Loftus: London bombing mastermind an MI6 agent (Fox News)

[Frederik]

Former Justice Dept. prosecutor John Loftus claims alleged London bombing mastermind Haroon Rashid Aswat is a "double agent" who "works for the MI6".

For those who don't know who he is, Loftus is the author of "The Secret War Against the Jews", a (highly recommended) book resulting from his research into American corporations' and intelligence agencies' collusion with the Nazis before, during and after WWII, research which he conducted with an above top secret security clearance which gave him access to hitherto secret intelligence archives. He is now usually billed as a "terrorism expert".

Prosecutors in Seattle wanted to indict Aswat in 1999 for trying to set up a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon, but were ordered not to touch him by the highest level in the Justice Department. According to Loftus, the reason was that Aswat was an agent of British intelligence. He claims that "while British police were trying to catch him, the MI6 were trying to hide him".

Aswat allegedly left London for Pakistan on July 6, one day before the London bombing. He was then arrested in Pakistan, but released within 24 hours. He reportedly travelled to Zimbabwe and then Zambia, where he may have been arrested again (conflicting reports).
(http://www.foxnews.com/ - click on "video" under "Answering questions", then click "Nabbed - finally".)

It would appear that someone's got some splainin' to do. Loftus says the CIA and Israeli intelligence have been critical of the MI6 for giving terrorists a free pass to operate in London, and he claims the reason for doing so has been "appeasement" - we leave you alone, you leave us alone. But many have suspected, long before 9/11, that radical Islamists have been used as a tool for Britain's covert foreign policy, notably in Bosnia in the 90s, when it is alleged that the MI6 clandestinely recruited young radicals in Britain's Pakistani community to fight a guerrilla war against the Serbs.

Former MI5 officer David Shayler has alleged, and French intel sources have corroborated, that the MI6 paid a Libyan al-Qa'ida cell £100,000 in 1995 to assassinate colonel Qaddafi.
(see http://www.guardian.co.uk/shayler/0,2759,339663,00.html for a collection of stories on Shayler)

And then there's this, reported in the Independent in January this year:

The Independent is reporting today that in his testimony before a US military tribunal, Bisher al-Rawi claims that he acted as a "go-between" for MI-5 and Abu Qatada, "the militant Islamic cleric alleged to be al-Qa'ida's "spiritual leader" in Europe." Al-Rawi was seized (kidnapped?) by US intelligence agents in 2002 while on a business trip to Gambia, on the strength of his relationship with Qatada.

Al-Rawi has named three MI5 agents - "Alex", "Matthew" and "Martin" - and asked that they be called as defence witnesses. The tribunal agreed, but "the British Government refused to allow them to give evidence.

(...)

The Independent closes with this:

His claims follow allegations, by Islamist militants as well as French security sources, that Abu Qatada had contacts with British intelligence, which the Palestinian strongly denies. His legal advisers are adamant that he was only questioned as part of routine attempts by MI5 to gather intelligence about Islamist groups in the UK.
(http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/mi5-asset-in-gitmo.html - The Independent link appears to have expired)

Haroom Rashid Aswat, Abu Qatada - which other "al-Qa'ida leaders" are or have been on Her Majesty's payroll, or at least have enjoyed cordial relations with Her security services? Isn't this a question the British media, in particular, ought to be asking? Furthermore, Mr Aswat is not the only "al-Qa'ida member" who appears to have been "untouchable" while in the US - the 19 9/11 hijackers and their associate Zaccharias Moussaoui seem to have been as well. The sabotage by the highest levels in the FBI of Coleen Rowley's desperate attempt to investigate Moussaoui, for instance, is a striking parallel to the "hands-off" order regarding Aswat, and it's far from being the only one.

I'm going to post some more links on Britain's alleged use of Islamic militants as a clandestine instrument of foreign policy later.


Haroom Rashid Aswat

[enough]

1. I wondered where that story was going to lead.

Thanks.

