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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 05:15 PM
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Terror Drills in London on 7/7
Can you believe this????

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | July 9 2005

A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.

On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

The transcript is as follows.

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm



Really mind boggling if true.

And fits a pattern with 9/11 and other attacks.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 05:30 PM
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1. That sure is a coincidence
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 05:54 PM by lwfern
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:00 AM
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72. So they scrubed Richard Sheirer who works with......................
Richard Sheirer
Senior Vice President, Giuliani & Partners
United States

From the new list, what would be the point?
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 06:57 PM
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2. Spooked ol'chap!

I heard this at work on my lab radio!

But I had a centrifuge spinnin' samples on the other side of this big ass lab, so by the time I actually ran to the radio to turn it up and got to grips with what he was saying, I missed who it was who said it, who he worked for and what exactly he said!

And none of my mates here in the U.K heard it....

And the Beeb has been only to happy to let it rest in peace instead of investigating it further.There has been no mention of it in the national media here so far.Nothing Nill.Nada.

So I thought that was it....

But Spooked....you saved the day!

Nice one brother!

I owe you one!

:toast:









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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:38 PM
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7. No problem! I didn't know you were in the UK
in a lab to boot! I used to work in a lab but now I have to write grants and papers for a living.

Anyway-- I bet we never hear anything more about this story on the mainstream media.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:51 PM
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39. I listened to Live Five on thursday nite archives..
BBC Radio 5 (Live Five ?) has their archives up , if anyone wants to try and get the bbc only link from this interview.

It seems legit for all intents and purposes, the Peter Power guy is a real ex cop.

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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 07:00 PM
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3. Delete: duplicate post.
Edited on Sat Jul-09-05 07:11 PM by seatnineb
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 07:34 PM
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4. And Ghouliani "happened" to be in London on 7/7
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. he is the after burner..the clean-up stoogola
who owns the anthrax cleaning business just in case the villians need it..


adolph gulianni is a high ranking chikenhawk and has large ambitions but is not a bush insider IMO ..just another dictator wanna be with a huge ego and lots of powerful pals
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #6
18. re: insider
Not a Bush insider? You sure?
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #18
27. can't be sure..
they are aLl in this mess togeher..

bush cabal uses many and it seems to me that adolph gulianni is a set-up man..not a key player like cheny rummy baker and the long list of bush pals..bush cabal is a unique cabal and as octafish says dont' under estimate the BFEE.

IMO
watch your mail..found a neat article..
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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. Gulianni's command center
That evening, I was waiting to hear that the US embassy had collapsed. Later, CNN announced the US embassy closed, "until cleared to reopen."

I wonder if anyone saw any moving trucks leaving the embassy in the wee hours of Friday morning.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 05:09 PM
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31. Has he said what he was doing there?
Vacation?

I noticed his company has had speaking engagements before with the Visor people ... is it possible his company was the unnamed one in the drill?
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #31
64. that's *very* possible. good call.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:51 PM
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5. I say ole chap..remarkable coincidences..
it sounds so familiar

patterns are readable

bush is miles away from danger but close enough to shed his smirk for the phony concerned look

so if bush goes out of country in sept or oct..the USA will get whacked again
IMO

it will be on a school day and big enough for the elites to try for martial law including the separation of kids form their parents

tommy gun franco said next attack is martial law time..

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Culhavoc Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:02 AM
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8. Exercise Atlantic Blue: 7/7 Rehearsal?
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 12:23 AM by Culhavoc
Exercise Atlantic Blue: 7/7 Rehearsal?

from the Guardian:

Anti-terror drill revealed soft targets in London

"A massive anti-terror exercise carried out last April to find out how safe London's transport systems were from attack raised concern over the vulnerability of passengers, The Observer can reveal.

Washington sources have revealed that the biggest transatlantic counter-terrorism exercise since 9/11 - which included 'bombs' being placed on buses and explosives left on the London underground - raised fears over the vulnerability of 'soft targets' in the capital.

The anti-terror drill, codenamed Exercise Atlantic Blue, involved 10,000 personnel in the UK and 2,500 in the UK. It was billed as the biggest test of the anti-terror defences of both the UK and the US and was designed to improve security. The exercise featured simulated explosive, biological and chemical attacks and, in the case of London, concentrated on testing security weaknesses in the transport system."


Another drill...

"...A full-scale mock attack was staged in September 2003 to give emergency services the chance to rehearse: lessons learnt from it, including the need for specially adapted trolleys to use in rescuing passengers from narrow tunnels, were put into place last week. Firefighters have also been trained to drive tube trains, so that if a driver were killed they would be able to move a train to the safety of a platform; the trains hit last week were too badly disabled to be moved..."

more...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1525247,00.html

--UPDATE--

From Continuity Forum:
In a March 17, 2005 interview Home Office Minister Hazel Blears was asked:

Question: "What happens if a terrorist incident occurs during the exercise?"

Answer: "In the event of a major incident of any sort a decision would be taken to halt the exercise. There will be no impact on the level of policing or security within London during the week of the exercise."
http://www.continuityforum.org/news/atlanticblue

-Culhavoc
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 04:44 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. Thank you Culhavoc, Fantastic post and welcome!
I posted your links, as they are important. Thanks!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:49 AM
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9. If THIS is true...
WOW THIS LOOKS CREDIBLE FOLLOW THE LINK PLEASE AND READ IT!!!

If true it's even more a smoking gun than wargames on 9/11.

