Eyewitness of WTC-Controlled Demolition

[SittingBull]

WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition
WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors. Also, two other men trapped and drowning in a basement elevator shaft, were also pulled to safety from underground explosion..
June 24, 2005

By Greg Szymanski

What happened to William Rodriguez the morning of 9/11 is a miracle. What happened to his story after-the-fact is a tragedy.

But with miracles and tragedies comes truth. And truth is exactly what Rodriguez brings to the whole mystery surrounding 9/11.

Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors.

More:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/28031.htm

[Pachamama]

1. Husband & I lost 5 friends on 9/11-we pray every day that the truth will

finally come to light....The families of our dead friends have never believed that the gov't has told them the whole story and there have always been so many inconsistencies that one has to wonder often - why?

When I hear a story like this and if I saw the irrefutable testimony and accounts of these people, I would say there is no doubt in mind that there is a cover-up and that this was a purposeful event.

I have never understood how those buildings were able to come down so "perfectly" and quickly....Even the gov't hasn't really explained it except for the "jet fuel" and "heat" theory....It has never really sounded right to me, but I'm not an architect or structural engineer, so I can't decipher the facts or physics, but if Mr. Rodiriguez and others saw/felt an explosion in the basement BEFORE the plane hit and there was someone who burned in the basement, not on the top floors below the plane hitting, then this is pretty serious stuff....

We must never stop searching for the truth....

[Klimmer]

33. I am so sorry and angry that the criminals who have hi-jacked . . .

our government have done this to us and the world. It is very unbelievable on the face of it. Who could imagine in a million years that they are capable of doing this? The scary part is what is coming next?

But as many have discovered, this is not the first time our government has done something like this. This is the first time they have done it on so massive a scale though. How could our government do this to us? This is the hurtle that really stumbles most from believing what the "9-11 Truth Movement" is discovering and un-covering. I had the hardest time coming to accept this. But after digging for the truth and reading and watching and examining the visual and the physics of 9-11 evidence then there is now no doubt in my mind. All the pieces of the puzzle are fitting together very precisely now. You have to throw your brain out the window to believe the official government white-wash version. There is no going back. My mother raised no fool.

However, when you really start asking "Why?", then like Michael Ruppert author of "Crossing the Rubicon"
( http://www.fromthewilderness.com ) as well as many other authors and film makers in addition now, there is a reason in the sick demented mind of the Neo-cons. It is all about "A Second Pearl Harbor." They wanted this war to happen in the worst way. They needed everyone on board, and we were duped (the world was duped) big time. It is all about "Peak Oil," it is all about carving up the riches of Iraq: "Iraq: The carve-up begins . . ."
http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=251021

We are dealing with an ultimate evil wolf cloaked in right-wing religious sheep's wool.

[SharonRB]

Sorry, I just can't buy into this

I know there are a lot of people who believe this was an inside job, but I just can't. I suppose these same people believe the Enquirer front page that says Hillary is gay. You just can't believe everything you read.

On edit: Okay, now that I've read the whole article, let's say the story is true -- and I have no reason to think Rodriguez made this up. It still doesn't mean it was an inside job. It could be a cover-up as to what really happened (for what reason, I don't know), but couldn't the terrorists have planted bombs in the building to make sure it collapsed in concert with being hit by the planes? Maybe it was an insurance policy on their part that the buildings would be destroyed one way or the other. I just can't let myself believe our own govenment really planned this. I can believe they covered up the reality, but not that they caused -- even as much as I hate them and know they are evil.

[C_U_L8R]

5. I was there

Only 20 feet from the North Tower when the first plane impacted.
From my perspective.. I did not see, hear or feel any explosions
before the plane hit the tower.

In my opinion, the planes did enough damage to bring down the towers.
without any extra help. It was pretty darn catastrophic.