[Fovea]

2. And we called the French bad names...

Looks like MI5 screwed us and mother England pretty damned hard.

But again, why are we surprized here? We should remember the war in Afghanistan caused us to hop into bed with the 'evil doers' as far back as Carter and Reagan.

And as far back as Carter, we knew they were on their own side. The Baathists were the secular government in the region, along with the Soviet client of Afghanistan. Now let's all look carefully at the claim that Reagan defeated communism, and ask at what cost?

[Octafish]

3. Great post, Frederick!

Thanks for the heads-up and the dot-connection.

It appears that no matter who bombs whom, the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise wins:

London plot thickens, as does propaganda

by Larry Chin
July 18, 2005
Online Journal
GlobalResearch.ca

EXCERPT...

Other parallels with 9/11 (and Bali, Madrid, etc.) are too obvious to ignore. Researcher and activist Jeff Strahl notes:

"The media obediently follow the cues provided by the US and British governments, and read the handed-down script regarding the London bombings, even as crucial details are being changed daily; not even a pause in the face of mounting inconsistencies. And this includes the "progressive" media, be it The Nation or Pacifica Radio, eager to prove they are, of course, not supportive of 'terrorists.' Read or listen all you want, you will find virtually no reference to many questions being raised about the official accounts. This is quite similar to how the 9/11 events have been treated. If people don't seriously press the media, the latest propaganda will become 'fact,' as has happened with 9/11, whose crucial details remain unexamined, whose official story remains accepted across the political spectrum.

"Why and how did former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu get a warning to stay away from a place where he was to speak, located above one of the blast sites? How does 'suicide bombers' square with earlier police claims of timing devices? Why did the 'suspects' leave a car full of explosives in a parking lot in Luton, 30 miles from London? (Did they expect someone to find the car and put the explosives to good use?) What about the anti-terrorism exercises scheduled for the same hour in which the bombings took place? How did former head of the Mossad, Efraim Halevi, writing in the Jerusalem Post on July 7, the day of the attacks, know that the bombs went off simultaneously, (when the London police did not say so for days)? And how could he claim they were 'nearly perfect'? Why did the 'suspects' take credit cards along on a suicide mission?

"Authorities now say the explosives used were not military grade after all, but home brews. Seems like they had a tough time explaining how the supposed culprits could get military grade stuff. The Boston Herald reported yesterday that one of the supposed culprits carried not only his own ID, but also documents of one of the others. How did such documents survive the blasts, which should have torn their bodies into small pieces? This is the same as the magic 9/11 passport that appeared in the rubble.

"The supposed mastermind has been arrested in Egypt today, but he denies any connection. Not content with a car full of explosives, he left behind a house full of explosives, for someone to find and put to good use. Shades of 9/11 again, i.e., the car left at an airport parking lot with a Koran and a flight manual for a 767 in Arabic."

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHI20050718&articleId=701

"There are two kinds of people in the world, my friend."

[Karenina]

4. A little link for any history buffs

"Here's how the story began. In the 1920's there was a young Egyptian named al Bana. And al Bana formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood. Al Bana was a devout admirer of Adolph Hitler and wrote to him frequently. So persistent was he in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930's, al Bana and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence.

The Arab Nazis had much in common with the new Nazi doctrines. They hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture. It became the official policy of the Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the fifth Parliament, an army inside Egypt."

<snip>

At the end of World War II, the Muslim Brotherhood was wanted for war crimes. Their German intelligence handlers were captured in Cairo. The whole net was rolled up by the British Secret Service. Then a horrible thing happened.

Instead of prosecuting the Nazis - - the Muslim Brotherhood - - the British government hired them. They brought all the fugitive Nazi war criminals of Arab and Muslim descent into Egypt, and for three years they were trained on a special mission. The British Secret Service wanted to use the fascists of the Muslim Brotherhood to strike down the infant state of Israel in 1948. Only a few people in the Mossad know this, but many of the members of the Arab Armies and terrorist groups that tried to strangle the infant State of Israel were the Arab Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood.