If true, this is definitive, open and shut. No one can credibly argue a coincidence. You can safely bet your life and all you hold dear that the drills were the cover for the attacks.

But is it true?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #9
15. But is it true?
Who can tell? As usual PP embellishes the facts.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

The transcript is as follows.

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now


How did the story change from a 1000 person drill to a drill for a company with over a 1000 employees?

This is precisely what happened on the morning of 9/11/2001. The CIA was conducting drills of flying hijacked planes into the WTC and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning.


The CIA was conducting drills that had airplanes flying into the WTC on 9/11? The ref link to a PP page used in this text does not even come close to saying the drill were designed to simulate an attack on the world trade center.

It is good to see that at least you ask the question "But is it true."





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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. No bullshit please
PP can embellish or get wrong whatever they like, it doesn't matter unless they faked the clip.

This is an interview with the Power fellow that ran on BBC 5, which PP claim to have heard, taped and provide in a link.

If the clip is from BBC 5, and if Power is genuine, then the fact that PP discovered this is irrelevant (well, it's to their credit).

Don't try to squirm out of this. If you're serious, you'll be seeing if Power is genuine.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. I have little doubt Power is genuine.
Once the BS of PP is stripped away you have a crisis management organization running a drill involving a group of managers (not 1000 people) that is simulating a response to a subway bomb. Given the recent Madrid bombing it is not real surprising that a drill of a subway bombing was occurring. BTW, are you aware that (at least in the states) twice annual emergency response drills are mandated for many tens of thousands of companies.

Well you may feel you can safely bet your life and all you hold dear that the drills were the cover for the attacks.

But I need just a tiny bit more evidence.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. What are the odds???? Doesn't this make you the least bit suspicious???
:think:
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. Suspicious of what?
Seriously, what am I supposed to be suspicious of?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. That it was really Al Qaeda or Islamic terrorists.
The whole thing smells like staged "synthetic terror".

Particularly since no real Islamic group had claimed responsibility and the bombings seems to have no effect except to make people afraid.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. So if someone is planning to create synthetic terror
for purposed yet unclear, part of the plan is to have a crisis management corporation having a drill that is simulating the actual attack.

And the creator of the synthetic terrorism did this because????
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. sorry but are you really that clueless?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #35
44. I guess the question is who is clueless
Your position is that some internal entity (also known as the BFEE) is creating synthetic terrorism in London and that because a company was having a drill very similar to this attack you believe this is evidence that this act was synthetic.

My question is if the attack was created by some cabal ie, not the alleged terrorist organization, why would they include the drill as part of their plan?

What purpose would it serve?

This extra component makes the plan more complicated, involves additional people, has no value in creating terror.

So tell me how this drill is linked to the synthetic terrorism, connect the dots for me.



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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. The drill would provide a cover
to anybody caught planting devices, and would also give the "company" official access to everywhere and everything (like security systems) to run the "drill."

Just speculating.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #47
52. And what if this drill was a
table top exercise.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #52
54. Yup, that's if...

The Peter Power interview is like 1:30mins long and he doesn't detail the depth of this drill, yet.


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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #44
60. Sorry-- initially I thought you were asking why they would create
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 04:11 PM by spooked911
synthetic terror, and I thought the answer was obvious. But you were asking why would they use this drill for the terror?


Okay.

Reasons:

1) it provides an easy way to plant the bombs-- a perfect pretext. If anyone is caught, they just say they were running a drill. They were just following orders.

2) but I think most importantly is that it provides a signal that the bombings were done with inside knowledge. These bombings aren't for simply scaring the public, they are meant to send a signal to people like Bush and Blair that they better get with the program. In this case, the program may be not withdrawing from Iraq or the program may even be invading Iran.

But there is one other indication that this drill is important-- none of the major media outlets have reported this after the BBC5 interview. Surely this is interesting news relevant to a major story! But the media is covering it up, because it so obviously points to an inside job-- and the MAINSTREAM MEDIA REFUSE TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT POSSIBILITY.
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. Because it pushed "terrorism" back to the top of the agenda
at a moment that was very, very convenient for Mr. Bush.


DISCLAIMER: It's only a theory and nobody's saying it's true.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #38
55. AND a fat national ID card contract
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 11:52 AM by StrafingMoose

At each 200Euros a piece. (60,441,457 people in UK)

That's about 1,2 trillion more of income each year (depending on what are the yearly renewal conditions) for the "War on Terror (TM)".

I'd use the same disclaimer as pox though...

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #21
40. 2 in 365
The odds are 2 in 365

if the drills are run twice a year?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. Actually a crisis management company may run
dozens if not hundreds of drills per year training managers and evaluating organizations ability to response to crisis.
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #46
86. Royal Flush

Even with dozens of drills, multiplied with the probability that all of the drills were planned for the SAME places and for the SAME time, you've got a pretty good chance to beat a Royal Flush.




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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #40
73. For it not to be coordinated wouldn't you need to factor in the chance....
of them wanting to bomb that particular day so like 182.5 x 365.

I am Freaking sick of this word coincidence. It comes up almost every time someone finds the explainer / apologist lying. They catch these folks with their pants down while they are trying rationalize why the story holds water. Like the wholes are so big they are even running trains though them now
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #20
32. ahem
Can you read?

This is what Peter Power supposedly said:

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

SIMULTANEOUS bombs going off PRECISELY at the railway stations where it happened at the SAME TIME. (Sorry, emphasis apparently necessary.)

