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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:40 PM
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Trusting the CIA
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 11:43 PM by spooked911
from Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo:

Yesterday evening, I started making a new timeline of events in the summer of 2003, the time that all this stuff was happening with Rove, Plame, et al. And I came across this short Post piece by Pincus, Dewar and Slevin from June 15th, 2003, that I had either not seen originally or had long forgotten.

Let me reprint it in toto ...

"A key component of President Bush's claim that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program -- its alleged attempt to buy uranium in Niger -- was disputed by a CIA-directed mission to the central African nation in early 2002, according to senior administration officials and a former government official. But the CIA did not pass on the detailed results of its investigation to the White House or other government agencies, the officials said.

The CIA's failure to share what it knew was one of a number of steps in the Bush administration that helped keep the uranium story alive until the eve of the war.

A senior intelligence official said the CIA's action was the result of "extremely sloppy" handling of a central piece of evidence in the administration's case against then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

A senior CIA analyst said the case "is indicative of larger problems" involving the handling of intelligence about Iraq's alleged weapons programs and its links to al Qaeda, which the administration cited as justification for war. "Information not consistent with the administration agenda was discarded and information that was consistent was not seriously scrutinized," the analyst said.

The controversy has expanded with the failure so far of U.S. teams in Iraq to uncover proscribed weapons."


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_07_10.php#006120

So-- taking this out of the context of 9/11 for a moment, let us just talk about the types of things the CIA does.

I think most of us here can agree that at some level intelligence was "cooked" on Iraq's WMD, right?

So who here believes that the explanation for this particular "faulty intelligence" on Iraq's WMD was "the result of "extremely sloppy" handling of a central piece of evidence"???

Isn't it clear that what happened here is that the CIA is doing what it does best-- LYING?

As an aside, what is all this bullshit that seems to be spread in the liberal media about the poor honest CIA being manipulated by the Bush administration to spread faulty information about Iraq's WMD? Isn't it clear that at one level the CIA acts as a propaganda outlet and they will do whatever they are instructed to do by the national security powers in this country? In this case, the national security/geopolitical strategy was to invade Iraq. The Iraq invasion wasn't simply Bush and Cheney's whim-- it was what "the powers that be" in this country wanted, part of the US plan for geopolitical dominance and also for securing important oil reserves.

Of course, the CIA is being set-up as a fall-guy for the "intelligence failures" about Iraq's WMD. This takes the heat off the Bush administration and angers liberals. However, is there really any doubt that the CIA is just as complicit as the Bush administration in the lies about Iraq? The CIA wasn't used. They were a willing partner in this crime. They lied to sell a war.

Therefore, in terms of 9/11-- does anyone here seriously believe the CIA's excuses for their "intelligence failures" regarding 9/11?
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Kevin Fenton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:20 AM
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1. Link
This is one of the best articles I've read dealing with the build-up to war in Iraq from a WMD perspective:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1140549,00.html

It says things like:
"With inquiries under way on both sides of the Atlantic, the failure of western intelligence over Iraq is coming under intense scrutiny. Yes, the spies got it wrong, admits former CIA analyst Kenneth Pollack, but the politicians also moulded the evidence to fit the case for war"

and
"The intelligence community did overestimate the scope and progress of Iraq's WMD programmes, although not to the extent that many people believe. The administration stretched those estimates to make a case not only for going to war but for doing so at once, rather than taking the time to build support for military action."

I don't doubt that the CIA, or sections of it, are in bed with the current administration, but I think "just as complicit" is a bit much.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:08 AM
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2. More cases of CIA "failures" ?
According to UAE officials, Ziad Jarrah, alleged hijacker pilot of UA93, was questioned by the CIA on Jan 30, 2001 in the United Arab Emirates because he had spent 3 weeks in Afghanistan at an al-Qaeda training camp and was a suspected terrorist. This was after he had received flight training in the U.S. But his passport was not revoked and he was allowed entry into the U.S. again. The CIA denies that they enterviewed Jarrah in January 2001. http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight93.html


Why did the CIA fail to notify the FBI and other authorities that Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, 2 of the alleged hijackers who were living in the U.S. in San Diego, were on the CIA terrorist watch list?
FBI inspector general’s report: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jun2005/fbi-j15.shtml
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:12 PM
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4. exactly my point!
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:11 PM
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3. Again, who really thinks that "faulty intelligence" on Iraq's WMD was "the
result of "extremely sloppy" handling of a central piece of evidence"???

Doesn't "extremely sloppy handling" sound just like fudge words?

Also, who really believes that the CIA really "lost track" of several of the 9/11 hijackers after they entered the US, when the CIA was monitoring them outside the US and certainly in some cases knew they got VISAs to enter the US? Does anyone believe this?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:03 PM
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5. face it: Democrats are suckers
The admin wittingly told big lies to get an illegal war with genocidal consequences.

They allowed 9/11 (which was engineered by black ops) and then covered up for it.

The CIA faithfully took the rap for both as "incompetent." Which is its function, after all: to construct cover-ups.

Now suddenly Democrats are all excited by revelations around a minor crime, designed to cut Cheney & Co. down to size and make the CIA look good.

What good is Rove's head when it's all a distraction and perpetuates deadly mythologies?

I want them all, and nothing less will change anything in this country.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:56 PM
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6. Sloppy govt work can lead to dismissal or a reprimand
ask any govt worker..specially the newer ones..i got fired from the Post ofice and I wasnt even sloppy..just broke one rule..govt workers have less protections now since 2000 .

sloppy at that level of govt work needs to be challanged..



"I want them all, and nothing less will change anything in this country'

SIGH!!!

where is joe friday??
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:15 PM
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7. my thoughts exactly
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