<snip>

What the British did then, they sold the Arab Nazis to the predecessor of what became the CIA. It may sound stupid; it may sound evil, but it did happen. The idea was that we were going to use the Arab Nazis in the Middle East as a counterweight to the Arab communists. Just as the Soviet Union was funding Arab communists, we would fund the Arab Nazis to fight against. And lots of secret classes took place. We kept the Muslim Brotherhood on our payroll..."

http://www.nhbz.org/sermons_detail.asp?sermonID=85

[Peace Patriot]

9. I don't know about this "nhbz" sermon. The repetition of the phrase

"the infant State of Israel" makes me think that it's propaganda. While "Arab Armies and terrorist groups" were trying to "strangle" the "infant State of Israel," what was this innocent, harmless, powerless, little "infant" doing to local Arabs of the Palestinian persuasion?

I hate propaganda, wherever it's coming from.

I've no doubt the skulduggery in the Middle East (oil! oil! oil!) then, and now, is among the worst humankind has ever seen--but I really don't see what it would benefit England to destroy "the infant State of Israel." We were all one back then, with England excruciatingly dependent on the U.S. for postwar aid (and mid-war aid, as well--critical aid!). Is this writer saying that England was anti-American, and actively warring against the major US initiative in the Middle East? I'd have to see more proof than this. ("Only a few members in the Mossad know this..." --uh-huh.)

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As to more fact-based skulduggery, here are two tidbits that have been intriguing me for some time:

When Nicholas Berg was beheaded in Iraq, there were a number of news articles in which FBI were quoted as saying that Berg had been previously interviewed by the FBI in connection with Zacharias Moussoui's computer (the one Coleen Rowley was trying to get access to, just prior to 9/11). They said they interviewed Berg after 9/11 (after the computer had been searched) because they wanted to know why Berg's email password, email account information and email address were in Moussoui's computer. They said that Berg told them that he had met Moussoui entirely by accident, on a bus heading for a class; Moussoui had asked to use his computer, and Berg had agreed. End of story, as far as the FBI was concerned. They believed Berg, or so they said.

Nicholas Berg's email information JUST HAPPENS TO BE in the computer of a major 9/11 suspect?????

Nicholas Berg--whose beheading later becomes a major P.R. campaign by the Bush Cartel and its dittoheads????

Nicholas Berg--who disappears in Iraq for several weeks, and whose parents frantically begin petitioning and suing Donald Rumsfeld, to get him released from US CUSTODY there? --and who is then beheaded by "terrorists" with his death becoming a cause celebre for war and for torture? (--same time-frame as the torture photos from Abu Ghraib become public).

Weird.

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And here's my other tidbit:

July 7, 2003: David Kelly (Brit WMD expert who had been whistleblowing to the BBC on the Brits "sexed up" Iraq WMD intel) interrogated by Brit intel; and Blair is told that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"(--"COULD say," not HAD said).

July 14, 2003: Plame (US WMD expert) outed and disabled. (Novak.)

July 18, 2003: Kelly found dead, under extremely suspicious circumstances; his office and computers searched.

July 22, 2003: The bigger Plame outing, of the entire CIA front company, all projects and agents put at risk and disabled. (Novak.)

Connect THEM dots!

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See these posted comments of mine for some speculations:

(post 8)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x142972

(and posts 113, 128 ad 131, at)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1659507

[Frederik]

13. I believe

much of the British establishment was very displeased with the creation of Israel on what had been British mandate territory. Israel was a bridgehead for the US in the British-dominated Middle East.

The "coincidences" surrounding Nick Berg is enoug to make your head spin.