Whatever the exact background of the bombings and this exercise will turn out to be: if this is true, are you saying THIS is going to be an inoccuous coincidence? Even by your numbers, what are the odds? The same scenario, the same stations, the same day, nearly the same time?

Give me the ever-fucking break!!!

What is it with you, anyway? I can only conclude your devotion to official stories with regard to possible government crimes is in its essence religious.

(Note: First one to cite "Occam's razor" in an argument that coincidence is the "simpler" explanation is going to get his figurative head hacked off with it.) ;)

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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. The only other way to explain it
would be that whoever did it has infiltrated police or emergency workers or tube personnel. But that doesn't make much sense either. What would they gain by doing it at the precise time and place of an excercise? Wouldn't that make it much more difficult rather than easier to pull it off? Wouldn't it be very easy for the police to find the infiltrators after the fact?

If it's a synthetic terror attack, then perhaps the excercise provides cover, but it's also very incriminating and you'd expect people like Peter Power and many others to speak ut.

But if it's true that the bombers left bags with bombs in the trains, then perhaps the cover of an excercise was necessary to ensure the bags weren't removed. Were the bags and bombs part of the excercise but replaced with "live" bombs or something like that? If so, can it possibly be possible to get away with that?!?

I have to agree that coincidence is the last thing this sounds like. But beyond that, I don't quite know what to make of it.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. Good points, but I bet you anything this story will go nowhere--
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 08:12 PM by spooked911
the media won't touch it.

Exactly BECAUSE it is so incriminating.

Just like they never talked about the 9/11 hijacking drills-- the US media just NEVER talked about this incredibly important fact.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #32
45. Give me a break and explain how
having a drill very similar to the attack makes any sense if you are planning the attack.

How is it incriminating?

Explain the logic, the purpose in planning this drill to coincide with the attack.

keep in mind (based on very scanty information) this drill sounds like it was a table top drill.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. doesn't matter because
This isn't a coincidence (again, if Peter Power is for real and speaking truth).

We can speculate 'til we're blue why someone might hire a PR firm to prepare a media strategy for an attack on these PRECISE stations on the very day when it actually happens.

Some ideas have been forwarded here: It depends who hired them exactly, it may have been that the drills were planned by one entity and subverted by another; or that they served as a cover; or were arranged by someone who may want the real perps to be caught.

For the moment I don't care! All that matters as a first point is that Vegas odds are worse than 180 to 1 against coincidence.

(Not just the right day but the right train stations! Gimme a break!)

Regardless of what ends up being the cause for this link, the first step doesn't change: asking why these drills were arranged, by whom, and who else knew about the drills is pretty close to question number one to any legitimate investigation.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #48
53. Great Point Jack! Don't Speculate, Investigate! n/t
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #53
56. but it's already been decided there's no coincidence
The investigation has already been framed as lets find the connection between the drill and the attacks.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Oh there is an official investigation going on? That's news to me.
If and when they do investigate. No Stone should be left unturned.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. go ahead...
Oh, please, argue for me that this coincidence -- again, based on what Power's said and assuming it's true. He's confirmed himself again on CBC (other thread).

Go ahead, I need a good laugh.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Sure thing
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 07:42 PM by LARED
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=47252&mesg_id=47253

Solomon: "We've heard something quite extraordinary - could be a coincidence or not - that your firm, on the very day that the bombs went off in London, were running an exercise simulating three bombs going off, in the very same tube stations that they went off. How did this happen? Coincidence, or were you acting on information that you knew?

Power: I don't think you could say that we had some special insight into the terrorist network, otherwise I would be under arrest myself. The truth of it is..

Solomon: But it is a coincidence.

Power: It's a coincidence, and it's a spooky coincidence. Our scenario was very similar - it wasn't totally identical, but it was based on bombs going off, to the time, the locations, all this sort of stuff. But it wasn't an accident, in the sense that London has a history of bombs, and the reason why our emergency services did so well, and prepared probably better than any other city in the world, sadly they have to be. So it wasn't exactly rocket science or totally out of the pale to come up with that scenario unusual though it be to stop the exercise and go into real time, and it worked very well, although there was a few seconds when the audience didn't realize whether it was real or not.


Add to this, this

Copyright 2005 The Press Association Limited
Press Association

July 8, 2005, Friday

SECTION: HOME NEWS

LENGTH: 159 words

HEADLINE: CRISIS 'EXERCISE' THAT WAS FOR REAL

BYLINE: Brian Farmer, PA

BODY:
A former Metropolitan Police superintendent who was heavily involved in the aftermath of the King's Cross fire in 1987 was running a crisis management course when the bombs went off yesterday.

Peter Power now runs a crisis management consultancy called Visor and was involved in an exercise with a City company yesterday when London was attacked.

Mr Power said: "I was an inspector at the time of the King's Cross fire and was involved in co-ordinating the operation.

"After leaving the Met, I set up my own crisis management consultancy.

"Yesterday we were actually in the City working on an exercise involving mock broadcasts when it happened for real.

"When the news bulletins started coming on, people began to say how realistic our exercise was - not realising there really was an attack.

"We then became involved in a real crisis which we had to manage for the company."

"It's a standard exercise and briefing that we carry out."

LOAD-DATE: July 9, 2005


Mock broadcast strongly implies it was a table top exercise. Enjoy the laugh.



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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. Well okay
Well, if he as a hired contractor says it was a coincidence (and how does he know why he was hired?) I guess I no longer need to know who the client was. I can just forget about it.

Thanks!