[Klimmer]

18. You were there and you didn't experience what so many others . . .

and that seismic evidence from a seismograph at a university nearby so plainly show (massive spikes on the drum just prior to each tower collapsing which is the signature of explosives) ? I think you are full of loads of disinformation and Bushit:

Get educated ---

Geronimo Jones - Controlled Demolition of the World Trade Center:
http://212.87.68.69/phpwebsite/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=13

NYFD Firemen discuss explosions prior to WTC towers collapsing:
http://www.letsroll911.org/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg
http://www.letsroll911.org

Dave VonKleist of "Power Hour" interviews Nila Sagadevan (30 yr. Aeronautical Engineer and Commercial Pilot):
http://911verses.com/underground/2005-06-06_Dave_vonKleist_Interviews_Nila_Sagadevan.MP3

4 Hour Video available on "Bombs inside the WTC":
http://www.bombsinsidewtc.dk/

Coalition of Scientists and Engineers look at the Evidence of 911 (Great Resource):
http://www.physics911.net



WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE!!!:argh:

[philb]

21. What caused the molten steel in the residue at WTC towers?

What caused the molten steel in the residue at WTC towers?
http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/radio/youreyesdontlie/index.html
http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/wtc.htm

New York Sanitation Workers had to haul off molten steel beams
http://www.wasteage.com/mag/waste_dday_ny_sanitation/

Hot spots in WTC residue too hot for gasoline fires
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html

The molten steel and hot temperatures for months in the residue have been shown to not be consistent with very short lived gasoline fires or normal building fires.

Jet engines are made of steel and don't melt or deform. The temperature at the towers was known to be more lower.

[C_U_L8R]

28. No need for the name calling dude...

All I said was .. from my vantage point at the time.... there was no apparant explosion BEFORE the first plane hit. I'm just reporting what I personally witnessed... and it's totally possible that someone else with a different vantage point saw something else.

Now take your "disinformation" insult and stuff it with your "seismic evidence"

[oblivious]

42. They mean explosions before the towers fell, not before the planes hit.

[Christophera]

44. How About 1 Second After Impact?

There were clearly explosions and the sequence Rodriguez disagrees with others by stating that the explosions were just before the impact. Many other reports agree on explosions just after impact. in fact there is a report that speaks of a 9 second delay (Morelli) to a second explosion that has some corroboration.

This sequence issue is not too important because in the confusion and uncertainty of events, even a group can make a mistake about that.

Consider:
They don't expect the walls to blow up. After hearing a plane hit the building, something easier to belive than walls blowing up, an erroneous assumption could be made as to sequence and perpetuated.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. Research into it more

See for yourself. PM Dzika and see if he'll give you the film "Loose Change." Also at http://www.mininova.org you can download other 9/11 docs. I suggest all of them including Alex Jones'. He may be a bit out there for some but all his 9/11 info I do trust and have matched up with my own research. Check out 9/11 truth sites. Read the PNAC plans. It WAS an inside job.

[SittingBull]

13. The reality doesn't fit

to what you can imagine or not.

One question: If there was a opportunity to gain power and money in the billions, would you think that lost of life play a role?

[philb]

20. Firefighters: WTC2 fires small and controllable

Firefighters: WTC2 fires small and controllable

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/08/04/wtc.firefighters / http://thememoryhole.org/911/firefighter-tape-excerpts.htm http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/09/nyregion/09TAPE.html?ex=1118548800&en=3a5271dc64a05dfa&ei=5070&oref=login http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/911physics.php http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=45004&mesg_id=45133


look at the videos of the basement of WTC before the "collapse" -
towards the last of the pictures

German Engineers: planes and gravity could not have caused WTC collapse
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/GER312A.html

[pointless]

46. never made it

The firefighters never made it above the very lowest floor that had damage from the impact. They saw the very least of the damage. What was on the floors above is still a mystery.

The German engineer site is meh. The engineer claim is not backed up by anything. Plus, the apparently self proclaimed engineer is a bit rusty on his engineering and physics knowledge.

[undeterred]

25. "You just can't believe everything you read."

That's why you have to read and question everything, starting with the official story. Are there parts of it that just don't seem to make sense?