[seemslikeadream]

19. Nic Berg links

CBS: Bizarre New Link in Berg Murder (Berg and Moussaoui)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=553244
The victim: More than work drew him to Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=551848
Beheaded hostage 'had been warned to leave Iraq'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=549507
FBI Saw Berg Before Beheading
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=550573
Body found on Baghdad overpass identified as that of American
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=547236
Berg worked at night on a Abu Ghraib tower
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=550780
Bush Condemns Execution of Berg in Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=550095
Spokesman Says Berg Never Held by Forces
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=549641
Executioner wore gold ring - forbidden by Islam
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=553663
Bush: Berg's killers must be found
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=557156
Filmmaker Moore Says He Has Berg Footage (an interview with Berg)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=586789
Jayna Davis Dissects Berg-Moussaoui Links
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=565168
Berg beheading: No way, say more medical experts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=571473
BERG MET WITH SHADY IRAQI (Berg's business partner was a Chalabi wannabe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=560487

[stickdog]

25. Pictures of Berg's Iraqi Business Partner -- Aziz al-Taee

The last man to see Nick Berg alive!

Aziz the Freeper:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/61282220/61285955AKXtsx

Aziz with Wolfy (courtesy of the Wayback machine):

http://web.archive.org/web/20031221131414/http://aicc.us/MR+AND+MRS+HAKAK+PAUL+WOLFWITIZ+AND+AZIZ+ALTAEE-150.jpg

[bobbieinok]

17. Berg met M at U of Oklahoma.....when was McVeigh executed???

remember there was some very funny business with Ashcroft meeting with McV and allegations that govt had hidden info from defense

also after (?) McV was found guilty the major scandal that FBI labs were corrupted.....the FBI that had confirmed the evidence vs McV

also McV was found surprisingly quickly...stopped by police on a check and wow, it was 'the suspect'

[petgoat]

24. McVeigh Executed?

With so much unverifiability in the world today in terms of elections
and WTC, and indications of collusion between governments and
terrorists it's occurred to me that lethal injection could easily be
combined with the witness protection program to get gov't murderers off
the hook.

At least the guillotine brings about verifiable execution.

[spooked911]

5. Thanks for this-- this was exactly my suspicion all along-- that the

mastermind would be well connected to British intelligence.

I should point out, Webster Tarpley, in his excellent book "Synthetic terror 911: Made in USA" explains quite a bit how British intelligence coddles Islamic extremists, such that London is derisively called "Londonistan".

[noamnety]

6. Day 1, I knew this

not the specifics, of course, but that it was an inside job in some way.

It's nice to be able to point to Fox News, though, and accuse them of wearing the tinfoil.

[staticstopper]

7. What would be the Brits motive for

all this cloak and dagger? They run a tight ship already, they have all of London under cameras, right? From all the stuff with the IRA?

Could someone clue me into what their foreign policy is...i'm getting real confused here, trying to keep up with all these conflicting agendas flying every which way.

To be out in front of the game? Setting the ground rules? What?

[Frederik]

12. Asia Times: Remaking Central Asia

This is what it's about. At least partly.

"Most major media outlets have spelled out with a profusion of details the "exact" events that led to the death of what some claim to have been hundreds of people in the eastern Uzbekistan town of Andijan on May 13. Led by British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, the world media condemned much-maligned Uzbekistan President Islam Karimov for yet another bloody and ruthless suppression of "public dissent". Yet, all the details so far provided do not explain who the real players were or their end objectives.

It is certain, however, that the puzzle cannot be solved unless the London factor is understood. The answers lie in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Liverpool. The old British colonial establishment, with former intelligence officer Bernard Lewis as its mentor, appears to have set in motion a series of events that will bring endless bloodshed to Central Asia. London's objective would appear to be to keep both China and Russia under an open-ended threat. At this point, there is no one who can better serve this "Lewis Doctrine" than Muslims nurtured in Britain - the Hizbut-Tehrir (HT)."

