon]

1. There are a lot of unanswered questions and

really weird behavior on the part of the gov't.

What if the hijackers were allowed to do take control of the planes just to shake up the public (with little or no fatalities/property damage), then double crossed Bushco?

[Bridget Burke]

4. Some stories say all the hijackers didn't even know the full plan...

Just too many questions & too few answers.

Why did Chimpie resist the investigation? Why did he avoid testifying? His private interview (with Cheney holding his hand) was not under oath--& not recorded.

[RethugAssKicker]

2. What's LIHOP/MIHOP?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. Let/Made It Happen On Purpose

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. Let it happen on purpose and Made it happen on purpose. n/t

[babylonsister]

8. LIHOP=Let It Happen on Purpose, or allowed; MIHOP=

Made It Happen On Purpose, or engineered.

[Oversea Visitor]

6. From beyond the media curtain

Yes there are so many unanswer question and the admistration is withholding information

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. PNAC alone is enough reason to be suspicious. (nt)

[patdem]

9. Yes, add PNAC to the mixture of this plot . . . but it PROVES nothing

I guess if I had been an adult when Kennedy was killed I would have felt like this. The feeling that the people who know the most are not talking. It is truly frustrating and quite sickening!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. Kennedy's an apt comparison.

Unlike Kennedy though, most people think they already know everything and do not care to look. That doesn't exactly drive investigative journalism, you know?

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[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

Interesting.

I wish there were connections to more hard stories in that link. It would lend it more credibility. Given how our government treated the USS Liberty, I wouldn't be surprised if that were true.

[KurtNYC]

18. I think the political angle of that site

clouds whatever theory they are advancing. The van incident was widely reported here but lost in the crush of events that day and in the days that followed.

A better site and invaluable resource for understanding more about 911 is Paul Thompson's:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&the_post-9/11_world=otherPost911Events

[philb]

27. 9/11 plan was origianally developed by U.S. while Bush 1 was CIA director

But its had a lot of history and connections since then as well.
Its not something new or that a lot of people didn't know about.
http://www.flcv.com/911hist.html
http://www.flcv.com/warnings.html

[DemonFighterLives]

11. The truth will come very slowly

Hopefully not as long as the truth about the Kennedy assassination.
We will need to clear all the bushes out before we can get a chance to investigate.

[Lerkfish]

13. I used to disbelive LIHOP or MIHOP, but have since come to this...

inescapable conclusion:

forgetting all other details, THIS is the one that proves probability of at least LIHOP to me:

The country was under attack from (supposedly) unknown sources and of unknown scope.
The job of the secret service is to protect the president. period. Therefore, WHY:

-- did the SS not whisk Bush away to a safe location for hours, even though he was at a SCHEDULED photo op, and therefore vulnerable to anyone who knew that?
-- did the SS made no effort to even increase his safety AT THAT LOCATION, even if they were not going to relocate.
-- did the SS allow Andrew Card to decide that the president could stay? If the president is in danger, all other considerations, especially political or PR are outranked by the SS.

To me, this is the elephant in the living room on 9/11
all other things may be unprovable, but this is clearly provable: The secret service failed completely in their duties on 9/11 to ensure the safety of the president. This can only mean one of two things:

1. They were grossly incompetent. Which, if so, why were they not reprimanded?
2. They were complicit, and knew there was no threat to the president, just like they knew there was no threat when he was bicycling. Consider: at that point in the day, NONE of us knew how many attacks were taking place or going to take place. Why did the SS know not to worry?

[patdem]

14. Do we know who the SS agents were that day? And if so, have they

or their backgrounds been investigated? Were they questioned by the 9/11 commission? There are SO many questions, yet so few answers. I am so impatient. This is the BIGGEST attack on American soil. Hawaii was not a state of the United States when it was attacked, so it was assets attacked not America when Pearl Harbor attacks happened. I just don't understand the lack of answers to this horrendous action.

See even your answer produces more questions.

[BlueEyedSon]

15. Exactly, unless they knew the plan, they should have had every

reason to believe the POTUS would be a potential target ALSO AT THAT TIME.

[QuettaKid]

19. *DING DING DING!!!!!!!*

we have a winner......

