Does any one remember seeing a clip shot from a helicopter of the

[spooked911]

WTC collapse? It was from an Israeli news helicopter, supposedly. The braodcaster was speaking in hebrew and then cursed in english as the tower fell. I know I saw this video once but can't seem to find it now.

Also, does anyone have any idea of how many helicopters were in the air while the WTC towers were burning?

[Kevin Fenton]

1. NYPD

The NIST reports mentions an NYPD helicopter that predicted the North Tower would collapse a few minutes after ten.

[funflower]

2. Why did whoever was in this NYPD helicopter think it would collapse?

Supposedly.

[spooked911]

3. I suppose because the south tower had already collapsed.

But if the copter predicted the south tower collapse, that would really get my suspicions going.

[funflower]

4. Oh, yeah. Duh! Forgot the south tower went first.

:dunce:

[janedoe]

6. Did the NIST report say why it was there?

What was the purpose of having an NYPD chopper hovering directly over each WTC? I don't think they were picking up passengers from the roof, were they? Was this supposed to guard the WTC from "another" attack? I fail to understand what the justification could be, especially if they predicted WTC1 would "collapse."

Hmmm... reminds me of those folks who heard Mt. St. Helens was about to blow, so they flew down into the swelling crater to be sure to get a good view.

What did the 9-11 ommission report say about it? And, why did the NIST report mention it?

Thanks.

[StrafingMoose]

8. From the OCT...

"By 9:00, a third NYPD helicopter was responding to the WTC complex. NYPD helicopters and ESU officers remained on the scene throughout the morning, prepared to commence rescue operations on the roof if conditions improved. Both FDNY and NYPD protocols called for FDNY personnel to be placed in NYPD helicopters in the event of an attempted rooftop rescue at a high-rise fire. No FDNY personnel were placed in NYPD helicopters on September 11.<66>"

"66. For the third helicopter, see NYPD records,"Aviation Unit Flight Data Sheets," Sept. 11, 2001. For the helicopters' subsequent actions and protocol, see NYPD interview 12,Aviation (Mar. 10, 2004); NYPD interview 14, Aviation (Mar. 11, 2004); NYPD interview 13, Aviation (Mar. 10, 2004); NYPD interview 16, Aviation (Apr. 1, 2004); NYPD interview 15, ESU (Mar. 11, 2004)."

"The 911 operators and FDNY dispatchers were not advised that rooftop rescues were not being undertaken. They thus were not able to communicate this fact to callers, some of whom spoke of attempting to climb to the roof.67 "

[philb]

11. WTC roof exits were bolted shut on 9/11

But if I had been there, I would have been looking for something to
break the locks. Since they could have been saved if they got to the roof.

But its also too bad they didn't know that all they had to do to get out was to go down the stairs. Some from above the floor hit got out by going down the stairs, in spite of the smoke. Going through it. Most could have had someone bothered to tell them. Apparently there wasn't any good communication going on, since some of the people in the towere were calling but weren't told to go down the stairs. Even though some had gotten out that way.

Also, it seems that the NYPD could have cut the locks to the roof exits keeping those in the towers inside.

But, I guess they never suspected the buildings might collapse or explode.

[janedoe]

13. It's as though the planners of the event needed deaths.

It's as though the planners of the event really needed numerous deaths.

Why were folks told "everything is fine" and to stay at their desks?
(Those who made it out had chosen to ignore these instructions.)

Why were many of the stairwell exits locked?

I would like to know whose heads rolled from this. Did a fire inspector "OK" such a plan to have fire exits locked during an emergency? Surely that's something on the checklist! What a coincidence that both buildings would have failed a simple safety check! After all, who was in control of building security? (I think we know.)

One guy, coming down the stairs from above the impact zone, said that the stairs he was using stopped, after he got past the damaged zone. So, they needed to exit that stairwell, to go over to another set of stairs. But, the door was locked. He said he ended up going back up, floor by floor, until he found an open door that allowed him to crossover. (Perhaps that was a stroke of luck. Maybe folks on that floor had opened the door, planning to use that stairwell for an exit.)