1981: Reagan shot. A continuity of government and presidential succession exercise was scheduled the next day.

1990: Schwarzkopf happy about Saddam invading Kuwait since they were in the middle of wargaming it (and April Glaspie had just given him the green light, but of course that was a mistake, blah blah).

9/11/2001: CIA rehearsing errant planes into a key building, NORAD rehearsing multiple hijackings in the northeast sector. But it's just a coincidence. Like the magic passport. Like the Atta luggage that didn't make the plane. Like the koran in the van and the "incriminating documents" discovered by the FBI at a hotel Atta stayed at TWO WEEKS BEFORE. Like two hijackers staying with a high-level FBI informant. Nothing to see here, goddamn it.

7/7/2005: Drills in New York, drills in London specifying the stations and the time of the actual attack.

Oh those coincidences! They just keep piling up. And the camera on the bus was broken, too. Gol'dern it.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. Huh?
9/11/2001: CIA rehearsing errant planes into a key building, NORAD rehearsing multiple hijackings in the northeast sector. But it's just a coincidence. Like the magic passport. Like the Atta luggage that didn't make the plane. Like the koran in the van and the "incriminating documents" discovered by the FBI at a hotel Atta stayed at TWO WEEKS BEFORE. Like two hijackers staying with a high-level FBI informant. Nothing to see here, goddamn it.


Are you saying on 9/11/01 the CIA was drilling for errant planes into a key building and NORAD was drilling for hijacked planes?

It amazing how these "war games" have morphed into something new over time.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #67
83. NORAD was drilling for Russian bombers in Alaska & up north Canada
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 07:27 AM by StrafingMoose
a typical Cold War scenario. This brought a certain numbers of fighters out of NY and Washington airspace.

From http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Notes.htm:

"On 9/11, NORAD was scheduled to conduct a military exercise,Vigilant Guardian, which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union"



edit for typo


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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #83
84. I'm aware of the exercises, I was asking
how those exercises morphed from what you stated into NORAD rehearsing multiple hijackings in the northeast sector.

I have noticed that often wild speculation, given enough time and repeated often enough starts to take on a life of its own.

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Tobias Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:59 AM
Response to Reply #65
74. Question
"Mock broadcast strongly implies it was a table top exercise. Enjoy the laugh."

I would like to ask you to explain your words. I´m german, my english is not perfect. I cannot find the words "Mock" / "Mock broadcast" in any dictionary, the same with "table top exercise". What´s that?

Sorry... & Thanks

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:06 AM
Response to Reply #74
79. A mock broadcast
is simply a pretend broadcast. The group pretends they are making statements being broadcast over the TV or radio.

A table top exercise is a simulation that is performed around a table. The team pretends there are people in the field responding to a crisis, but in reality they only ones doing anything.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:12 AM
Response to Reply #79
82. I'm with you on...



the tabletop issue. If it is just that, well we'll have to put this thing under our elbow for awhile.

But Tobias got a reply from Power containing a certain passage:

"It is confirmed that a short number of 'walk through' scenarios planed well in advance had commenced that morning for a private company in London (as part of a wider project that remains confidential) and that two scenarios related directly to terrorist bombs"

They developed the paper & communication side. Could the 'wider project' contain also a practical side?

Who else this 'private company' hired in the 'wider project', if it did.


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Kevin Fenton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #48
58. Odds
I don't know about 180 to 1 against. There may well be more than two such exercises a year, there may well be a propensity to run them in the week, rather than at the weekend, and the decision to go on 7 July may have been influenced by the G8 summit. Still, the fact that they were precisely those stations, means my initial, very strong assumption is that it was not just a coincidence.

I think the benefit of going on this day is that, if a person is caught, he can initially claim to be part of the exercise and perhaps use this to his advantage in some way.

However, just because it was not a coincidence does not mean that it was a false flag operation. As for the dometic political consequences, it will probably be a mixed blessing for Blair, weakening support for the war in Iraq, but increasing support for ID cards (which I don't think are going to work anyway).
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:24 AM
Response to Original message
11. How 'bout this?
"Police and intelligence agents are investigating the theory that a gang of white "mercenary terrorists" was hired by al-Qa'ida to carry out last week's devastating attacks on London.

The Independent on Sunday can reveal today that investigations into the bombings of three Tube trains and a bus, which left at least 49 people dead, are focusing on the possibility that criminal gangs were paid to mount the worst atrocities in British history."

"The theory was given credence by the fact that the security services had no advance warnings, suggesting that the bombers were not known extremists. Police and intelligence agencies admitted yesterday they were caught off guard."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298105.ece

Does this indicate there is some evidence suggesting the bombers were white caucasians? Of course it could be al-qaida paying them.

The explosive devises were "sophisticated".



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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #11
34. "worst atrocities in British history."
have more than likely been committed by Imperial britain

1776
1812
financed the south vs. the north

but if they in a jam
they ask for uncle sam

WW I
WW II
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 04:46 AM
Response to Original message
13. Thanks Spooked. I posted the same article and they locked it, since when
is it s rule that you cannot post an article with a prisonplanet link? I never heard that?
They also stopped Will Pitts post. What is up with this? This is an important story that is new and developing.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. You can check out the original Beeb link.

It is right here.....although it will be ditched after a week as this site only archives programs for 7 days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/drive.shtml



Go to:

Listen again to "Drive".


This contains all the programs for last week.

Click on:

Thu.

Press play and go to this time: 01:03:37

That is when the interview begins.


