Atta's Passport NOT FOUND at WTC

[ChiDem]

As far as I understand...

I just want to stop this misinformation before it gets re-spread around..

'According to ABC News and the Associated Press, the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami was found a few blocks from the WTC. 1 2 The Guardian was skeptical: "the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI's crackdown on terrorism." 3 Note the passport did not belong to Atta, as is commonly claimed.'

LINK: http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html

Google search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-32,GGLD:en&q=atta%27s+passport+found&spell=1


Please correct me if I am wrong, I only want the truth, thank You

[sweetheart]

1. Isn't there still a 9/11 forum for trivia buffs?

What floor of the WTC1 did the nose cone of the first aircraft first
penetrate? Where did the attacks begin?

Did they begin in afganistan where the US trained the blowback on to
american soil? Did it begin in beiruit from where osama said he
saw the images of towers collapsing in 80's reaganist imperialism?
Did it begin with the torture of Qutb in egyptian prisons by CIA
personelle. Did it begin in logan airport with a stanley knife box
cutter getting through luggage checks.

Does it begin today with our choice to focus on an act of senseless
violence rather than an act of brilliant generosity and love? If we
have free will in life, why do we walk like lemmings down the tracks
of angry bloodlust?

So what is the truth?

The truth is that a crime was committed and 3000 people died on the
anniversary of the 1973 overthrow of a democracy that resulted in
several thousand deaths by american criminality... and an eye for an
eye. But then afganistan and 4000 more deaths... another eye and
iraq .. more deaths and another eye... and all out of a stupid
attempt to ignore free will for the bloodly logic of an eye for an
eye for an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye until the hatred is
so formented that even greater wars are possible. All of the hate is
pre=programmed by mass media... focus on 9/11.. focus on acts of
crime, divisiveness and hate, because we feed off of it in our
armaments industries. The US armaments industrial complex is the
only benefactor and the primary driver behind all of this hate,
along with their 5 pravda-like media outlets.

Yet the truth is that you walk down a dead end road that any solution
will be found in the trivia surrounding a crime of hate. The truth
is now, in spreading good will and winning hearts and minds for a
better life and a better world. And as well, the truth, is that
you become what you think about. And finally, the truth is that
we will all be dead in some years, and all the words on this forum
will be read by cultural historians reverse engineering where it
all went pear shaped. :-)

Welcome to DU... and may you find that missing passport.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Check out

the movie "Loose Change". It's a 9/11 doc and tells about the passport and other stuff.

[whatelseisnew]

4. this detail has resurfaced due to the London bombings

[sweetheart]

6. that were perpetrated by 4 suicide bombers

Likely acting alone in their bradford religious cultism of the futility
of life in a white male's christian society.

THe question resounds in the british media and will for some time.

"Why would 4 of our own children immolate themselves in this way?"

This is not timothy mcveigh the nutter, but 4 persons who were not
the least bit suspect.

And my dog found mohammed atta's passport on the beach the other
day and ate it. Its a bit hard to read, but i've kept the poop in a
plastic baggie just in case i can sell it on Ebay in 20 years. ;-)

The american military brass were convinced that the russians would
try testing nuclear weapons on the dark side of the moon to conceal
them from american observation. They were convinced that secret
silent submarines were in the soviet arsenal purely because they
new nothing about them and had no evidence.

Bottom line, people make up a lotta shit for their own benefit, and
pushing a conspiracy theory about the london attacks does nothing
for DU... especially one with mohammed atta's passport in it.

Mohammed atta's passport had nothing to do with the waco attacks,
and nothing to do with oklahoma city either... but then again, perhaps
david koresh was secretly in contact with that comet suicide web
cult in san diego, and they decided to teleport mohammed atta's
passport through time so that it would arrive on the seat besides
terry mcnickols and tim micveight just before the oklahoma bombings.
That explains why there is fertilizer and diesel fuel on the passport
when it was found in a ryder truck in midtown manhattan, obviously
since the truck was teleported away from teh oklahoma bombings
right before they happened and stayed in a time-hole until 9/11
when it appeared in midtown with the passport. And the CIA did it
with clinton who planned it all with his penis whilst he was fucking
monika lewinsky. ;-)

We need a universal conspiracy theory for all things, clearly. :-)

[ChiDem]

8. It seems some are angry when the truth appears.

[sweetheart]

10. And you chidem and jackriddler are not in the DU activism corps

why not? If you want truth, and you write here that you want the
truth to come out, why don't you put your pen marks in concert with
others here at DU to win back the political high ground?