Such stories exist for both buildings. i.e. It was possible for folks to descend along some route, even if the route had to be found by trial and error. But, it was chaotic.

How did emergency folks know that the roof escapes were locked, and didn't even try to find people? At the time, I remember a news report saying that "there would have been too many people to rescue, so it was too dangerous to try." I think I heard an analogy being made to the titanic (made by a news guy), where too many people rushing a lifeboat would have killed everyone... and that's why they didn't try to rescue people on the roof. I wondered where that information came from.

That whole stairwell thing seems fishy. Perhaps if everyone was able to exit the building, and no one died, it would not have produced the "anger" needed to wage war.

[pox americana]

15. I think you're right.

There's a point where you have to say, stupidity alone cannot explain this. The roof exits: why on earth would they be locked, knowing the threat of terrorism and that there were roof rescues in the 1993 bombing? How many thousands of people have died in structure fires because of locked exits?

Also, the WTC elevators were being retrofitted with "door locks" making it impossible to open the doors from inside in the event that a car stopped short of a floor, and difficult to open them from the outside, guaranteeing that nearly everybody stuck inside an elevator on 9/11 died in it.

[janedoe]

16. So, what heads have rolled?

...or have all those in charge of these decisions been promoted? Again, the PATRIOT ACT doesn't cure incompetence.

According to the 911 commission, wasn't the cause of 911 shown to be incompetence?
(I believe they used the word "failure" instead of "incompetence.")

[pox americana]

17. Let's see, there was George Tenet, who repeatedly warned the WH

about an al Qaeda plot, so he had to go. Powell didn't want to play ball in Iraq so he got the bum's rush along with his son. Joe Wilson wasn't a team player so they fixed him too.

Meanwhile, Condi got a nice promotion for failing to "imagine" what her boss was up to.

[MrSammo1]

18. Marvin Bush?

Does anyone know where he is now?

It might be a good thing to located him, seeing that our government is going to run more terrorist simulations this month?

Finding him might warn people where not to be when the next neocon terrorist attack happens?

[spooked911]

5. Found it here:

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/911%20-%20wtc%20-%20images%20from%20helicopter%20-%20new%20release.asf

Unfortunately, this file only gives gobbledy gook on my mac. I think have to find a PC to play this on.

The video is on this page:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HvuVSS4W_aEJ:plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%2520archive/+helicopter+9/11+wtc&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(scroll down)

[philb]

7. CBS News Helicopter- sees secondary explosions; also Bell Helicopter

was there before the planes hit- see videos


CBS News Channel Eyewitness in Helicopter Describes 'Secondary Explosions' in the WTC1 and WTC2 before collapse

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042704secondaryexplosions.htm

[philb]

9. This article said there was bell helicopter & necessary "ill wind"

to hide the helicopter:

FACT: From http://www.hankbrandli.com/

Hank Brandli, former meteorologist at Hickam Air Force Base in Hawaii, says, "with military operations, weather intelligence is always your first priority." On the 9/11 plot he says, "I think they had a weather guy on their team to help set it up."

"They spent months, maybe years, planning this thing," he says. "But it had to come down to a last-second call, because there was a hurricane coming up the coast and a cold front moving out."

"Think about it: September is the worst month in the world to be planning anything in the air on the East Coast, because you're at the height of hurricane season. In fact, climatologically speaking, Sept. 3 is the worst day of the entire year to plan a flight. And yet, you had this day where the weather was perfect, from Maine all the way down to Washington. You can't plan that far out and hope you get lucky."

FACT: From http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/okx/climate/data/cpk0109.txt

(0 or 360 is North; 310 is NW)
The NW wind days from June 1st to Nov.1,2001 were 6/16, 8/13, 9/11, 10/8, 10/17.

FACT: From http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/weaforc.html

Five-day forecasts are now roughly as accurate as 3-day forecasts made a decade ago. For the period 3 to 5 days: Large-scale circulation events such as major storms and cold waves usually can be anticipated 3 to 5 days in advance.