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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. Thank You!
I also had problems with people not trusting the PP source. Did you send the BBC link to Will Pitt so he can cite the original source, and leave PP out of the discussion altogether?
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Tobias Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #17
49. I could not find the interview in the original link.
I could not find the interview with Peter Power in the bbc-link.

I went to 01:03:37.

No Peter Power.

I heard it from 01:00:00 to 01:10.00

No Peter Power.

The whole length of the stream is 04:55:54, right?

I do not find a transcribt.
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Tobias Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:37 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. Found it.
It is at 02:04:22.
The whole length of the stream is 04:55:54.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 04:50 AM
Response to Original message
14. Here is an eery transcript from the BBC about a similar attack...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/londonunderattack.txt


NB: THIS TRANSCRIPT WAS TYPED FROM A TRANSCRIPTION UNIT RECORDING AND
NOT COPIED FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT: BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF MIS-
HEARING AND THE DIFFICULTY, IN SOME CASES OF IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL
SPEAKERS, THE BBC CANNOT VOUCH FOR ITS ACCURACY.
........................................................................

PANORAMA

LONDON UNDER ATTACK
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC-1 DATE: 16:05:04
........................................................................

The events in this programme are fictional
Everything else is fact



KIRSTY: This is BBC News on Tuesday May 25th, it's 8 o'clock – the headlines. The American Secretary
of State is due to arrive shortly at Heathrow Airport beginning his official visit to the UK.

GAVIN ESLER: What you are about to see is series of terrorist attacks.

KIRSTY: The Bank of England is due to revue interest rates this afternoon. Experts are saying they could
rise.

ESLER: This scenario is well researched but fictional.

KIRSTY: And police in London are on extra alert for the this evening's European Champions League Cup
Match between Arsenal and the Turkish side Galatasaray. We're just receiving news of an explosion in the
London underground near Hyde Park, this has not yet been confirmed by the police.

Tues May 25 08:27
BREAKING NEWS
There has been a second explosion in the underground, this time close to Oxford Circus. Both explosions
appear to have occurred on the trains as they were moving. We've got on further details at this stage but we
will bring you more information on this as soon as we get it.

ESLER: This is the kind of terrorist attack the government repeatedly says is going to happen.

November 2002
Tony Blair Prime Minister
Would Al-Qaeda buy weapons of mass destruction if it could? Certainly. Would it use such weapons?
Definitely.

June 2003 (Actor's voice)
Eliza Manningham-Buller
Director General MI5
We are faced with the realistic possibility of some form of unconventional attack.

December 2003
David Veness
Assistant Commissione, Metropolitan Police
We need to confront murder on a mass scale.

(more)
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 06:27 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Thanks!
Thanks to everyone working on this.
I'll be back in a couple of days.
You already found a lot of great stuff.
Keep on rocking!
:toast:
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Culhavoc Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. The US companion drill on May 16th, 2004
In the early morning hours of May 16, OEM hosted Operation Transit SAFE, the City's first interagency subway exercise, at lower Manhattan's Bowling Green subway station. Inspired by the Madrid bombings of March 2004, the four-hour drill was designed to test the City's response to a terrorist attack in the subway.

Sponsored by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Office for Domestic Preparedness (ODP), Transit SAFE involved more than 500 emergency responders and 400 NYPD recruits and FDNY probationary firefighters posing as "victims" and "evacuees."

http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/events/2004.05.16_transitsafe.html

Although the US/NYC drill and the London drill both occur on May 16th, 2004, there are no British agencies in the list of participants of Operation Transit SAFE.

-Culhavoc
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Culhavoc Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. May 16th, 2004 BBC PSY-OP???
Should the "drill" found in the BBC transcript be categorized as a "PSY-OP"?

*for anyone that missed it, this "drill/psyop" took place on the same day as Operation Transit SAFE.

-Culhavoc
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
23. Terror drills and Giuliani?
That sounds too familiar.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
28. There were pre-planned NYC drills too.
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Culhavoc Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 05:03 PM
Response to Original message
30. 7/7 Related Drills (recap)
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 05:31 PM by Culhavoc
Please add to this list if i missed any:

In addition to the 7/7 London Transit Terror Drill, there are several other potentially related drills that may have been failed attempts at simultaneous attacks or served as a diversion or rehearsal for 7/7:

1) Sept. 2003: London Transit Bombing Drill

"Whitehall sources said the tube had long been the focus of concern, both because of the difficulty of rescuing people and because of the way that, in some cases, tunnels amplify the blast. A full-scale mock attack was staged in September 2003 to give emergency services the chance to rehearse: lessons learnt from it, including the need for specially adapted trolleys to use in rescuing passengers from narrow tunnels, were put into place last week. Firefighters have also been trained to drive tube trains, so that if a driver were killed they would be able to move a train to the safety of a platform; the trains hit last week were too badly disabled to be moved."
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1525247,00.html>http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/sto...1525247,00.html

2) May 16th, 2004: Operation Transit SAFE London Companion Drill???(PSYOP???!!)

"PANORAMA
LONDON UNDER ATTACK
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC-1 DATE: 16:05:04
........................................................................
The events in this programme are fictional
Everything else is fact


KIRSTY: This is BBC News on Tuesday May 25th, it's 8 o'clock – the headlines. The American Secretary
of State is due to arrive shortly at Heathrow Airport beginning his official visit to the UK.

GAVIN ESLER: What you are about to see is series of terrorist attacks.