None of us knows what really happened on 9/11 and there are probably no two people who post in this forum who agree perfectly. But there is a ton of information posted here, and thousands of people working on finding out the truth. I didn't believe it for a long time either, and none of us wants to believe it. But the more I read and listen, the more I realize how unbelievable the official cover story is.

The truth of what happened on 9/11 is buried deep and will not come out on its own, we have to fight for it. There are lots of people who know some little piece of the truth who are gradually coming forward and they deserve to be listened to.

[SharonRB]

2. Dupe

[donsu]

3. and there was a report from a cop/firefighter that reached the floor

where the plane came in and said that the whole floor was NOT on fire. then he heard an explosion from somewhere else in the bldg. and then he was not heard from again.

kick

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Also with security

guess who was in charge? Bush's brother NEIL! His contract "happened" to end on 9/11/01. Look at who profited since 9/11. What we owe as a nation to the people who did die on 9/11 is to get the real people who did this. Not some extreme Islamic CIA boogeyman.

[RedSock]

31. uh no

it is marvin you are thinking of -- and he was not "in charge" of security.

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[SittingBull]

41. It must be...

John O'Neill.


http://globalresearch.ca/articles/GOD111A.html


Paul was the former treasury minister.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml

[femme.democratique]

45. Whoops, you're right - I get them all confused :-)

[fooj]

4. But you can believe what you see with your own eyes...

peace.

[graywarrior]

6. Wouldn't NY fire fighters have figured this out?

If this is true, why are they not shouting it from the roof tops. If anyone would know, they would.

Just asking.

[RPM]

9. aren't they under gag order?

even if they knew, could they talk?

[FreedomAngel82]

11. And their families and themselves

would be killed or threatned. Look at what has happened to anybody who has gone up against the Bush family! They're either politicially destoryed, "missing" or murdered.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. LOL

You don't know many New York City firefighters, do you?

Gag order! :rofl: Oh my God I have to show this to my FDNY buddy. Gag order!! :rofl: That's fucking hilarious!

[Klimmer]

27. Actually, the FDNY eye- witnesses were not allowed to give testimony . . .

to be included in the official "white-wash" 9-11 Commission Report I believe is what I have read . . . correct me if I'm wrong.

They have so much to say if those in power will just listen. But you know their official reaction, imagine our government with blinders on and their fingers in their ears blabbing loudly --- "la-la-la-la-la-la-la . . . we're not listening and you can't make us . . . la-la-la-la-la-la-la."

Funny, many people especially "Rethugs" have this reaction when faced with the 9-11 Truth Movement.

[philb]

30. 9/11 Evidence destruction, suppression, and cover-up

9/11 Evidence Destruction - A pattern of systematic destruction and disappearance of evidence runs throughout the official response to the 9/11/01 attack. All of the crime scenes were mopped up with systematic efficiency, while farce investigations provided cover. Such evidence destruction was only one part of an even larger feature of the crime: an evidence vacuum, wherein even the reasons for the disappearance of evidence remain hidden behind a wall of government unaccountability and official farces such as the Kean Commission.
http://911review.com/coverup/evidence.html

WTC coverup firefighter’s information made secret
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:kzDFztctf5sJ:www.rense.com/general48/ciwc.htm+911+wtc&hl=en

CNN WTC story cover-up http://bushflash.com/swf/wtc.swf

Media doctored reports and videos at WTC to edit out reference to explosions
http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/01-911/2003/05C1-09-03-03-evidence-of-pre-collapse-explosions-at-WTC.html

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[undeterred]

29. From what I've heard the NY firefighters

and everyone in NYC despises Bush. They will probably start shouting it from the rooftops about the time everyone else does. They'd probably risk losing their jobs, as would the air traffic controllers who have been silenced.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Check out this site

http://www.reopen911.org They have a video on the left menu side where a guy is talking about bombs going off in the tower.

[Mugsy]

12. Ridiculous crap!

I'm sick of "9/11 conspiracy theories". They only give credence to the "Loony Left" accusations.

