The strange strange strange eyewitnesses of de Menezes' death

[John Doe II]

An analysis here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4495389

[vincent_vega_lives]

1. So what's the point you are making by breaking this down?

Your conclusion doesn't conclude anything.

So, to conclude:
What we do have are either eyewitnesses (especially Mark Whitby) who not only got every detail completely wrong but whose accounts correspond exactly with the official storyline of the police after the shooting.
Then we have a witness that somehow not mentions the crucial detail that he must have witnessed.
Then we have a curious absence of eyewitnesses that actually saw the victim besides Mark Whitby (who describe a clearly different person than de Menezes).
And we have many accounts of people who should have seen more as they were in the carriage yet whose accounts lack any important detail.

[John Doe II]

3. I really would love to believe

that Whitby and the others weren't planted witnesses. Yet, I fail to find any other possible explanation for what was going on.
Maybe you could help me?
Any example in history where a witness not only got every detail basically completely wrong but got it exactly as wrong as the police?

[philb]

2. I agree there is something very strange

Was there no follow up to the strange statements?

[John Doe II]

4. I know it's hard to believe

but Whitby's explanation is even stranger than his first account:

But Mr Whitby says that man - who may have vaulted a ticket barrier - is likely to have been an undercover cop trailing Mr de Menezes.
(...)

"I think the guy I saw being bundled out of the way might have been a surveillance officer who was following him."

Mr Whitby, 47, described what he saw: "There was a mass of bodies and I saw a gun being lowered and I heard the shots.

"Mr de Menezes must have been ahead of the officers. The guy in the thick coat can't have been him."
http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200south...


Seriously: Whitb y was in the carriage:
How can you mistake a person that was shot?
Whitby creates the impression he is talking about the scene where de Menezes was said to have jumped the barrier. But Whitby was in the carriage. He didn't see this above mentioned scene.

His sentence "Mr de Menezes must have been ahead of the officers."
makes simply no sense at all.

[Last Lemming]

5. Has anybody explored

the witnesses background? Where they work--etc?