KIRSTY: The Bank of England is due to revue interest rates this afternoon. Experts are saying they could
rise.

ESLER: This scenario is well researched but fictional.

KIRSTY: And police in London are on extra alert for the this evening's European Champions League Cup
Match between Arsenal and the Turkish side Galatasaray. We're just receiving news of an explosion in the
London underground near Hyde Park, this has not yet been confirmed by the police..."
more...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/londonunderattack.txt>http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pr...underattack.txt

3) May 16th, 2004: Operation Transit SAFE: NYC Subway Bombing Exercise

"In the early morning hours of May 16, OEM hosted Operation Transit SAFE, the City's first interagency subway exercise, at lower Manhattan's Bowling Green subway station. Inspired by the Madrid bombings of March 2004, the four-hour drill was designed to test the City's response to a terrorist attack in the subway..."
http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/events/2004.05.16_transitsafe.html>http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/events/20...ransitsafe.html

4) April 2005: Exercise Atlantic Blue: London Transit System Bombing Drill

"A massive anti-terror exercise carried out last April to find out how safe London's transport systems were from attack raised concern over the vulnerability of passengers, The Observer can reveal.

Washington sources have revealed that the biggest transatlantic counter-terrorism exercise since 9/11 - which included 'bombs' being placed on buses and explosives left on the London underground - raised fears over the vulnerability of 'soft targets' in the capital..."

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1525247,00.html>http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/sto...1525247,00.html

5) July 7, 2005: NYC Subway Security Drill
"...Earlier on Thursday morning there had actually been a security drill with armed officers entering the New York subway - although this was unrelated to the London attacks.."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4660939.stm>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4660939.stm

6) Bennington, VT: Plane Filled w/Explosives into Nuke Plant
"BENNINGTON -- The region's first full-scale emergency drill - which included a car chase, gun shots and a fire - went off largely without a hitch Thursday at the William H. Morse State Airport..."
http://www.benningtonbanner.com/Stories/0,1413,104~8676~2956368,00.html#>http://www.benningtonbanner.com/Stories/0,...956368,00.html#

7) Lexington, NC: Chemical Attack
"Lexington, NC -- Governor Mike Easley has also asked residents of North Carolina to be on alert, and emergency crews in Davidson County were doing just that Thursday. A mock terror attack in the form of a chemical spill prepared rescue crews for the real thing..."
http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/local_state/local_article.aspx?storyid=44535>http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/local_state/...x?storyid=44535


These 7 drills are in addition to the Vision/Bombing exercise on 7/7, which makes a total of 8 potentially related drills.

Right now every researcher working on this story is trying to come up with a connection between Guilliani and Vision or another aspect of the "drills".

Since the connection between the 7/7 "drill" and Guilliani may have been obfuscated, I suggest going through all the "potentially related terror drills" posted above, researching participating security firms for every drill, and attempting to find a connection.

There may be some low-hanging-fruit to be picked.


Related tidbit:

From Continuity Forum:
In a March 17, 2005 interview Home Office Minister Hazel Blears was asked:

Question: "What happens if a terrorist incident occurs during the exercise?"

Answer: "In the event of a major incident of any sort a decision would be taken to halt the exercise. There will be no impact on the level of policing or security within London during the week of the exercise."
http://www.continuityforum.org/news/atlanticblue>http://www.continuityforum.org/news/atlanticblue



-Culhavoc
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Culhavoc Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. Current total of 9 7/7 potentially related drills
8) June 26-30: Secret 'gas' test staged at G. Central
"The Federal Department of Homeland Security released gas in Grand Central Terminal last month in a secret study of how dangerous chemicals might flow through the landmark in a terrorist attack.

Nontoxic "tracer gases" were released into the terminal between June 26-30, as scientists from four national laboratories observed, including physicists from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California..."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/325980p-278531c.html>http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/325980p-278531c.html

(the 9 figure includes the 7/7 "drill" in london)

-Culhavoc

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Culhavoc Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. 10 total potentially related drills
Nico Haupt located another potentially related drill:

"Here's another yet unlisted terror drill with Kelly involved:

Cops drill to prep for terror
NEWSDAY April 2, 2004
http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-2949.html

"...Police officers from across the city played out terrorist scenarios yesterday, from a gas attack in a hotel room to an explosion in a subway in preparation for the Republican National Convention in August.

The two-day drill, called COBRA training, is part of a goal of Police Commissioner Ray Kelly to train 10,000 members of the department in terrorist preparedness for the upcoming convention..."


-Culhavoc
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:39 AM
Response to Reply #30
51. Superb Culhavoc, fantastic site. Here are some articles/links to read.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 05:42 AM by evolvenow
Was CDI involved in any of those drills?


Bernard B. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, who is now a risk management consultant for Entergy, the owner of the plant, and was in its command center during Tuesday's simulated emergency.

The emergency drill was the same exercise performed every other year at the plant, but for the first time, the script involved terrorism. The event, which involved more than 1,000 state and local officials in addition to the F.B.I., Norad and the White House, challenged local governments, including Putnam, Westchester, Rockland and Orange Counties, to respond to a staged crisis that started around 8 a.m. and lasted until 4.


http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-4932.html

kris
June 9, 2004

A Routine Drill at a New York Power Plant, With a New Focus on Terrorism

By IAN URBINA

BUCHANAN, N.Y., June 8 - The crisis was coming fast and furious at the Indian Point nuclear power plant. First came a report that weapons, maps and documents concerning the plant had been found in a car on a highway in Connecticut. Then a Boeing 767 jet crashed near a transformer, causing a major fire and damaging several buildings.