By destabilizing the buildings near the top, the buildings were almost guaranteed to "pancake" straight down as they did. Do you know what it would take to topple such huge buildings?

Stop the BS, please!

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[philb]

24. It appears to me you haven't paid any attention to evidence and the scienc

which is well documented here and referenced.

Be specific about what you think is bogus; and give your reasons why.
If it is obvious that should be easy.

how do you explain the molten and evaporated metal in the residue?
Have you looked at the pictures?

Do you really think the pancake effect explains the following pictures of "explosions and explosive eruptions" ?


Massive explosions at the start of the WTC towers disintegration
(isn’t it clear this wasn’t caused by a “pancake” effect)
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/mushrooming.html http://bushflash.com/swf/wtc.swf
http://www.reopen911.org/video/collapse.mov

More witnesses:
http://64.233.161.104/custom?q=cache:c4SKNriFRpIJ:www.reopen911.org/Tarpley_ch_6.pdf+Webster+Tarpley+9/11&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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[drduffy]

17. anyone who expresses doubt

..... I posted this some time ago on the 'Smirking Chimp' in a discussion about 9/11

I decided, please forgive me, to post this here as well so the urls included would be obvious and available to perusers of this discussion.

One needs to know the difference between false deductive argumentation (the Bush administration's argument based upon the claim that muslim terrorists planned and executed 911 and the creation of evidence to support that claim) versus a cumulative argument (as is presented in the video 'In Plane Sight') the primary intent of which is to show the administration is lying and most probably complicit in its execution. So, in other words, if lying and obfuscating (and in so many ways) then why? The description of the current video for sale is here: http://www.policestate21.com/, and here: http://www.911inplanesite.com/. You are encouraged by Power Hour to copy the video to give it to others.
The Power Hour radio site is here:http://www.thepowerhour.com/.

A a very detailed and well-researched cumulative argument is also presented in 'The New Pearl Harbor, Disturbing Questions About The Bush Administration and 9/11' by Dr. David R. Griffin - bio here: http://www.meta-library.net/bio/dg-body.html) and video of his presentation at University of Wisconsin, Madison is here: http://www.911blogger.com/2005/04/proper-release-of-griffin-in-madison.html. It has also been presented on CSPAN2 twice and is scheduled for another airing.

Before expressing skepticism regarding 9/11 each and every one of you should take the time to read Griffin's book. Then argue if you will.

btw, Dr. Griffin is a noted and well-respected conservative theologian and philosopher of theology. Before I did my Ph.D. in clinical neuropsychology I did graduate work in the philosophy of science, logic and of religion and know Dr. Griffin is highly regarded and well recognized in his field of study.

And if you think such an act by a government or facilitated by them is unthinkable...then YOU don't know the history of the US.

[SouthernDem2004]

19. LOL, check out this article by the same author:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/20949.htm


LOL, the space aliens live among us!!!

[SittingBull]

23. What impact has that

for the story of William Rodriguez?

[SouthernDem2004]

37. Seems obvious to me....

He has an article about space aliens with a witness and a story.
He has an article about WTC conspiracy with a witness and a story.

It certainly was an impact on his credibility.

[SittingBull]

43. Sorry

this was an impermissible defamation equation.

Just look at the facts of the Rodriguez-story.

[seatnineb]

32. That is why he adds this............

....at the end of his article:

If there are lingering doubts, they come from lack of corroboration, lack of physical evidence and Hall's inability to provide the names of those persons who may also have first hand knowledge.

If he is telling the truth, this added information would only give credence to his incredible story.

And as they say, until further evidence comes forward, the jury is still out!

Greg Szymanski.

Funny how you forgot to mention that.

[SouthernDem2004]

38. Funny how I did not quote any of the article...

I was hoping people would be able to read it for themselves.

Hey, believe what you want to believe. Do not bother to question the source if you like. I have read some of his other articles myself.

