How long do we have to keep up the pretense that Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld

[KlatooBNikto]

did not have anything to do with committing 9/11?

[mopaul]

1. a bit longer i think

[rfranklin]

2. Until you can prove it in court.

MIHOP or LIHOP doesn't matter until you can prove it. (And i say this believing that it was MIHOP.)

[KlatooBNikto]

4. Are the standards of proof for public opinion the same as those for

a legal case ,i.e. beyond the shadow of a doubt. If our doubt persists, would it be adequate to create a groundswell so that public opinion is enough to defeat them at the polls?

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[KlatooBNikto]

12. As it stands, a great circumstantial case can be built on the following:

1.They had dreamed of a Pearl Harbor and it happened, as if by magic,
on a scheduled day.
2.They have stonewalled all independent investigations into the event.
3. Many events such as the NORAD stand down occurred as if on cue on that day.
4. All physical evidence was carted away to hide any tell tale signs of their complicity.
5. Bush and Cheney would not testify under oath to their toady commission.They would not testify separately.
6. Any group that can lie about a War per the DSM, and send American soldiers to their deaths, is capable of meeting its political agenda by executing our own Reichstag Fire.

That should be enough to sway public opinion which is already shifting to our viewpoint.The DSM has ignited doubts about the entire credibility of this administration. A tsunami is coming at them, with them blissfully unaware.

[Oversea Visitor]

15. The airline stock speculation

The trail who amaze you
Some greedy fuck make money from 911
Insider trading ???? Hey or High treason???
Check their excuse when people try to investigate

[raccoon]

25. Yes, the airline stock speculation

that was one BIG red flag.

And it went totally down the memory hole, didn't it?

[Oversea Visitor]

34. What you expect them to say

It is clear indication that somehow some people know and decided to make a killing.

It is sad when Money is more important then live
Even sadder that a goverment can consider it a none issue

[philb]

43. Case for LIHOP is well documented and solid

http://www.flcv.com/warnings.html
http://www.flcv.com/offcom77.html
http://www.flcv.com/offcom93.html
http://www.flcv.com/offcom11.html
http://www.flcv.com/offco175.html

[Evergreen Emerald]

19. It wasn't in the Clinton era!

[JerseygirlCT]

26. That groundswell won't happen unless you've got

rock-solid proof. This is NOT something the American people want to believe. You're going to have to have something so air-tight, so totally convincing that they start to have second thoughts. Even then, it will be a struggle. Nothing more powerful than what people want to believe. See most of the GOP as an example.

[Tesla]

5. I saw a movie

called "911,In Plane Site"
http://www.911inplanesite.com/


Pretty trippy if you ask me!!!

[iconoclastic cat]

6. Is "trippy" good or bad in this case?

[Tesla]

8. Trippy as in

It made it's case for their guilt.
Narrated by Martin Sheen

[Mnemosyne]

9. There is more.

Check this out.
http://www.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

I saw "911 In Plane Site". I was pissed.

I watched "Reopen 911" and almost had a stroke!

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[ComerPerro]

37. Exactly. I think that was the true beauty of their plan

They knew that it was an idea so unspeakable, so terrible, that most Americans would reject the truth and it would be nearly impossible to prove (especially considering how secretive they are).

[KlatooBNikto]

38. Are you talking about the Kennedy,Martin Luther King asassinations?

[ComerPerro]

39. Well, hell. Maybe. But I was reffering to 9/11

much of the public can't even get their mind around the idea that the administration would do something so terrible just so they could have an excuse to push their policy and get some more seats in Congress.

And, since even suggesting that they let 9/11 happen is such a wild and outrageous claim, they knew that no one would be able to credibly accuse them without solid proof, which they are denying.

[HughBeaumont]

3. As long as the corporate media,

Repukes, even some dumbasses on our side, brand anyone who implies it as a "conspiracy nut" . . . sorry, too many unanswered questions, doubters. Too many holes. Too much obvious fishyness not to turn the spotlight on the BFEE and PNAC.

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[mopaul]

14. exactly what proof do you require?

[KlatooBNikto]

16. I am not sure what to make of posts made by people who are new to this

board who, when contradicted, either go into hiding or get all ornery and huffy and puffy.

[mopaul]

20. i thought my name WAS dumbass till i was 14, so i'm not offended by it

[HughBeaumont]

18. Do your own research. Think for yourself.

To just fall in step and say "it happened exactly as our White House parents explained it, no questions asked" is simply foolish. I mean, come ON. Amidst the numerous amounts of non-repeated news footage, incredibly questionable pre-9/11 events (such as Bin Laden meeting with a CIA official in Dubai when he should have been killed on the spot (the only site that attempts to debunk this is, of course, NewsMax) among others), damning photos and buried eyewitness accounts and testimonials, anyone who still doesn't even believe at least a LIHOP at this point is fooling themselves into complacency. I don't understand what more proof that you need that isn't out there already.