CONCLUSION

The clear day with a NW wind was forecast on September 6th, 2001. CLEAR for remote control visual flying; A NW WIND to play 'HIDE THE HELICOPTER' , the remote control station for the South Tower airliner.

The September 6th weather forecast set a chain of events in motion, the most horrific crime in American History.

BOOKER SCHOOL

http://www.sarasota.k12.fl.us/emma/9.11.01/essay.long.html

Is President Bush really coming to Emma E. Booker Elementary School???

For several days due to security reasons, "mum" was the word regarding President Bush's visit. It was so hard to keep it a secret. Then, finally ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH, it was "OK" to tell everyone. Immediately our front office was surrounded by Secret Service and White House aides.

http://www.sarasota.k12.fl.us/emma/9.11.01/essay.williams.html

On August 28,2001 we got the news that Emma Booker had finished the preliminary offerings for the Presidential visit. We knew that we were on the list for a visit, and the final selection would be in a week. WE WERE INFORMED THAT WE WOULD NOT KNOW THE EXACT DAY BECAUSE OF SECURITY REASONS. We were advised to "keep the news close to home."

http://www.sarasota.k12.fl.us/emma/9.11.01/thoughtsindex.html

Teachers, students, etc. give their accounts of the fateful day.

Sibel Edmonds gets the last word:
"President Bush said they had no specific information about 11 September and that is accurate but only because he said 11 September," she said. There was, however, general information about the use of airplanes and that an attack was just months away.

Jim Hogue - crackerjack interview of Sibel Edmonds here
http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

[philb]

10. Article claims the helicopter was there related to remote control:

How does one copy a picture of the helicopter to post it here?

How do people post the pictures? Does it take special equipment?


THE PLOT

First, the first airliner made a smudge pot of the North Tower; second, the NW wind blow the smoke plume across the South Tower, third, within minutes a Bell 212 Helicopter used the smoke plume to enter WTC airspace unnoticed to ground observers BUT NOT THE CAMERAS.





Fourth, the helicopter has arrived on time. There was a window of 17 minutes between crashes so the helicopter started its trip to the WTC before the North Tower was hit.







Fifth, this photo shows the airliner on its approach to the South Tower. Note the NW wind smoke plume.






Another photo of the helicopter in position to sight the uncoming airliner to pick up remote control guidance. The helicopter placed itself over the South Tower so it could steer the airliner at itself but then dive it into the tower below.





Sixth, at the time of impact the helicopter seen to the left of the TV mast clearly visible to the camera as its propwash blows its cover.






Bell 212 Helicopter information here: http://www.aoc.noaa.gov/aircraft_bell.htm With air time of only 2-3 hours depending on its load TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE for the helicopter. Time spent in WTC airspace was about 1 hour.





Seventh, NBC showed the South Tower helicopter killing time. WHY?

[janedoe]

12. Posting pictures

I'm no expert with picture posting. Someone else here told me they used photobucket, so I went there and followed directions.

Make an account name and password (free) and put your pictures there.

http://photobucket.com/

After you upload a picture, find it, then copy the text in the URL box below the picture. Paste that text in the post you are making, and the picture should appear.

[Make7]

14. Regarding posting pictures

How do I post an image?

There is no special code to post images. All you have to do is type the URL of the image, like so:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/image.jpg

If you are using Internet Explorer on a Windows computer, you can find the URL of an image by right-clicking on that image, and then selecting "Properties." Look for where it says "Address (URL)."

How do I link to an image without having it embedded directly in my message?

To post a link to an image without having the image embedded directly in your message, just add a question mark at the end and type a few letters, like so:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/image.jpg?click

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/faq.html#image

That is the procedure for pictures already on the web somewhere. If you want to post your own pictures, you'll have to put them on a website first. You can use photobucket.com, as suggested by janedoe, or one of the many other free image hosting sites on the web. Just do a google search for free image hosting.

-Make7