[RamboLiberal]

22. Huge hole in this janitor's story - timeline

It’s a miracle Rodriguez, 44, who worked at the WTC for 20 years, is even alive. Usually arriving to work at 8:30am, the morning of 9/11 he reported 30 minutes late. If he’d arrived on time, it would have put him at the top floors just about the same time the jetliner hit the north tower.

8:46 a.m.: Flight 11 Hits the North Tower of the World Trade Center

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_9/11=aa11

People were burned on the ground floor by the burning jet fuel cascading down and blowing out the cascading elevator shafts. In fact one seriously burned woman's husband wrote a book about her travails. She and her husband were interviewed on MSM when their book appeared. The name of the book escapes me now though it should be easy to find on Amazon.

BTW, I'm glad this got moved to the 9-11 forum - I hate when these topics appear in GD. I agree with the poster who said it makes us look like the looney left.

I've read the Griffin book - IMHO it's has some merits on Bush movements that day, but a lot of it is all the 9-11 conspiracy theories thrown against the wall by Griffin. I don't find it a serious treaty.

I do think there is a lot to be explained about 9-11, but I doubt the bombs in the WTC, and I doubt that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

A lot of the evidence you guys site is questionable long range videos and witnesses of that day who have never been reinterviewed. Witnesses are notoriously unreliable. I see very little from knowledgeable people who were at the scene that day.

And it does drive me crazy that so much of this was never seriously investigated. I do wonder why the WTC steel was sold so quickly, but I think it was because it would've shown the WTC was of somewhat questionable construction and fireproofing.

And I do buy in to that the attacks that day were LIHOP and may be to a certain extent MIHOP, but the attacks alone were sufficient for PNAC's purposes, they didn't need to enhance them with the risky placement of explosives in the WTC, etc.

[demodewd]

26. really?

You really believe the buildings would have fallen as they did without the aid of explosives,pulverizing the non-metallic materials so quickly in the collapse and creating huge flurries that swept through Lower Manhattan at 30 mph?

[Make7]

34. How disappointing.

I thought for sure, from the title of this thread, that this would be the smoking gun we've all been waiting for, but unfortunately it is not.
____________________

From the other thread about this article:

Mr Rodriguez's story seems to have changed
Mr. Rodriguez 's own words

____________________

And I'd just like to say this line from the article made me laugh:

"'Excuse me, how many public bathrooms are in this area?'"

:) Make7

[drduffy]

39. Easy to dismiss if you really haven't looked at the data.

I think some are tossing straw men and glossing over. For example, neither Griffin nor vonKleist say a plane didn't hit the Pentagon. Just that it wasn't a 757. Which is evident. There is also little conflict that building 7 was 'pulled'. The 'pancake' theory has also been thoroughly debunked regarding the North and South towers. There is a plethora of additional evidence.

Griffin's is a serious 'treatise' whether you view it as such or not. It is easy to throw out a blanket critism but unless you are willing to back it up with specifics, it is simply specious.

So I would also suggest checking the June issue of the Journal of Psychohistory which also discusses these issues coming down on Griffin's side. Similarly, Dr. Reynolds, professor emeritus at Texas A&M University, former director of the National Center for Policy Analysis' Criminal Justice Center, and Bush's former chief economist at the US Labor Department also weighs in on the building collapses of the WTC. And many, many others. You should also check out the very extensive review of data at Common Ground Common Sense. And, There is also, as one would expect, disinformation out there as well.

But the most damning of all, has been the BushCo. behavior itself.... particularly the obfuscation, lying, and resistance to allowing ANY independent investigation. So, what do they have to hide? Eh?

Check everything out before dismissing this. Remember, the US has a history of doing precisely the same sorts of things to get us to engage in war. Even FDR.

[Christophera]

40. Great Post, Rodriguez Story Conclusive To "Exploding Walls"

I was waiting for more of his story to get closer to the surface. It's pretty conclusive. The timing is curious. Other multiple witnesses (building engineers) state the time of the explosion coincided with the plane impacts.

C4 coated rebar would perfor exactly like what we see in the eyewitness accounts.