[mopaul]

21. & i've heard rumors that our govt. hasn't been entirely forthcoming lately

on certain issues. some call it being 'misled', others call it fucking lies.

[HughBeaumont]

36. I'm believing the latter one, myself . . .

[greekspeak]

28. "it happened exactly as our White House parents explained it....

This is how America works today. It is easy to believe what the media insists upon, and since the media seems to agree to that sentiment as well, it is what we have. Any dissent from the official line is immediately met with "liberal bias" and quashed. Anyone who disagrees with it is called a "damned librul" who "hates America" and needs to go live in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. with Hillary, Jane Fonda and any other public figure who does not toe the line. Until media control is wrested from the hands of the right, don't look for much change.

[HughBeaumont]

29. Or my favorite: Move to France.

Unfortunately, Big Media is parented by conglomerates. Who controls conglomerates? Republicans, all of whom have a stake in the dollars the BFEE's political decisions bring them.

[greekspeak]

31. The conglomerates grow by the day. In every area of business

Here in Tallahassee, our SouthTrust has become Wachovia. A bigger, "better" bank. Like WalMart and the media empires, there is a huge move toward monopolization. And companies are people too. Can't forget that crap.

And by the way...love your alias. I watch Leave it to Beaver all the time, if for no other reason than to watch June Cleaver clean house in full skirts, pumps, and perfectly coiffed hair.

[rooboy]

7. I believe 9/11 was done FOR them, but not BY them. n/t

[Jacobin]

17. How long to we have to keep up the pretense that

some muslims are not so pissed off at the U.S. for its conduct against other muslims in the world, that they would want to attack the U.S.

I find these 'theories' that we blew ourselves up an odd and dangerous denial of the fact that our arbitrary and harmful conduct in the world can create enemies who want to attack this country.

Are these theories put forth by apologists for Israel's treatment of Palestinians, or what?

Just asking

[KlatooBNikto]

22. I do not deny that our conduct against the Muslim world before and after

9/11 has been reprehensible.But given the nature of this administration and its mindset of throwing its weight around as the Global Hegemon, my argument has more merit.

[Jacobin]

23. Ok, if you say so

:eyes:

[mopaul]

24. true, we deserved to be attacked

i guess is what your saying? which is partially true, but it's very un-p.c. to say aloud. any number of crazies in the muslim world could very well have attacked us, and we are all speculating because THE GOVERNMENT HAS LIED TO US HERE LATELY, so we are not exactly inclined to automatically believe the official story.

everyone knows from the previous administration that you cannot trust a liar.

[JerseygirlCT]

27. No one deserves to be attacked

we've behaved quite badly, and so have a great many other countries in the world. We hold more power, which probably gives us far more responsibility. Regardless of where the attacks originated or why, no one deserved them, you know?

[KlatooBNikto]

30. I agree with your sentiment.

[Jacobin]

33. Those are your words and are RW talking points

designed to make it sound like I welcomed or wanted the attacks.

I'm simply positing that if you go around pissing on other people and other countries long enough, they might piss back on you.

It's not something I think we 'deserve' or 'wanted'....its simply a consequence we have reaped from our behavior.

[Patty Diana]

32. We're Still in the Dark on the Kennedy Assassination

But we've still not let it go__so maybe there's hope that the truth about the 911 attacks will come out

[KlatooBNikto]

35. In the case of 9/11, stolen elections, War on Iraq there is a continuous

thread of misdeeds each one impacting the other and when the props from one, such as the War on Iraq have come tumbling down, there is a greater probability that the entire edifice of lies will fall.

I think that unease about the Bush regime is reflected in the polls after DSM and this is why they are running like chicken (hawks) with their heads cut off.

[rolleitreks]

40. until the people that think so get their medication, are hospitalized or

otherwise depart, leaving the field to the reality-based community more intent on achieving political change than fostering absurd comspiracy theories.

[anarch]

41. how will anything ever be proved beyond circumstantial evidence?

since one of the biggest crime scenes in history, including any potential physical evidence, was cleaned up/destroyed prior to any investigation...and any inquiry was stalled, put off, obstructed, etc.(and basically useless, once the 'official version' was completed). If that isn't a cover-up, I don't know what is...

Will someone come forward some day? I doubt it...I dunno.

Anyway, if you count "we" in the question as "the whole population of the world", I don't think "we" ever had that pretense. Any non-U.S. people want to vouch for that?

[leesa]

42. I don't keep up the pretense. They did it. No doubt in my mind.