Rather than discussing conspiracy theories, like we have for years
now on this board... really years, if you have not been here for it,
the archives are full of all that shit, flames and all.... and at the
end of it all, we are no closer to power. As a matter of fact, it
seems that the conspiracy theories are just pathological ways of
awakening to our collective cognitive dissonance. They don't win
us back power, and that is why you don't hear hillary clinton banging
on about it, or john kerry, or al gore, because they all know that
without winning back power, all the conspiracy theories in the
universe are as good as a load of republican speeches.

Please join the DU activism corps and help us make a collaborative
drive towards taking back government in the name of all that is truth.

There is no anger in discussing the cinspiracy theories, but rahter,
this DU writer here is damn sick of the same old shit, when there IS
light at the end of the tunnel, and we could use some help with
doing the right thing proactively.

[JackRiddler]

12. I'm sorry sweetheart.

From my perspective your words are just too full of contradictions for me to understand.

This one is particularly choice:

"They don't win us back power, and that is why you don't hear hillary clinton banging on about it, or john kerry, or al gore, because they all know that without winning back power, all the conspiracy theories in the universe are as good as a load of republican speeches."

Hillary, Kerry and Gore are the ones who want to win back power?

Is this why they all folded when it mattered most? Gore in 2000, Kerry and Hillary both voting for the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq war, Kerry letting them steal it again in 2004, all of them never endorsing the 1 lies of the 9/11 Commission?

That's winning? They have a strategy?

Isn't it conspiratorial of you to blame "conspiracy theory" for the failings of these candidates?

Stop thinking of it as conspiracy theory (your label, not mine) and start thinking of it as a search for truth.

As for the DU activist corps, I have nothing against it but I happen to prefer other methods toward social change and have my hands full with them, so it would not do to commit to something I didn't have the time for. Or do you feel I am obligated to participate?

Like this:

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[sweetheart]

20. A truth comission

It is not my objective or concern to dissuade persons from considering
what truth is regarding historical events.

There is deep and wide corruption in american government that rots in
to every organization of power, from the police to the white house to
the military contractors, and the lot of them will make no effort to
create "truth" but rather these convenient straussian myths.

In such a corrupt state, the only way to bring about truth is what
they've used similarly to recover from a long criminal government in
South Africa. These are like public court hearings where persons testify
in return for immunity and public forgiveness.

We need this for 9/11, as well as the drugs war and so many other
travesties of justice against the people. And this can only be achieved
by winning back power.

In this regard, i defer to the wise conspiracy theorists, and ask
please that they help win back power to achieve their own ends as well.

[KoKo]

13. I understand your anger Sweetheart, but

that was very harsh...it seems to me. There are many here who are involved locally just because of the very "conspiracy theories" you complain about that are down in the 9/11 Forum.

I signed up for the DU Activist Forum and I'm very involved in my state..and believe me if you are waiting for John Kerry, John Edwards or any other of our Dem Candidates to expose that Bush was incompetent on 9/11 and that 9/11 fit right into the PNAC/NeoCon's Plans or that our CIA has been destabilizing governments around the world and creating enemies for decades clandestinely, or that Reagan, Nixon and Poppy were into very deep dirty human rights violations and criminal activities ...then you will be waiting for hell to freeze over. That "stuff isn't shit."

Some folks need to keep hammering home the information that most Americans didn't know about unless they read alot of biographies and worthwhile historical books on the Cold War and After and they need to be aware that our Politicians on BOTH SIDES have committed Crimes that they never fully had to account for and that this administration is the fruition of decades of Coverup. That some of us want to do local activism and move forward doesn't discount those who work on getting THE TRUTH OUT. Some can do both some can only do one or the other.