"People were really scrambling and the mood was intense," said Bernard B. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, who is now a risk management consultant for Entergy, the owner of the plant, and was in its command center during Tuesday's simulated emergency.

The emergency drill was the same exercise performed every other year at the plant, but for the first time, the script involved terrorism. The event, which involved more than 1,000 state and local officials in addition to the F.B.I., Norad and the White House, challenged local governments, including Putnam, Westchester, Rockland and Orange Counties, to respond to a staged crisis that started around 8 a.m. and lasted until 4. The possibility that a plane could crash into the plant has been a source of concern ever since Sept. 11, 2001, when a 767, the same type of plane used in Tuesday's exercise, flew over the plant on its way to the World Trade Center.

During the drill, officials pretended to mobilize firefighters, dispatch helicopters and redirect traffic. Evacuations of parts of Westchester, Rockland and Orange Counties were simulated. Operators at the plant were confronted with mechanical malfunctions that caused Indian Point to shut down, and they also faced a major valve rupture, which leaked radioactive water. But much to the disappointment of those who are skeptical of the plant's emergency plans, there was no simulated leak of radiation, leaving many unconvinced of the drill's effectiveness.

Assemblyman Richard L. Brodsky, a Westchester Democrat and a longtime critic of the plant, dismissed the exercise as an "elaborate cartoon," calling it "a simulation of entertainment but little more."
(snip)
Matthew L. Wald and Marek Fuchs contributed reporting for this article.



----------------------------------------------------------------------

U.S. Domestic  : The Rise and Fall of Bernard Kerik

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1085


Update 12/11:
Newsweek found an arrest warrant
"...there may have been other issues at play. Kerik, who recently made millions in the private sector, once filed for personal bankruptcy as a New York cop. And just five years ago he was in financial trouble over a condominium he owned in New Jersey. More serious trouble than anyone realized: NEWSWEEK has discovered that a New Jersey judge in 1998 had issued an arrest warrant as part of a convoluted series of lawsuits relating to unpaid bills on his condo.

The magazine faxed documents, including the arrest warrant, over to the White House around 6:00 p.m. Friday, asking for comment. Neither Kerik nor the White House had any immediate response. At 8:30 p.m., Kerik had submitted his letter to the president..."

Kerik Pulls Out as Bush Nominee for Homeland Security Job
"...From the moment Mr. Kerik's nomination was announced by President Bush, news organizations have been digging into Mr. Kerik's background, from his time as a security chief at a hospital in Saudi Arabia in the early 1980's to his work during the last three years in the private sector..." (NY Times)

Update 12/10:
More Kerik compilations by the Progress Report

Update 12/08:
Homeland Security nominee was once bankrupt NYPD cop
Forbes: Kerik: Homeland Security Choice Made Millions On Taser Options

UUpdate 12/03:
Did Kerik have prior knowledge of 9/11?
He drilled "collapses" and "plane crashes"
Thompson Said Resigning From Cabinet
Many see early exit for John Snow , Andrew Card possible replacement

"It's better to fight terrorists in Iraq than in New York or Washington" (B. Kerik, 2004)

Bernard Kerik, high school dropout, presently worked for Giuliani Partners, former New York mayor's consulting firm, then he became spokesmen for George W. Bush's re-election campaign.
At the NYPD, Kerik was credited with significantly reducing inmate violence and overtime, once learned as a beat officer in Times Square, later he became police commissioner.
After he departed, scandals hit the department he had shaped, though he has denied all knowledge of those situations.
Kerik was scheduled to spend six months in Iraq in 2003 as a special assistant training Iraqi police, but left after three.
During a testimony at the 9/11 panel this May, Kerik revealed , that ex-FBI anti terror chief John O'Neill told him that there would be a pending attack on the Twin Towers.
Kerik was also authority, when handed over a passport from one of the Sep11th planes, first located by FBI agent Barry Mawn, coincidentally best friend of O' Neill.
On September 16th, Kerik declared the passport as belonging "to one of the hijackers" but already "discovered a few days ago".
Officially, according to ABC, it was found in front of WTC 7 and belonged to Sataam Al-Suqami.
It wasn't revealed, why the name wasn't disclosed earlier. Rumour has it, that the first statement included the name of Mohammed Atta, a rumour, which still circulates around.
(snip)]]

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http://kerrylibrary.invisionzone.com/lofiversion/index.php/t285.html
Really Rich Rudy

by Ben Smith

In 2001, Rudy Giuliani was Time magazine’s Person of the Year. By 2002, he was Consulting Magazine’s Consultant of the Year. And in another year or two, it was widely assumed, he’d be on another step in his rise, whether as Vice President or in a cabinet post. Then it would be on to the White House.

Instead, Mr. Giuliani has dug into his position in the private sector, where he has found unprecedented success in a new kind of consultancy that sells today’s highest-valued commodity: pure, crystalline security.

Mr. Giuliani has become a tycoon. In a 2002 divorce filing, he estimated his income from paid speeches alone—unadulterated Rudy— at $8 million. His business, dismissed at first as a resting place for his political ambitions, grossed tens of millions of dollars last year with more than 50 employees and marquee clients like Merrill Lynch. A sense of the firm’s scale emerges with the fact that it recently acquired a midsize investment bank with 140 employees. On March 29, Mr. Giuliani announced that he’d also become a partner in a Houston law firm.

