I just finished watching Painful Deceptions.

[truth2power]

My apologies if this has been discussed here. I expect it has.

Awhile back I requested a DVD of "Confronting the Evidence: A call to reopen the 911 investigation." At least I think I did. It's been a long time ago. Anyway, it came in the mail today.

I've been MIHOP since practically day one. All I can say is, I was convinced before, but even more so now, that the Boeing 757 didn't crash into the Pentagon. I think, as they theorize on the video, that it was a global hawk drone. And don't ask me where the passengers went. I don't know. I know there's been a lot of ridicule of people who say a commercial aircraft didn't hit the pentagon. Well, whatever.

If anyone has seen Painful Deceptions, I'd sure apppreciate your input.

[philb]

1. Case for 737 better than Global Hawk , imo. but also could have been

757 rigged with bomb(s).

I haven't seen the video; but I think a 737 fits the evidence better than global hawk. I think Desmoulins site description of evidence fits with 737. But also with 757 rigged with bomb(s) that caused the radiation/evidence of DU at the Pentagon.

Dobbs, Mike Marine Corps officer Mike Dobbs was standing on one of the upper levels of the outer ring of the Pentagon looking out the window when he saw an American Airlines 737 twin-engine airliner strike the building. "It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion," he said later Tuesday. "I didn't actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running. They evacuated everybody around us." http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/091201_news_dcscene.shtml

Morin, Terry Terry Morin, a former USMC aviator, Program Manager for SPARTA, Inc was working as a contractor at the BMDO offices at the old Navy Annex. Having just reached the elevator in the 5th Wing of BMDO Federal Office Building (FOB) # 2. He heard "an increasingly loud rumbling" One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB). Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn't be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities. Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110).
Jim Sutherland, a mortgage broker, was driving near the Pentagon at 9:40 a.m. when he saw a 737 airplane 50 feet over Interstate 395 heading in a straight line into the side of the Pentagon. The fireball explosion that followed rocked his car. Drivers began pulling over to the side - some taking pictures - not quite believing what they were seeing.
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/091201_news_dcscene.shtml


But there is consensus among all pilots I've seen on the record, that the planes appear to have been flown by remote control. And the hijackings could not have occurred as described.



But I still haven't seen an explanation for the lack of evidence of engine exhaust effects as a big plane came in very low. See demo video on Pentagon anomolie thread>

[petgoat]

2. Pentagon Theories May Not be Very Productive

Dr. Griffin says that the missile/757 debate is moot because complicity
is shown by the fact that SAM batteries at the Pentagon were not
activated.

John Judge and Nicholas Levis have also referred to these batteries.
I have not been able to determine the source of their information.

[rman]

3. Mike Ruppert on physical evidence

"I chose to avoid discussion of physical evidence issues for two primary reasons; first, physical evidence arguments based upon photographic and other analyses are not directly court admissible without overcoming several hurdles. First, a clear and irrefutable chain of custody backed up by affidavits or sworn testimony is required to even get such evidence admitted at trial.

Secondly such evidence is by definition only presentable in court at a time presentable or identifiable in court or discussable in court by means of expert witness testimony which is often subject to intense courtroom debate and judged only by the amount of money which can be brought to bear to produce experts to either validate or refute it."

- Mike Ruppert, at the 9-11 Citizens' Commission


I'd say the physical evidence is not irrelevant, but there is more compelling evidence out there.

[truth2power]

4. More thoughts on this...

I googled images of 737 v. 757, and to be honest I have a hard time distinguishing between them. probably that I'm not picking up on details.

I'm sorry that no one who has seen the video has posted in this thread so far. We could maybe discuss some specifics. Here's just a few:

First, I've had a whole lifetime to have seen pictures and videos of the results of horrible plane crashes; into buildings, ocean, Everglades, on takeoff, landing etc. etc. And I have never, never, known a plane to crash and just literally disappear. Nothing. No seats, bodies, engines, luggage, aircraft parts etc. I've posted about this issue before and been answered by people with training in physics, talking about velocity, free fall, on and on. Nope. Doesn't work for me. Where's the plane, bodies, etc.?

Photo of the hole in the Pentagon up close. On an upper floor there's a tall, what looks to be wooden, stool on which is placed an open book. Hmm...conflagration vaporized all of the above objects, but stool/book in immediate vicinity intact.

but moving on...photo from expressway looking toward pentagon, along flight path. Maze of light poles, wires, traffic signs etc. Narrator says: (Paraphrase) "Could you navigate through this?" Now I know that when you take a picture using a telephoto lens, objects look really scrunched together, so those poles may not have been as close together as they looked, but it was an obstacle course nevertheless. Yes I know one light pole was reportedly sheared off.

Helicopter news video of area after crash. Line of maybe 75 people, shoulder to shoulder, sweeping the grassy area for small bits of debris. These are not emergency crews. Pentagon employees maybe, or FBI. Question is asked, "Why?" Looking for debris that would clearly not belong to commercial jet and maybe composed of the Carbon fiber type used in Global Hawk drone?

Much more too lengthy to go into here. All the questions raised would have to be answered to my satisfaction without violating Occam's Razor (not convoluted to an absurd degree).

I recommend watching the video.