I understand your frustration that nothing seems to come of all this "online investigating" but believe me...ONE DAY IT WILL ...it all ties together and many of our high profile Dems are as much to blame as willing accomplises and we can work our butts off but until we expose what we are up against we are treading water.

That said...work for voting reform, and local issues that make sense as you seem to be doing...but don't forget it's the whole package that one day (hopefully) will make a difference. At least that's what keeps me going....:shrug:

Peace!

[5X]

5. here, here......n/t

[JackRiddler]

7. Well then

I'm so glad for you. Since you are obviously a person of faith in the Official Conspiracy Theories of 9/11 and much else besides, you can focus on sunshine and pastries, instead of burdening your beautiful mind with the nasty ways in which oligarchies engineer reality for the consumption of the less spiritually enlightened masses. Let the lies continue falling thick as dust from Towers, you can stay focused on the Good Life and all will be well. Hallelujah.

[sweetheart]

9. Its all subject to the historians pen

And history is re-written and re-edited for the benefit of today's
rhetoric, not truth. I read a report that the maximu temperature of
the steel in the WTC fires was found to be 400c... a tad below melting
or strucural bending point.

I'm dead sure that 7 wtc was brought down in deliberate demolition to
enable the resue persons to get to the rest of the site. And even the
possibility of MIHOP or LIHOP is quite sensible indeed.... but now it
is coming on 4 years ago. It is no longer a current affair, but a dry
historial propaganda effort to edit the bible for the masses.

The orthodoxy of the catholic church did this when they composed the
bible, creating a convenient deception from the truth of jesus christ's
life, and relying on that deception to support innumerable wars and
strifes all across history.

and so we are left with historical re-editing. And all that is left of
9/11 is for some serious hard-ass to write the comprehensive history,
and for some equally dedicated other person to write the MIHOP history..

but ultimately, if we don't win back power in washington, all the
true history will be worth nothing, no matter what you call truth,
MIHOP or LIHOP. I merely call the attention to the current manifestation
of truth... the DU activism corps... and winning back our country
from criminals. It is not good life, but pragmatism.

Without political will, the historical truth will never be published,
and the pioneers came upon america, an uninhabited virgin land that
god set aside for the white man to exploit.

[pox americana]

15. Not exactly sure what you're getting at.

But if your point is "don't bother searching for the truth, we'll never find it and it wouldn't do us any good anyway," I think you're wrong.

The "theory" that all three WTC buildings were demolished with explosives rather than destroyed by fires on the upper floors of two of them seems to me incontrovertible, but it took me a while to figure it out, and I never would have if there weren't a lot of other people looking into the matter.

It's important to learn the truth of 9/11 and relying on the governement or media to investigate isn't nearly good enough.

[leesa]

16. Dick Cheney and the rest of PNAC planned and executed it.

[whatelseisnew]

2. I never heard other than atta's passport, and i heard that a lot

kick for more input

[Minstrel Boy]

11. It always bugs me when I hear "Atta's passport."

It probably became known as Atta's because he's the only one of the 19 who became a "name."

[KoKo]

14. It was an easy "catchy" name to pronounce, too!

:D

[leesa]

17. Does this make the White House conspiracy theory any less incredulous?

I don't get the point?

[ChiDem]

18. The point is that...

This mis-information has been spread for years by the people of DU.

This should end today.

I think I speak for all of us when I say.."All we want is the truth"

And spreading mis-information puts us farther away from the truth.

[JackRiddler]

19. I agree

Always bothers me, though it's not strictly misinformation but just one of those fucking stubborn mistakes that once unleashed can never be eradicted.

Either way, the true significance remains: it's the Magic Passport.

[Kevin Fenton]

21. Agree completely

I think this sort of stuff is very important. Some people who are against the OCT tend to "big up" some of the minor facts, the passport is one thing, the circumference and steepness of American 77's dive is another example. While I don't think that this really makes any difference to the most important points, it tends to discredit people pushing for an alternative version of 9/11 and it's important to correct these errors.

You can find a really good summary and debunking of some of the most common errors here:
http://www.911review.com/errors/index.html