Mr. Giuliani continues to position himself for a bid at the Republican nomination for President in 2008. New York Republicans would love to see him stop by the Governor’s mansion in Albany along the way. In public polls, he defeats Senator John McCain in a putative Presidential primary and Eliot Spitzer in a Governor’s race.

But Mr. Giuliani’s success in business has not been politically calibrated. It has been explosive, unorthodox and often impolitic, just like his eight years in City Hall. And as, until he was remade by Sept. 11, his draining Mayoralty seemed to rule out any bid for higher office, the comforts and the imperatives of business success could well mean that he will never be President.
(snip)
This column ran on page in the 4/4/2005 edition of The New York Observer.

http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage5.asp


kick the MOCK out of Democracy
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:59 AM
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80. kick the mock out o demockracy
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:03 PM
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42. Link from GD: FranceTV2 reports bombs were high-tech
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 08:05 PM by Pooka Fey
Thanks to Tocqueville for posting this in GD!
<quoting Tocqueville>
the four bombs weighed about 10lbs (4.5 kilos) each and were small enough to be carried in backpacks.

it indicates that the explosives were high-tech and probably of military nature.

This kind of explosives were stolen from the unguarded Al Quaqqa facility, because of major SNAFU during the fall of Bagdhad...
<end quote>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4061784
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:04 PM
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59. One thing here...


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F6C14630-6F6C-4E26-8F70-A23E18CA08FB.htm

"A Moroccan who was given asylum in the UK and named in British media as a suspect in last week's London bombings has told Aljazeera that he is innocent and not on the run."

But there is this part, that doesn't really sound good, if I understand it correctly:

"Al-Guerbouzi was convicted in absentia in his native Morocco in 2003 and sentenced to 20 years in prison in connection with bombings that killed 33 bystanders and 12 bombers in Casablanca two years ago."

Does that mean he was convicted by the Moroccan court, but didn't receive his sentence because he was in the UK ?

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:13 PM
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61. London has a long history of harboring terrorists
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:46 PM
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63. Possibly...
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 05:47 PM by StrafingMoose

But LOL, I expected something that could actually fit in Blair's mouth for example :P Like an explanation

Thanks anyways


You know, they're using THIS guy as possible suspect. What was he even doing on British soil??


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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:15 PM
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68. Some one needs to find out the name of this company
<snip>

we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name

</snip>

I bet a donut it's these guys

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bassman79 Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:38 PM
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69. american bank
He said "American Banking" company in the INT news interview archived at prisonplanet.

JP Morgan? Citigroup?
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:33 AM
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78. Not sure.
In the ITN interview snip that I have seen, Power does not mention the company he merely says it was next door to "a company occupied by jewish businessmen! ". An odd phrase I think.

He also says "We chose a scenario ....with their assistence". He does not say it was a bank, just that there are more American banks in the City than in NY.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:22 PM
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70. So that would mean...


Giuliani had his drill 'hijacked'. Maybe that's what Power meant when he said "for quite obvious reasons" read "It's obvious Giuliani is here"

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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:27 PM
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71. Yeah I hope
CBC or some other news source does some more digging to confirm it was Guiliani's firm
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Tobias Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:10 AM
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75. An email Reply from Peter Power
Yesterday I sent an email to Peter Power asking him for furhter information. Here is his reply:

**********************
Thank you for your message. Given the volume of emails about events on 7 July and a commonly expressed misguided belief that our exercise revealed prescient behaviour, or was somehow a conspiracy (noting that several websites interpreted our work that day in an inaccurate / naive / ignorant / hostile manner) it has been decided to issue a single email response as follows: It is confirmed that a short number of 'walk through' scenarios planed well in advance had commenced that morning for a private company in London (as part of a wider project that remains confidential) and that two scenarios related directly to terrorist bombs at the same time as the ones that actually detonated with such tragic results. One scenario in particular, was very similar to real time events.



However, anyone with knowledge about such ongoing threats to our capital city will be aware that (a) the emergency services have already practiced several of their own exercises based on bombs in the underground system (also reported by the main news channels) and (b) a few months ago the BBC broadcast a similar documentary on the same theme, although with much worse consequences. It is hardly surprising therefore, that we chose a feasible scenario - but the timing and script was nonetheless, a little disconcerting.



In short, our exercise (which involved just a few people as crisis managers actually responding to a simulated series of activities involving, on paper, 1000 staff) quickly became the real thing and the players that morning responded very well indeed to the sudden reality of events.



Beyond this no further comment will be made and based on the extraordinary number of messages from ill informed people, no replies will henceforth be given to anyone unable to demonstrate a bona fide reason for asking (e.g. accredited journalist / academic).



Peter Power

Visor Consultants Limited
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:31 AM
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77. Why on earth did this guy go public with this???
And why has he given so many interviews?? Why not just let it slide?

Welcome Tobias btw.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:08 AM
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85. Publicity for his company? n/t
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Tobias Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:01 AM
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87. Yes, that´s possible, and ...
... may be not even theese exercises really took place.

Why not a short lie for pubicity-reasons?

That also would explain why Power doesn´t say which company ordered the exercises.

What do you think?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:46 PM
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88. I do believe that these excersises took place and that he was keeping
his customer's name confidential, but it's always "good" to drum up more business by being interviewed by not only by the BBC but the CBC too.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:02 AM
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81. Good one Tobias


But what is that mean:

"...a private company in London (as part of a wider project that remains confidential) and that two scenarios..."

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:26 AM
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76. mainstream sources
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