[stickdog]

20. Here's a line of inquiry that might interest you as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x44663

[Lerkfish]

23. very interesting...

apparently I need to spend time in that forum.

[tanyev]

24. Yes, I had a moment of revelation when I saw a picture of our

"top defense team" all together at Crawford. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Myers, and Condi. Not a SINGLE one of them did what their job entrusts them to do in a time of crisis.

Bush: Sat frozen with fear/indecision/whatever for half an hour
Cheney: Went underground, started giving orders he had no authority to give
Rumsfeld: The ONLY person who had authority to pass on the President's (non-existent) orders ran outside to play Florence Nightingale
Myers: Was in a meeting, gave orders he was not to be disturbed for any reason whatsoever
Condi: The National Security Advisor who was given numerous warnings of an impending crisis, yet never made any recommendations to do anything

If it's not LIHOP or MIHOP, it's gross incompetence of an impeachable level.

[Independent_Liberal]

16. Yes, it gives me the creeps too...

Have you ever checked out this site?

www.oilempire.us

This site gave me nightmares not to be imagined when I first encountered it.

[undeterred]

17. I love the September 11 forum

but I don't venture into those deep waters every day. This is a VAST subject and you can spend hours and hours just following the links on one part of it like WTC7 or flight 93.

[realFedUp]

21. Read David Ray Griffin's books, see his speech at U of Wisconsin

You'll start waking up, clearing that fine dust
from your eyes.
Rove said Dems don't "get" 9/11"...the trouble
is we see everything this administration wanted
happen because of it.

[ScaRBama]

22. I don't think we......

will ever know the full truth.
I only know that after all the lies we have been told by Bush&Company how the hell could we believe anything they tell us.
I don't believe the official story of 911 no more than I believed the official story of WMD and Iraq. If they would lie about that,then why would anybody believe a word that comes out of their mouths?

[raccoon]

25. Exactly, I think most people understand that politicians lie

but the lies of this administration have been (still are) so frequent and so glaring and such BIG lies, especially lying to get the US into an illegal war.

As you said, "If they would lie about ,then why would anybody believe a word that comes out of their mouths?" In RL, when someone is a known liar, nobody with any sense believes a word that comes out of their mouth. Why the Bushbots continue to shove their heads up where the sun don't shine and continue to support the administration, I just don't get.

[spooked911]

26. I agree-- thinking about government complicity used to give me the serious

creeps and make me sick to my stomach. But you do get used to it. However, it still is hard to accept sometimes.

[philb]

28. As those who study political/intelligence history in the U.S. know, there

is a long history of events like 9/11 in the U.S. to manipulate and motivate the public into supporting wars or programs or politicians who they would not normally support.

Name a major conflict or intervention, there is likely a 9/11 type event known to be connected with getting the U.S. involved. But somehow the public needs to be better informed to not be so easily fooled. From the start I thought it was obvious that 9/11 could not have happened the way it was being described.

And its obvious we don't have a serious free or public media system in the U.S. these days. It seems to totally be controlled by money and special interest.

[Christophera]

29. Creeps = Unconscious: Unconsicous Works Better Than Secret.

Uh huh. ............... Lots of people get the creeps with 9-11. From my observation, the behavior of allowing that to impede finding or developing adequate information, does not have justification with regard to the consequences of not knowing the truth.

I'm glad you have the courage to get involved.

Americans have bee dissociating the seriously abberant behavior of government for 2 decades.

[Rob Conn]

30. More than 2

Fear impedes rationality. Fear obscures the truth relative to emotional investment. "Fear is the mind killer." People will hide from the truth. It does take a lot of courage to face the facts these days. I'd say its been big for the past forty years. But we need to be skeptical now more than ever. Teach history. - R.C.

[undeterred]

31. I don't know at exactly what point this post was moved to this forum

but it seems like the posts are lasting longer in GD, and more people are thinking about 911.

"The 9/11 forum gives me the creeps, but I am drawn to it like a moth to a flame."

This is the ONLY forum where I read every single word of each post and follow the links or bookmark them and follow up on them later. I will always feel like a 'newbie' here, as the subject matter is so overwhelming.

But I really appreciate all the 'experts' who post here that have obviously made a real commitment to finding the truth.

You know who you are. :yourock: