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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 03:01 PM
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If You Are Weighing the Possibility That 9/11 Was False Flag...
You are not alone.

Jessie over at TVNewslies.org published a pretty alarming blog post today.

If you are not considering False Flag theories... nothing to see here, move along.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 03:21 PM
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1. Woah...


he goes to suuuuch lenghts in describing the narrow thinking mindset, when this expression "lack of true interest" sums it all. But he has some points.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 03:35 PM
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2. Entertaining, for sure...
what's his track record as far as being right? Can anyone show anything that shows he is something more than just another blogger with an opinion?
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Jester_11218 Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:01 AM
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7. It's my blog.
Read the entire piece. I say clearly that it is pure speculation.

It is however based on a great deal of validated information.

The point of the piece is to make people aware of the people beind the scenes and their known and unknown motives.

Read my other enteries or anything on the main site. Then you will be able to evaluate my observations.

Peace,
Jesse - Editor, TvNewsLIES.org

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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 03:39 PM
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3. Naive...
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 03:41 PM by StrafingMoose
" If Republicans lose control of Congress there is a chance that impeachment proceedings will take place. The grounds for impeachment of the President and Vice President have been clearly established - and include the high crimes of lying to Congress, and manipulating intelligence information for political gain.

What does all this mean? Let’s consider the most recent rumors that involve the indictment of people in high places. Such an event will mean the end of the PNAC dream. This is why they have to work fast, before any such indictments are issued or before too much truth gets out."

If he acknowledges the fact that PNAC is intertwined of non-elected corporative and political power, why would an impeachement end the PNAC's reign? Rumsfeld et al are just gonna jump ships into the NSC, CFR, etc. and back into their CEO jobs of course with less political power but as much as corporative power. The rotten apples will still be in the portait.


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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:43 PM
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4. Similar Article At FTW
Stan Goff recently wrote a wonderful article indicating what the domestic implications are of another 9/11 type attack. It is only available for subscribers at this point, but here is a summary.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070805_global_battlefield_summary.shtml
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:10 PM
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5. Hi, Bushwick Bill. Welcome to DU.
:hi:
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:23 PM
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6. Thanks, un.
:toast: to you.
Big-time MIHOP-er up in here. :banghead:
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 06:47 PM
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13. Sorry, but what's a
MIHOP-er?
:shrug:
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:21 PM
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14. re: MIHOP
That the government or factions within the government "made it happen on purpose"
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:25 AM
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10. A blogger has the article posted...
For those who want to read it:

...We Are Standing On it.

Article posted at 'bgtruth' blog, original article from Michael Ruppert's 'From the Wilderness' -- well worth the read, scroll down to July 8, 2005 post.

The Evolution of the Bush-Rumsfeld War Doctrine

Roadmap to Martial Law

London Attacks From Another Perspective

by Stan Goff

snip

The Bush administration spends money. Just as money can trade rain forests for Coke, money can buy expertise. But military expertise isn't what has gotten them this far. On the contrary, they have already secured their places in history as the leaders of the most powerful military in the world that is heading to being defeated by a stateless insurgency.

snip

While the new constituent assembly remains engaged in a monumental struggle behind the scenes over three key issues - the form of "federalism," the fate of Kirkuk, and the disposition of Iraq's oil industry - the factions are backed by armed militias. The Kurds command the largest militia, and the second largest armed organization in Iraq, the 80,000 strong Peshmerga. The Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution (SCIRI), which dominates the constituent assembly, has fielded thousands of former Badr Brigade members, who also predominate in many of the "official" Iraqi armed forces and police. The Iranian-controlled Da'wa Party has organized a militia as counterweight to these two large ones. Muqtada al Sadr still controls a very substantial militia that operates almost as a government in many parts of Baghdad and Najaf. And the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance (IPA) - the dominant and most well-organized element within the guerrilla resistance - operates in many areas throughout Anbar with strong popular support. Islamist fighters, largely from Saudi Arabia, have infiltrated Iraq and engaged in multiple actions, including firefights with the IPA.

The territorial division of these armed elements has minimized conflict between them to some extent, but the question of regional or ethnic federalism is far from resolved, and many of these armed actors are leaning forward in anticipation of politics by other means. Kirkuk has become a tinderbox of contention meanwhile, with the widening Kurd-Arab current of conflict creating a kind of political quicksand for the constituent assembly.

snip

In the early 1980s, President Ronald Reagan - the first of two second-rate actors to have been Governor of California - ordered a military intervention and occupation in Lebanon. Within weeks, some of his own closest advisors, including Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, were telling him that this was a situation ripe for disaster, and that the US forces needed to be withdrawn as soon as possible. Reagan responded more positively, however, to someone whose grasp of global politics was as limited as his own, and whose worldview was heavily informed by a kind of Billy Badass, big-dick machismo - former Secretary of State and then-National Security Advisor Alexander Haig. Haig counseled Reagan that US "credibility" involved "sticking to its guns," and Reagan - himself a veteran of several cinematic Westerns - determined to "stay the course."

continued at link
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Jester_11218 Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 10:07 AM
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8. Not theories
FYI,

False flag operations are not theories. False flag operations have taken place for quite some time.

The 9/11 related false flag assertions are just theories at the moment but there is an enormous amount of information that supports these theories.

Motive, for one thing, is clearly established. The "new Pearl Harbor" declaration by PNAC indicates clear motive.

Means has been established as well. All the right people in the right places. Especially when it came to interfering with the prevention of the events.

I suggest everyone start paying attention to what the research community has uncovered. Start by reading David Ray Griffin's 9/11 Report, Omissions & Distortions. (You can get it at my site if you want to help support us).

Just my thoughts.
Peace all.
Jesse


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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:12 AM
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9. I saw they dragged out Zawahiri yesterday warning of a new attack
much worse than 9/11.

Wonderful, huh? The propaganda machine kicks into gear.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:26 AM
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11. Sorry, but what's "False Flag"?
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 04:08 PM
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12. False Flag
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of another country other than your own. This was considered acceptable provided one lowered the false flag and raised the national flag before engaging in battle. Auxiliary cruisers operated in such a fashion in both World Wars. In the most notable example, the German Kormoran raider surprised and sank the Australian light cruiser HMAS Sydney in 1941, causing the greatest loss of life on an Australian ship ever.

Another example of a false flag operation was the 1954 Lavon Affair, when Egyptian Jews recruited by Mossad firebombed a post office building and United States Information Services libraries at consulates in Cairo and Alexandria in an attempt to discredit the Egyptian government and disrupt British plans to withdraw from the Suez Canal. When one of the bombs exploded prematurely, the Egyptian police captured one of the bombers and soon afterwards the rest of the agents. The Israeli Defense Minister Pinchas Lavon was eventually forced to resign.

In the civilian world, similar operations are being employed in some less-ethical public relations campaigns.
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