"Footsoldiers of foreign powers
Apart from various Islamic preachers, two major Islamic groups function in the Ferghana Valley, whose common objective is to change the regimes in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan. These are the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) and the HT. While the IMU openly thrives on violence, the HT is strongly promoted by the United Kingdom, where it is headquartered, as peaceful. But records indicate that that the IMU and the HT work hand-in-hand. Most of the IMU recruits are from the HT, according to Rohan Gunaratna, an expert on world terrorist outfits. Gunaratna claims that Khaled Sheikh Muhammad, the alleged mastermind of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in the US, and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian of Chechen origin who has remained active in the Iraqi insurgency against the US occupying forces, were both once members of the HT."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/GE27Ag01.html

[Peace Patriot]

14. staticstopper, it might just be survival of the cloak and dagger

establishment and all the war profiteering they are hooked to. Things are getting a bit hot other there, with regard to the lies the Blairites told about Iraq, as they are here--with indictments pending on the false intel story that could blow the "neocon" cabal all to hell, and even the Bush Cartel itself.

Time for a little roughing up of the population. The London bombings were just a bit too politically convenient--what with the Downing Street Memo and all.

I think there may be a connection between the Iraq war lies and something else really bad the Blairites did--beyond their lying. Did you know that Brit WMD expert David Kelly's highly suspicious death occurred right in the middle of the Plame outings? 7/7/03: Blair informed that whistleblower Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things." 7/14/03: first Plame outing. 7/18/03: Kelly found dead, his office and computers searched. 7/22/03: second Plame outing, of the entire CIA front company, putting all WMD projects and agents at great risk. I think there's some connection--maybe Kelly stumbled upon, or helped foil, a plot to plant nukes in Iraq in summer' 03 for what would have been great political gain, and Plame and Brewster Jennings were involved somehow, or could have found out about it. (That's my guess.)

The British people are pissed off enough already about Iraq. Many are blaming the London bombings ON Iraq. If they found out something more--a UK/Bush Cartel conspiracy not just to lie but to PLANT evidence in Iraq, or to kill someone to cover it up, and/or to INSTIGATE terror, it might well destroy the war profiteers' cash flow, bust up the UK/Bush Cartel brotherhood, and bring both governments down, to be replaced by peaceniks.

These kinds of ill motives--lying, war profiteering, coverups--GENERATE "cloak and dagger" operations. There is one whopping big fat lot of cash to be made--in guns, oil and "reconstruction." And I think we--the citizen victims of this criminal gang--do well to be suspicious of every word they say, and every event that feeds that monster.

[moodforaday]

8. kick (n/t)

[Peace Patriot]

10. I think this innocent Brazilian electrician whom they shot seven times,

point blank to the back of the head, needs looking into.

Thought he had a bomb, did they? So they let him leave his apt. building, and board a bus; they observe him on the bus with plainclothes cops, as he chats with his neighbors; they follow him off the bus, do something to frighten him--plainclothes cops after him with guns--and get him to...aha!...run into the tube, full of people, all this time he's wearing a bomb supposedly, chase him down, subdue him and demolish the back of his head with seven bullets.

Some think it was a racist lynching--some cop made the comment that he was the right "color"--though he didn't match any photos they had. The other possibility is that it was an execution, using the London bombings as excuse/cover--or even part of covering up what really went down with the London bombings. Out in the open like that, with witnesses? Maybe yes; maybe no. Nervous new "swat team" cops; bad training (by Israeli security!); racism--could all be cover. But if he was such a dangerous character, why not have him slit his wrist out in the countryside, and slowly bleed to death all night, as they did with David Kelly? Or strangle him and throw him in the Thames? Too many GOOD cops in London who might find out? Possible.

It sure stinks to high heaven--that incident.

Note: There is absolutely NO evidence that the Brazilian was anything but a completely innocent young man who happened to be the wrong shade of brown, and living in the wrong apt. building. But it's worth looking into--given the complete hogwash that the police story has turned out to be--and I hope some folks over there are doing that.

[spooked911]

21. I agree-- the thing stinks

[Frederik]

11. A small correction

Prosecutors in Seattle were trying to bring criminal charges against Aswat in 2002, not in 1999. It was the training camp that was allegedly set up in 1999. In other words, it was the Ashcroft Justice Department that blocked their efforts ("That's a hell of a good question", one of them answered when asked "Why?"). Just as it blocked investigations of several Arabs taking flying lessons, and put a gag order on Sibel Edmonds. The Justice Dept was very busy obstructing justice in 2001-02.

[bobbieinok]

15. what would be Britain's foreign policy goal?? I don't get it

[Frederik]

23. Read the

Asia Times article linked to in post 12, I found it very illuminating. For both the US and the UK, it's still in large part about Russia, and also China. Russia is the only potentially hostile country with a serious nuclear force de frappe. The "Wolfowitz doctrine" written by Wolfowitz and a collegue for Cheney in 1992, makes it clear that Russia should still be considered America's main adversary because "it's the only country that can blow us up". Access to natural resources such as oil is also important, of course, but it's a zero-sum game where the other main players are Russia and China. The scramble for control of the Eurasian continent and its natural resources began in late 2001.

Britain is a medium-sized power today, but they never really let go of their global ambitions. British author Mark Curtis has written extensively about the UK's secret foreign policy and he argues persuasively that Britain is more influential than most people, especially most Brits, are aware of, and that they don't necessarily use this influence to make the world a better place. They are obviously junior partner in the US-UK alliance, but Blair is not just "Bush's poodle".

Through the Echelon cooperation, Britain automatically gets all electronic intelligence (sigint) that the National Security Agency (NSA) collects, in real time. In addition, the British have a very extensive human intelligence network all over the world, from their Empire days, which is said to feed them information about what's going on down to the village level in the Middle East.

[LibertyorDeath]

16. Loftus

"John Loftus, is a former U.S. Department of Justice Nazi War Crimes prosecutor, the President of the Florida Holocaust Museum and the highly respected author of numerous books on the CIA-Nazi connection including The Belarus Secret and The Secret War Against the Jews, both of which have extensive material on the Bush-Rockefeller-Nazi connection."

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html

As a former Justice Department prosecutor, John Loftus once held some of the highest security clearances in the world, with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword, and Top Secret Nuclear files. As a private attorney, he works without charge to help hundreds of intelligence agents obtain lawful permission to declassify and publish the hidden secrets of our times. He is the author of four history books, three of which have been made into films, two were international best sellers, and one was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize.

http://www.john-loftus.com/

[LibertyorDeath]

18. From Dayside with Linda Vester, July 29 2005

"LOFTUS: Well, apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence. Now Aswat's boss, the one-armed Captain Hook, he gets indicted two years later. So the guy above him and below him get indicted, but not Aswat. Now there's a split of opinion within US intelligence. Some people say that the British intelligence fibbed to us. They told us that Aswat was dead, and that's why the New York group dropped the case. That's not what most of the Justice Department thinks. They think that it was just again covering up for this very publicly affiliated guy with Al-Muhajiroun. He was a British intelligence plant. So all of a sudden he disappears. He's in South Africa. We think he's dead; we don't know he's down there. Last month the South African Secret Service come across the guy. He's alive."

From Dayside with Linda Vester, July 29 2005

[dbeach]

20. soul mates

rashid is bliars
and osama is bushs SOUL MATE

That perfect partner that compliments your personality and covers your rear in a jam..

the 4 of em deserve each other FOREVER!!

How coincidental that these 2 villains show up when the noodle poodle boys need some propping up..?

OSS = pre CIA
OS wald
OS ama
Al qaeda = All CIA Duh!

[rman]

22. Remember BCCI;

where intelligence agencies, governments, terrorists and other criminals from all over the world crossed paths.

And according to Indira Singh they are still at it, with the Carlyle Group playing a major role.

What i'm saying is that "at that level, they work together" as Indira puts it (pertaining to upper echelon CIA and FBI).